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Reset Project
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The Alabama Power Rankings: Image=protier
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*Cam*
Smash Lord
No, give Ben Twisted Fate. He would like that champion.
If we don't have a Garen, we need a Garen.
If both states agree to merge then we'll get stronger as a whole. The current active GA players on our PR are all willing to travel and have been traveling to AL so i could see this easily happening. GA is planning to attend most if not all the ASL tournaments so a merged PR wouldnt be hard to create in the future.
This is what the merged PR would look like now. This was discussed between Reflex, kismet2, Elev8, and I. This isnt 100% final yet
1. TheReflexWonder (
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2. kismet2 (, )
3. DRN (,)
4. Billy ()
5. Micaelis ()
6. Player-1 ()
7. Ragnarok ()
8. Saint ()
9. Elev8 (, 
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10. shaSLAM()/Hero? (, )
This is what the merged PR would look like now. This was discussed between Reflex, kismet2, Elev8, and I. This isnt 100% final yet
1. TheReflexWonder (
, )2. kismet2 (
, )3. DRN (
,)4. Billy (
)5. Micaelis (
)6. Player-1 (
)7. Ragnarok (
)8. Saint (
)9. Elev8 (
, , )10. shaSLAM(
)/Hero? (, )
I SEE YOU
Smash Ace
I like this idea for the same reason i like ASL. We are opening up our community to anyone willing to show support to AL's smash scene. We allowed Pensacola the opportunity to be apart of our scene, because they do not have an active scene. GA's is suffering from the predicament. They are struggling to have a consistent venue. They are trying to start something up with GamerXperience, but they are still struggling to have consistent turnouts. If they are able to show up to our tournaments, then i have no problem putting them on. ASL gives them a place to play & helps out their players who have problems going to tournaments due to $. I'm all for thisIf both states agree to merge then we'll get stronger as a whole. The current active GA players on our PR are all willing to travel and have been traveling to AL so i could see this easily happening. GA is planning to attend most if not all the ASL tournaments so a merged PR wouldnt be hard to create in the future.
This is what the merged PR would look like now. This was discussed between Reflex, kismet2, Elev8, and I. This isnt 100% final yet
1. TheReflexWonder (
2. kismet2 (
3. DRN (
4. Billy (
5. Player-1 (
6. Micaelis (
7. Ragnarok (
8. Saint (
9. Elev8 (
10. shaSLAM(
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
We could keep the states separate and create a general "Southeast" PR to achieve the same effect; if we keep annexing regions, that is what the Alabama PR will eventually look like anyway. Regarding the ASL, it is going to keep a ranking of everyone who attends the tournaments regardless of what state they're in, so we'll have an ASL "PR" as well.
I just dont see a point in separating states anymore. GA is planning to attend most if not all of AL's upcoming tourneys and a merge will create a much stronger PR. We've(GA/AL) been seen pretty much as a joke for quite a while and maybe i'm the only one tired of it :/
Its true ASL will have its own ranking system for its tourneys but it wouldnt be a true GA/AL PR. It only counts tourneys in the ASL which means any encounters between players outside of these tourneys along with how a player does outside the series will not be taken into account
I <3 AL and i'd love to see it come together and create a stronger community
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
Those are all very valid points; I'll cast my vote as being for the merge. I'm surprised this idea wasn't brought up a good while ago when GA had a much larger scene than AL (AL gets merged into GA's PR, that is).
Are there any other nearby regions who we might want to talk to about joining this PR, like TN or something?
I've never seen a TN player try to make an attempt to come to either of our tourneys. We could add SC but there are only 2 players there that go to tourneys (Esam/huggles). In the future if they attend our tourneys then they can join us. We can still keep the title GA/AL though since its only 2 players much like how you have some NFL but are still AL.
Saki-
Reset Project
Of course I'm for a merge. :x
allshort17
Smash Ace
I don't see any reason anyone would be against a merge.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Honestly, I'm ambivalent about the merge. I feel like we are compacting our smash scene by saying that GA and AL alone don't have enough good players for separate top 10 lists. I think it also makes it tough for up-and-coming players to achieve any sort of recognition for their hard work. For example, Ingulit practiced and studied until he could finally beat a few of the top 10 and make it onto the Alabama list himself. I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to do the same thing under a merged list, but it is very difficult.
On the flip side, I think we do create a stronger list of players when we put them together, and we create some sense of unity between GA and AL.
Whatever we decide here, I want to re-emphasize the difference between ASL's rankings and a PR. The ASL Rankings will include everyone who is a member. Our rankings could go as far down as #68 or something like that, depending on how many people join. It will also use a points-based system and not a panel. This means that after every tournament, people can check the website and see their placement go up or down in the overall list, depending on how they did.
On the flip side, I think we do create a stronger list of players when we put them together, and we create some sense of unity between GA and AL.
Whatever we decide here, I want to re-emphasize the difference between ASL's rankings and a PR. The ASL Rankings will include everyone who is a member. Our rankings could go as far down as #68 or something like that, depending on how many people join. It will also use a points-based system and not a panel. This means that after every tournament, people can check the website and see their placement go up or down in the overall list, depending on how they did.
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
I want the merge so that when I get on that it'll be even better 8)
But I agree about up-and-coming players. That's why I suggested a Southeast PR and leaving the state PRs.
But I agree about up-and-coming players. That's why I suggested a Southeast PR and leaving the state PRs.
I feel that the PR's primary purpose is to give an accurate representation of the players that one should fear when they go to this area's tournaments, and given how often that Kismet, Micaelis, and DRN have been going to our tournaments, I think that including them would do a better job of showing that.
Also, the PR is not a means of telling someone that they put a lot of hard work into learning the game. Otherwise, we'd just have a bunch of honorable mentions over something really arbitrary. We don't give prizes at tournaments for the person who worked the hardest for a similar reason. It's the people who do well in our tournaments who should be recognized.
That's a great way to look at it. The extra competition will make one feel even better about being on the list, because they know they had to that much better at tournaments to get there.
As far as other areas go, we don't have enough players coming from Tennessee, Louisiana, South Carolina, or Florida for it to make sense to add them. It's a representation of our community, and that really doesn't include the Florida people that only come to our tournaments when we have huge guaranteed pot bonuses.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Of course rankings should be based on tournament placement, not time and effort. However, the idea is to have some sort of recognition for players who are improving and starting to place better in tournaments. The list that DRN posted will remain rather static in my opinion, and I don't see it likely at all that more than one or two new people will make it onto it.
Personally, I don't like the idea of putting recognition farther and farther out of the reach of up-and-coming players. A reachable PR can be a motivating force; an unreachable PR may have the opposite effect.
You can always say "Get better, stupid," but that's easier said than done. You may not realize this being at the top, but many players are actively trying to get good enough to earn their spot in that inner ring of great smashers. Just telling them to "get better" doesn't tell them anything they don't already know and can be very irritating to hear.
Personally, I don't like the idea of putting recognition farther and farther out of the reach of up-and-coming players. A reachable PR can be a motivating force; an unreachable PR may have the opposite effect.
You can always say "Get better, stupid," but that's easier said than done. You may not realize this being at the top, but many players are actively trying to get good enough to earn their spot in that inner ring of great smashers. Just telling them to "get better" doesn't tell them anything they don't already know and can be very irritating to hear.
I'm actually of the opposite thought and i feel that this list will change after this season. I could easily see players such as yourself/George/Dyno/ect make it on the list. People will recognize other players increasing in skills on the separate ASL rankings as well. Like you said the ranking system keeps track of everyone. It is true though that not every player will be recognized for their achievements every tourney(although i promise to hi-five everyone who does good ;D)
I feel this PR is pretty reachable compared to some other PRs such as NY/NJ and SoCal lol. The increase of skill on the PR will also force players off the list to increase their own skills to try to make it on if that is their goal.
Merging the communities will also help all those trying to improve. Its true it can be hard to get better but if you really want to improve then you can always ask for help. It is one of the ways to get better faster and with the 2 communities together we can help each other more then ever before.
@Flea- Yea if we merge then we'll be similar to MD/VA and NJ/NY
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Well, that's not exactly correct.
There's no reason we can't have this PR that takes into account more than just ASL tournaments.
You're forcing yourself to compare players that you will never have a fair comparison of. Mobile only ever sees 4-5 players from Georgia if that. They're Kismet, BigLou, and Micaelis. Aside from them, I've Melee players and about four one hit wonders. You then have to make decisions of how much a victory is worth by a player you've never seen beating a player who you'll never play in comparison to you beating a player that they'll never play.
The two scenes are not as tightly woven as would be necessary to have it work successfully.
Every other argument is opinionated on what I think helps a PR.
I've been to AL plenty of times and i'm planning to attend all 5 ASL tourneys along with Micaelis, Player-1, kismet, and BigLou. Dyno and Hero also plan to attend as many as they can. Atm GA really only has like 5-7 active players and maybe like 10-15 others who show up randomly. We will be able to create an accurate merged PR if people from AL actually make an attempt to go to their own tourneys and play us. The PR we created was all based on results
Merge Tally
For-15
GA(9)-DRN, kismet2, Hero?, Player-1, Scatz, allshort, Flea, Dynomite, BigLou
AL(6)-TheReflexWonder, Elev8, Billy, Kola, shaSLAM, Saint,
Against-2
AL(2)-Ryker, ragnarock
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
I'll go against to be a devil's advocate 8)
Seriously though, I'm worried about the fact that while you guys come to AL tournaments, we don't necessarily go to GA tournaments.
Seriously though, I'm worried about the fact that while you guys come to AL tournaments, we don't necessarily go to GA tournaments.
U really dont need to go to GA tourneys unless you want to. Our last couple tourneys only had 7-8 ppl and one with like 14. Micaelis is trying to jump start our community which is great but I dont think it will ever be consistently large. As long as we go to AL tourneys and you guys go to al tourneys then rankings can remain accurate.
GA tourneys will help us with some clashes between players close in skill such as micaelis/p-1/me/billy. It will also help in more results between kismet/reflex/biglou in the future.
Don't get me wrong though u should come to GA if possible to help support both communities but AL has never gone to GA often with the exception of Reflex, Billy, raf, and George. We also will always host medium sized tourneys once in a while such as bulldog brawl, the salt series, and bbc
GA tourneys will help us with some clashes between players close in skill such as micaelis/p-1/me/billy. It will also help in more results between kismet/reflex/biglou in the future.
Don't get me wrong though u should come to GA if possible to help support both communities but AL has never gone to GA often with the exception of Reflex, Billy, raf, and George. We also will always host medium sized tourneys once in a while such as bulldog brawl, the salt series, and bbc
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
Well, if we don't go to GA often, it's hard to compare a large portion of AL players to the GA players who go to 2 times more tournaments in the GA/AL "region." I don't think that's totally fair.
I'm against the merge now upon reflection of the fact that I know several people who don't/can't travel to GA.
I'm against the merge now upon reflection of the fact that I know several people who don't/can't travel to GA.
Why wouldn't we be able to compare GA and AL players based off of tourneys they go together at in AL? What ur saying is silly because its similar to if a group of your players went oos and played each other.... Not like all ur players always go to the same number of tourneys. Besides billy/reflex/raf have always gone to both states and uve been able to compare them
Vote count is shocking and I haven't read the entire discussion. I'll give you a better response when I'm not talking to people about ASL.
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
We annexed Pensacola because they literally can go nowhere else to go to tournaments. Georgia has its own scene. The fact that you guys can travel to AL does not translate AT ALL to the idea that we all can travel to GA. I think we should remain separate because GA can fix its own scene rather than simply falling on AL now that ours is picking up. Like I said earlier, we didn't ask to merge with GA's PR last year when our scene was almost dead and Georgia's was flourishing.
Umm i just said you dont really have to go to our tourneys because we would be able to create an accurate PR based off of the AL tourneys results. Second of all Reflex is the one who actually brought up the idea of merging with us to make us stronger. Do u not want a stronger community?
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
If you're going to strawman, I suppose I can too. If you are basing the PR off of only AL tournaments, then the GA scene is just going to die entirely and GA is going to completely rely on AL to provide it tournaments? That's certainly going to alienate Georgia players who can't make it to AL tournaments often like Zatch, and will severely impact new players who cannot travel out of state who want to get into the game. Do u not want new players?
Reflex lives on the border between AL and GA. To him, they could very well be the same state. He can travel to both state tournaments very easily. However, while he is basically the competitive scene of Alabama, we have a huge amount of other players who do not live that close to GA. Also, the fact that Reflex did not talk to anyone else about seriously doing this before approaching GA should be noted.
I never said we wouldnt host our own tourneys. I just said that we could easily make a PR based off of the AL tourneys alone if we wanted. GA tourneys will indeed help decide between reflex/kismet/biglou though. I did not really strawman i was just answering a question i already answered and bolded it for u to help u out some ;D. There was also nothing to really respond to in your statement. You told us to fix out scene but thats harder said then done.
K so u used reflex as an example but what about Billy? He travels to GA quite frequently while going to auburn. How about NC? They went to GA tourneys often during waba days. How far r u?
Even though reflex didnt talk to AL it seems that atm only 2 players have a problem with it.
kismet2
Smash Ace
al goes to ga tournaments and vice versa this seems that some are making it alot more complicated than it seems
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
Well, the people for the merger have the clear majority, so it looks like it'll happen regardless of differing opinion.
As an aside, other two-state rankings have significantly more people than we would, even if we used both states and they used one, such as MD/VA and NJ/NY.
Micaelis
Smash Journeyman
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I don't particularly care about a merge. I'm just going to show up to every single tournament somehow and do what I do. But AL should try to come to GA tourneys more. Most of the AL tourneys are spread out and SOMEONE drives and you just add like +2-3 more hours driving to GA and voila, you have same ride situation. I do it for you guys but I understand you guys have complications and money issues. Nothing a little effort/planning/saving can't fix but maybe that's just me. For the record I'm extremely poor, I just save/plan well to do what I love and that's hanging out with you guys <3
Btw, sorry but I'm bringing my MK back in full. Have fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0
Make me your radio, turn me up when you feel low, this melody was meant for you, just sing along to my stereo~
I don't particularly care about a merge. I'm just going to show up to every single tournament somehow and do what I do. But AL should try to come to GA tourneys more. Most of the AL tourneys are spread out and SOMEONE drives and you just add like +2-3 more hours driving to GA and voila, you have same ride situation. I do it for you guys
but I understand you guys have complications and money issues. Nothing a little effort/planning/saving can't fix but maybe that's just me. For the record I'm extremely poor, I just save/plan well to do what I love and that's hanging out with you guys <3Btw, sorry but I'm bringing my MK back in full. Have fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0
TheSaintKai
Smash Ace
For the merger.
Creates a more competitive top ten.
Drunk as ****.
Ing with the logic. <3 I saw that calling out of strawman.
Creates a more competitive top ten.
Drunk as ****.
Ing with the logic. <3 I saw that calling out of strawman.
More competitive PR can only be a good thing.
People don't go to tournaments to get on a PR. They go to have fun, learn about the game, and to win. Holding people to a higher standard isn't going to discourage people from going to tournaments, because nobody goes to tournaments just to get recognition from a subjective list of good players. People would rather be recognized among their peers, who are other tournament-goers, for improving.
It makes people want to improve, but is anyone really going to tournaments just to say that they're continually getting 9th place at 20-to-30-man tournaments?
People don't go to tournaments to get on a PR. They go to have fun, learn about the game, and to win. Holding people to a higher standard isn't going to discourage people from going to tournaments, because nobody goes to tournaments just to get recognition from a subjective list of good players. People would rather be recognized among their peers, who are other tournament-goers, for improving.
It makes people want to improve, but is anyone really going to tournaments just to say that they're continually getting 9th place at 20-to-30-man tournaments?
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
The case I'm trying to make is that if GA simply says "Okay, our scene is dead, we'll just go to AL instead" (which is what some of this discussion sounds like), that could alienate new players in GA who can't go out of state. I'd rather see both scenes doing well instead of everyone relying on AL.
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