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STARFURRY 3! Results are up! Thanks to all who came out.

Grmo

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how would the tournament not finish, the only way this wouldn't finish is if people don't play their matches. If organization is okay, then we'll have time to do everything. Also, if there's no brawl, you're losing melee players from montreal cuz then only 1 car will go to this.
:( That's the thing. People won't be able to play all their matches because there probably won't be enough TVs. My biggest concern is that I don't know how many people are coming.

Also, I'm surprised to see some people are still hellbent on saying that brawl sucks. Not much going on in your lives, huh... Then you wonder why brawl people don't post and only show up at tournaments.
Well, no. I'm sorry if I said anything like that, but I don't think Brawl sucks and you're probably misunderstanding something. Again, this is all about the tournament and not about the game.

This kind of hostile attitude that a couple people have given me is like asking me to drop it.
 

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i would hope that having more brawl people posting wouldn't have caused a degeneration into brawl vs. melee yet again. it very well could have, but i'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt that it wouldn't have. there really do seem to be less and less people who hate brawl that much =P

so it usually helps to look at things from both sides. grmo - people didn't say they were coming, not enough setups confirmed, expected failure in some form in regards to brawl...brawl community - might not have known it was this important to post, especially since the cap on entrants was made more recently.

i would suggest giving brawl players more time to post if this weren't happening next weekend.
 

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Grmo, I also wasn't saying that you are bashing brawl, I know you are not. I am stating that people may not have posted here to show you they are attending because of what I mentioned in my last post. But the thing is, tournaments have been done before, on a large scale. there were set-ups, those people should be brining them again right?

Brawl players, spread the word to others. Grmo, give us some time please.
 

`Jammin' Jobus

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Alright, from what I can tell, we'll have max 8 Brawl setups, which is obviously going to be nowhere near enough. As a TO here, I'm seriously concerned by the lack of interest from the Brawl community, and I know that it's going to drag the tournament down. By the looks of it, everyone who's traveling from far away is coming to play Melee. If there are people who have already spent a lot of money getting a bus or train ticket or something, then I'll keep Brawl on for this. If not, I'm dropping it, and while I'm aware that it'll lose us a lot of attendees, I'm not too inclined to care, since the community for that game has been all but unresponsive to this. Not to discredit those who have been trying to make this work, but there are only a few of you, and that's not enough.

So, I need to ask: how many people would be willing to drop Brawl in favor of Melee crews/low tier, for a game that people are supporting this for and is far more guaranteed to run smoothly? I apologize for not expecting this, since I didn't realize that Brawl was dying (I've been out of the scene for a while), but unless people can convince me otherwise, I'm going to remove Brawl from the schedule so that other people who are traveling very far to play Melee (a good number of Americans and Quebecers, for example) can actually enjoy this event. So, please let me know. That means Melee players too. Everyone I've talked to so far agrees with this, so you've got until the end of the day to convince me otherwise.

At the very least, Brawl Teams is being dropped.

:urg:

EDIT: For those of you who didn't want to read that: Brawl events are probably going to be cancelled. If you want to know why, then read this post.
please keep brawl. My potential ride to this tourney is a brawl player.
 

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solution for this is bring as much **** as you can.

TVS
MELEE SETUPS
BRAWL SETUPS
EXTENTION CORDS


AND ALSO

PLAY YOUR MOTHA****IN' MATCHES.


Rules for this tourney should apply strongly.

like not starting your game in *inserts minute* mean you forfeit or something, so **** runs smooth.
 

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:( That's the thing. People won't be able to play all their matches because there probably won't be enough TVs. My biggest concern is that I don't know how many people are coming.


Well, no. I'm sorry if I said anything like that, but I don't think Brawl sucks and you're probably misunderstanding something. Again, this is all about the tournament and not about the game.

This kind of hostile attitude that a couple people have given me is like asking me to drop it.
Lol, I wasn't aiming at you at ALL when I said that, and I sure wasn't being hostile, I'm the opposite of flamers, I'd rather give thought out input then just post random ****. I mean just look at the sigs that shows that google result saying ssbb sucks. =/ what's the point? Also, don't worry about brawl, we usually bring enough tvs. I do agree that people should post if they are bringing tvs (thx niko). That being said, both events can be held independently, and we can control who's playin on what tv for both tournaments. If one tournament ends before the other, we can have melee matches on brawl tvs, and vice versa.

edit: also what sotsy stos said.
 

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kk so. ive realized that andy wont be tehre, so chances are il only be driving chris and steve i guess. so if anyone lives inbetween my house and sauga, that isn;t brinigns a tv because of space in their car, i can PROBABLY pick it up on my way there.
 

Grmo

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Also, I think there maybe more brawl players than melee imo.
You could be right.
We're bringing 4 tvs in our car alone......
Alright, I feel pretty bad keeping the possibility up...I feel like I'm teasing people, so I'll just give a definite right now: all Brawl events will be dropped. I will ask nothing further from you, except that you don't show up demanding a Brawl tournament.

If you really want to know, I posted Brawl because I wanted to get things rolling, to find out if I can run it. As it turns out, there are a large number of people coming that I don't know about. Coming to a tournament without notifying the TO(s) is simply unacceptable. I've already had to cap off the signups, so, upon hearing that there are even more coming, what did you think I would say?

Blame me if you want, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me personally, as I was doing it for you, the Brawl community, in the first place. I think Brawl is a good game, and I think the community has good people in it. Why else would I have done that? You only failed to let me know one, very simple thing: are you coming? As it turns out, I have no idea anymore. Take all your frustration out on me...it would be the expectable thing to do. I'll accept it...but don't expect me to change my mind. Running a tournament that I wasn't given the chance to properly prepare for in advance (I mean, with more people than I can handle), is simply beyond the ability of any of us.

Finally, Chester said you probably weren't posting because you felt uncomfortable with the Brawl bashing. That's reasonable, but anyone who's bashing the game just needs to be ignored. Just stand up for the game that you're fighting for right now...it can solve a lot of problems, and hopefully nothing like this happens to you again.
 

Grmo

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Lol, I wasn't aiming at you at ALL when I said that, and I sure wasn't being hostile, I'm the opposite of flamers, I'd rather give thought out input then just post random ****. I mean just look at the sigs that shows that google result saying ssbb sucks. =/ what's the point? Also, don't worry about brawl, we usually bring enough tvs. I do agree that people should post if they are bringing tvs (thx niko). That being said, both events can be held independently, and we can control who's playin on what tv for both tournaments. If one tournament ends before the other, we can have melee matches on brawl tvs, and vice versa.

edit: also what sotsy stos said.
misunderstandings ftl. Alright, that was stupid on my part. I'm sorry. Anyway, there are other issues besides the support, which I explained in my last post.
 

.Marik

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Brawl should run smoothly if we brought more setups, which we just said we'd do...
 

Stos

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before **** gets out of hand.

sit back, relax and smoke something.

although im a bit sad.
 

Grmo

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Brawl should run smoothly if we brought more setups, which we just said we'd do...
Read my post, please. I already explained everything, aka. ? number of people. Safety is also an issue with the venue; it's not a huge place. It's a big place, but not for this scale. So, if you want me to say it like this, then I need to choose one, and I'm choosing the one that's letting me know everything.

Look, to everyone: I'm not happy about this either. I'm not asking you to forgive me or anything, but because of constraints places upon me, I can't host for you like I said I would. I'd like to say I'll make it up to you, but because of inevitable trust issues, I can't. The only thing I'd have going for me is that people enjoyed my last Brawl tournament, but whatever.

EDIT: Tell me if you want to be taken off the attendee list. You're under no obligation, but it would help things and it will mean I won't bother you about it.
 

.Marik

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God**** it, there goes my first Tournament happening next week...

=(

Allright, I saw your post. ^
 

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Grmo you owe a HUGE apology to the brawl community.

SPECIFICALLY - the Montreal car and the Chatham car

ON MORE LEVELS - everyone who took the day off work to come to this. Also, everyone who made plans to come to this.

You've clearly ignored SEVERAL reassuring posts that ensure that the events will BOTH finish on time by other TO's, experienced brawl players, experienced melee players, etc.

Take me off the attendees list.
 

Gichan

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Gi and TheDud off the list please...I'm really disappointed, Grmo the last tourney you hosted was my first tourney, it was also an awesome tourney. I can say a **** load of things but you are a TO and if you think this is necessary then go ahead. Just saying, a lot of people were planning to come, people had to mkae plans to come to this. Hopefuly you'll have us for a future tourney.
 

Grmo

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Grmo you owe a HUGE apology to the brawl community.

SPECIFICALLY - the Montreal car and the Chatham car

ON MORE LEVELS - everyone who took the day off work to come to this. Also, everyone who made plans to come to this.

You've clearly ignored SEVERAL reassuring posts that ensure that the events will BOTH finish on time by other TO's, experienced brawl players, experienced melee players, etc.

Take me off the attendees list.
I've apologized several times already. Like I said so many times, I didn't want to do this. Would you rather have just come and had it be a huge failure? I saved you a lot of money and time by telling you not to come. I'm experienced in the world of tournaments, and I know what would have happened. Quite frankly, I think it's rather arrogant to demand an apology like that, considering much of the Brawl community thought they could just show up, and because I already apologized several times. That just tells me you didn't take the time to read my posts thoroughly, which is disappointing in itself.

Anyway, you're right. To the Montreal car and Chatham car, I'm very sorry.

Gi and TheDud off the list please...I'm really disappointed, Grmo the last tourney you hosted was my first tourney, it was also an awesome tourney. I can say a **** load of things but you are a TO and if you think this is necessary then go ahead. Just saying, a lot of people were planning to come, people had to mkae plans to come to this. Hopefuly you'll have us for a future tourney.
I don't think the Brawl community will want me to. Sorry, but I'm not part of it and I shouldn't try to get in on it for that reason. It was irresponsible of me to assume I could do Brawl when I know nothing about you guys, or about the game.
 

`Jammin' Jobus

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how much harder is it to organize a brawl tourney than a melee tourney?

brawl just takes longer. the tourney format is the same.
 

Desh

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Ok seriously lol,
brawlers ****ed up to be completely blunt.
GG not communicating well with the TO.
Not to be harsh but dont be angry or pouty with him, its all in your hands.
On the sign up list right now,
60 of them are melee attendees, 40 are brawlers(or something like that, i was just talking w/grmo about it.)

The point is that we lack brawl support in this thread, and more importantly communication.
Theres a sign up list for a reason, if you want to run a smooth tournament it takes communication from the attendees and the TO, and the TO has been trying to communicate.

100 people cap'd on the attendee list, (including brawlers)
now think about the other half of the brawlers who HAVENT POST TO SAY THEYRE COMING.(im getting half by mike7 saying there were 80 at the last tourny, and 40 on grmos list )
its gonna be SUPER crowded because you guys didnt bother communicating, thats IF brawl is/was to be held.

/rant.
 

Grmo

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how much harder is it to organize a brawl tourney than a melee tourney?

brawl just takes longer. the tourney format is the same.
Didn't you read anything? It's because the Brawl community didn't post, so I didn't know how many people were coming. There's a limit to how many people can be in the building, and I was sure that it would be exceeded and that it would run overtime due to lack of support (I mean, even if people say there will be setups, they haven't told me who or what or how many). So, it got dropped.
 

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I just want to post one more thing that just came across my mind. When I attended Combo Breaker I found out about it from elsewhere (some site called shoryuken (?)) and I got the address form there and attended. When I got there I found out it was also many other people's first tourney. Many of us did not have a smash account, such as my friend that came with me, KingAce, Bug, and a bunch of others who didn't even bother with having a smash account later.

what i'm trying to point out is, why such a big deal about extra people coming now when it clearly wasn't a problem that day.


EDIT: I just read about the cap attendance in the building, but please Grmo, why was it not a problem last year? there were a **** load of people that day as well.
 

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GI has a good point,
people are going to hear about it other lpaces
but people should really make sure the TO knows whos coming.
combo breaker wasnt nearly as big as this is =s
 

Grmo

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I just want to post one more thing that just came across my mind. When I attended Combo Breaker I found out about it from elsewhere (some site called shoryuken (?)) and I got the address form there and attended. When I got there I found out it was also many other people's first tourney. Many of us did not have a smash account, such as my friend that came with me, KingAce, Bug, and a bunch of others who didn't even bother with having a smash account later.

what i'm trying to point out is, why such a big deal about extra people coming now when it clearly wasn't a problem that day.


EDIT: I just read about the cap attendance in the building, but please Grmo, why was it not a problem last year? there were a **** load of people that day as well.
There were between 90 and 100 people that day. This time, there would have been possibly 50 more that day. Last year, it wasn't a problem because the attendee list was so much smaller...I mean, I didn't have to cap it off. I think it got up to 60 or 70, that's it, so I knew we could handle the extras that would inevitably come.

Also uh, I didn't know Combo Breaker was listed on Shoryuken...lolmindgames. Anyway, that's is basically.
 

worldjem7

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how much harder is it to organize a brawl tourney than a melee tourney?

brawl just takes longer. the tourney format is the same.

That's not what he's saying at all.

He's talking about things like Brawl's Metagame, PR, and extra rules (like stage striking).

It's much harder to run a tournament of a game you know nothing about and which you have no part of than to run a tournament of a game that you've played yourself, gotten better at it, met people and got a good sense of who's good, who's great, and who's not so great.

With that said, Brawl would have taken EVEN LONGER to play out on top of the lack of setups because he'd need extra help from Brawl players he doesn't know, which is part of a trust factor, so he'll be making many uninformed decisions simply because he just doesn't know the game well enough.

Edit: people post too fast lol
 

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Ok seriously lol,
brawlers ****ed up to be completely blunt.
GG not communicating well with the TO.
Not to be harsh but dont be angry or pouty with him, its all in your hands.
On the sign up list right now,
60 of them are melee attendees, 40 are brawlers(or something like that, i was just talking w/grmo about it.)

The point is that we lack brawl support in this thread, and more importantly communication.
Theres a sign up list for a reason, if you want to run a smooth tournament it takes communication from the attendees and the TO, and the TO has been trying to communicate.

100 people cap'd on the attendee list, (including brawlers)
now think about the other half of the brawlers who HAVENT POST TO SAY THEYRE COMING.(im getting half by mike7 saying there were 80 at the last tourny, and 40 on grmos list )
its gonna be SUPER crowded because you guys didnt bother communicating, thats IF brawl is/was to be held.

/rant.




Chris u need to find a way there nto cuz i highly doubt im going to go.






Anyways. Yes i think its a mistake canceling brawl. i think there could have been a compromise instead of a cancelation, but nothing will change the outcome. Its just a big disapointment.
 

WIGI

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i play alot of melee. but i was atending the tournie to compete in brawl.

yeah i was going to play a CRAPload of melee with as many people as i could, but realistically im not good enough to even make it out of pools.

spending money on that just isn't worth it =[
 

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It just doesnt make sense

5ive is bringing two tv's
I'm bringing one, lawlb0t is, max is, raidos is (Im bringing 4 extension cords and recording too....)
Ambrose is bringing a tv
wigi is bringing a tv


.....But your cancellng brawl?
 

worldjem7

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It just doesnt make sense

5ive is bringing two tv's
I'm bringing one, lawlb0t is, max is, raidos is (Im bringing 4 extension cords and recording too....)
Ambrose is bringing a tv
wigi is bringing a tv


.....But your cancellng brawl?
When did they post?
 
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