Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[cothero]

As an American, 9/11 is literally only a big deal in America.

They released Super Mario Maker on 9/11 in the past, I wouldn't expect a Japanese company like Nintendo to really care about a date like that.

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

 

[Idon]

Unique is subjective and varies from person to person.

To an extent.

If you were to list out every trait and move Greninja had compared to Squirtle, with the topic being "Is this different, yes or no?" You'll find the overwhelming majority to be "yes."

I find it rather alarming that you'd let your tastes dictate how you see entirely different things as similar just so that you'd have another excuse to dislike a character.

Come on, even Sesame Street understood uniqueness:

 

[Zinith]

Every character has some frames of start-up and cooldown to shielding though (more accurately, some minimum shielding frames and some cooldown since you actually begin blocking from f1) so Yoshi having different numbers (assuming they're even still different in Ultimate) shouldn't be mechanically relevant to powershielding mechanics in Ultimate which don't seem to depend on these properties at all.

On another note, you suggested they should fix some of Yoshi's options, but other than Egg Roll which is "the move you do by mistake and then you die" and has no obvious path to improvement other than being removed from the game, which of Yoshi's options are you unhappy with? One of the upsides of Yoshi is that almost all of his moves are somehow useful, and while I suppose Yoshi Bomb is really not a great move either, it has its niches to snap down to ledges if nothing else and is the kind of move I definitely see the dev team as very unlikely to make too good since it's a massive scrub killer (weaker players get hit by this sort of move all the time).

It's not necessarily THAT Yoshi's shield has startup and cooldown, it's WHAT the animation is. Yoshi has to form the egg and then jump out of it, whereas the other characters merely have to block and unblock. That animation was even prominently shown in his character trailer (you know, the one where it looks like he's doing jumping jacks similar to his down taunt). That special animation resulted in Yoshi having one of the worst shield games in the series EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I'm thinking that the animation for Yoshi perfect shielding will be different than the others and will result in either more or less invincibility frames (although the stun to the opponent will remain the same).

As for options I ain't happy about? Yoshi can't shield platform drop. Also, the way he dodges and rolls is horrendous, and I'm hoping the new staling to dodges doesn't punish him as much as the others due to him being in the egg (airdodging is different though). You say you hate Egg Roll, but I say just give it armor and more power and I can see it becoming useful in some situations.

 

[LetterO]

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

Ultimate comes out the day Pearl Harbour was bombed.

 

[Shroob]

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

Except they've released games on that same date.

9/11 happened nearly 20 years ago. This happened mere hours ago.


Kind of a big difference.

 

[Honest Slug]

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

They're a Japanese company so they're going to respond to a Japanese disaster differently.

 

[Opossum]

Yes hello I've come for the Wah.

 

[WaxPython]

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

No offence but Nintendo isn't an American company it's a stretch to call them insensitive for releasing a direct which another country may not be happy with. If it bothers you watch it at a later date rest of us would rather not have it delayed for the sake of it being delayed.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Not to fear monger but this is something that I’ve kept my eye on for a long time.

The Tokai Earthquake

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-tokai-earthquake-of-20xx-1440533

It’s a speculative mega earthquake that occurs once every 100 or so years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tōkai_earthquakes

This area includes all of the major urban centers of Japan including Tokyo, Osaka, Kobe, Nagoya, and Kyoto. In the past, it occurred in 1498, 1605, 1707, and 1854. These earthquakes measured between a 7 or an 8. In comparison, this Hokkaido earthquake was a high 6. Osaka back in July was a 5. Kumamoto in 2016 was a double with a 6 and then a 7 the next day. The Tohoku Earthquake in 2011 was a 9 and the strongest ever in Japan. And the Kobe earthquake in 1995 was also a high 6. Japan goes by Shindo scale which measures an earthquake based on how much things shake on the surface rather than the energy released within the earth as used by Mw scale.

In some cases, things like fires, landslides, and tsunamis cause more damage and death than the actual earthquake. That’s one reason why Japan really focuses on earthquake prevention technology and minimazling damage as much as possible. Especially since the Olympics are just around the corner. Previous Tokai Earthquakes caused tons of damage and 20,000+ deaths. But that was like in the 16-1700’s which obviously didn’t have today’s earthquake protection technology.

A lot of resources have been poured into earthquake prediction (though black magic has been ruled out) and how it minimalizd damage. Still, no one is sure when or if it will strike within the near future. But it’s something people watch out for and earthquakes such like this tends to rattle the Doomsday cage.

Sorry to continue the earthquake discussion but seeing as how the Smash community has focused on it; I thought I would contribute some info to the topic outside of what happened in Hokkaido.

 

[Deoxys911]

Perhaps the "wah" they're referring to is not of the Waluigi variety, but rather the bitter cries of tearful despair suffered by those who accidentily expose themselves to leaks.

Or expose themselves to this thread in general.

 

[WolfCypher]

Question: Are there any characters you guys hope and push for sooooo badly, yet when they make it in you don't, or were never going to play with them? You just wanted them in the game?

I really wanted K. Rool since Brawl...I'm happy he's in, finally, but I don't play heavy characters casually or competitively. Does anyone disagree with this mindset?

For me, I just want characters I love represented on the roster. Some I play (Pit), some I want but probably wont (Dixie Kong).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

What's with that title change

 

[Shroob]

Question: Are there any characters you guys hope and push for sooooo badly, yet when they make it in you don't, or were never going to play with them? You just wanted them in the game?

I really wanted K. Rool since Brawl...I'm happy he's in, finally, but I don't play heavy characters casually or competitively. Does anyone disagree with this mindset?

For me, I just want characters I love represented on the roster. Some I play (Pit), some I want but probably wont (Dixie Kong).

Isaac.

I've never played a Golden Sun game, but I see the merit of getting him in. It means that Golden Sun could get a new installment ala Kid Icarus, and I'd be happy for the Golden Sun fans.

 

[Starbound]

I'm here for the wah.

Where is the wah?

 

[Zinith]

Question: Are there any characters you guys hope and push for sooooo badly, yet when they make it in you don't, or were never going to play with them? You just wanted them in the game?

I really wanted K. Rool since Brawl...I'm happy he's in, finally, but I don't play heavy characters casually or competitively. Does anyone disagree with this mindset?

For me, I just want characters I love represented on the roster. Some I play (Pit), some I want but probably wont (Dixie Kong).

Do you mean "not as a main?" Because I want Boshi, but I'll still only main Yoshi.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

Question: Are there any characters you guys hope and push for sooooo badly, yet when they make it in you don't, or were never going to play with them? You just wanted them in the game?

I really wanted K. Rool since Brawl...I'm happy he's in, finally, but I don't play heavy characters casually or competitively. Does anyone disagree with this mindset?

For me, I just want characters I love represented on the roster. Some I play (Pit), some I want but probably wont (Dixie Kong).

Rayman is my most wanted character since Brawl but he'd probably be a secondary for me, since I'm maining Bowser, Ridley and K. Rool.

 

[Cyn]

Or expose themselves to this thread in general.

Or maybe I am fond of double entendres.

 

[Shroob]

So, what's the latest that we can call the PotD not coming at all?

 

[cothero]

No offence but Nintendo isn't an American company it's a stretch to call them insensitive for releasing a direct which another country may not be happy with. If it bothers you watch it at a later date rest of us would rather not have it delayed for the sake of it being delayed.

It doesn't bother me one bit, i'm not american.

 

[WaxPython]

Not to fear monger but this is something that I’ve kept my eye on for a long time.

The Tokai Earthquake

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-tokai-earthquake-of-20xx-1440533

It’s a speculative mega earthquake that occurs once every 100 or so years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tōkai_earthquakes

This area includes all of the major urban centers of Japan including Tokyo, Osaka, Kobe, Nagoya, and Kyoto. In the past, it occurred in 1498, 1605, 1707, and 1854. These earthquakes measured between a 7 or an 8. In comparison, this Hokkaido earthquake was a high 6. Osaka back in July was a 5. Kumamoto in 2016 was a double with a 6 and then a 7 the next day. The Tohoku Earthquake in 2011 was a 9 and the strongest ever in Japan. And the Kobe earthquake in 1995 was also a high 6. Japan goes by Shindo scale which measures an earthquake based on how much things shake on the surface rather than the energy released within the earth as used by Mw scale.

In some cases, things like fires, landslides, and tsunamis cause more damage and death than the actual earthquake. That’s one reason why Japan really focuses on earthquake prevention technology and minimazling damage as much as possible. Especially since the Olympics are just around the corner. Previous Tokai Earthquakes caused tons of damage and 20,000+ deaths. But that was like in the 16-1700’s which obviously didn’t have today’s earthquake protection technology.

A lot of resources have been poured into earthquake prediction (though black magic has been ruled out) and how it minimalizd damage. Still, no one is sure when or if it will strike within the near future. But it’s something people watch out for and earthquakes such like this tends to rattle the Doomsday cage.

Sorry to continue the earthquake discussion but seeing as how the Smash community has focused on it; I thought I would contribute some info to the topic outside of what happened in Hokkaido.

Sounds a tad like doomsday to me. If I were Japan I wouldn't want nuclear reactors considering how vulnerable they are to earthquakes and tsunamis.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

The title change wasn't necessary though
what's even with the "possible wah" like waluigi is somehow plausible

who is responsible

Here's the responsible WAH!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

What’s up with the current title change?

 

[sdpdude9]

Since there was no blog update, I can only assume it was going to be a character that was to be revealed in the direct.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

To an extent.

If you were to list out every trait and move Greninja had compared to Squirtle, with the topic being "Is this different, yes or no?" You'll find the overwhelming majority to be "yes."

I find it rather alarming that you'd let your tastes dictate how you see entirely different things as similar just so that you'd have another excuse to dislike a character.

Come on, even Sesame Street understood uniqueness:

I saw Sesame Street as proof of something in Smash Speculation.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have peaked!

Good night everyone!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So curious question? What Mii costumes would you guys expect in this game if there is any like Smash 4 had?

I'm definitely calling on a Waluigi one for sure.

 

[WolfCypher]

Since there was no blog update, I can only assume it was going to be a character that was to be revealed in the direct.

 

[potato69]

y'all got any of them... wahs?

 

[WolfCypher]

So curious question? What Mii costumes would you guys expect in this game if there is any like Smash 4 had?

I'm definitely calling on a Waluigi one for sure.

Well, with the Fire Mario colors being stupidly dropped from Mario's alts...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Few others I could see are Ashley (Returning), Tails (Returning), Viridi (Returning), Elma, Master Chief and Sora as well.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I saw the title and thought that the Triple A, open world Waluigi pirate game with platformer, RPG, FPS and dating sim elements we've all been waiting for was finally leaked.

Smashboards, you disappoint me.

 

[MBRedboy31]

So curious question? What Mii costumes would you guys expect in this game if there is any like Smash 4 had?

I'm definitely calling on a Waluigi one for sure.

While not one that I'm particularly expecting, I'd like a generic construction worker / engineer costume for Swordfighter since oversized wrenches being used as weapons in videogames are cool IMO.

 

[WaxPython]

Few others I could see are Ashley (Returning), Tails (Returning), Viridi (Returning), Elma, Master Chief and Sora as well.

If people are predicting master chief I want Goku!

 

[WolfCypher]

I keep looking at Michael the Spikester 's mains in his sig and I like that he has a theme. I don't know why I care so much. I just do.

 

[Blargg888]

I'm sorry for bringing up a dead meme but

Can we make Big Smoke's order with the character's #s?

Hm.

Luigi, Kirby, Fox, Villager, Mii Gunner for best Squad Strike team.

I'm here for the wah.

Where is the wah?

The true wah was the friends we made along the way... er-something.
The true wah was actualy the One-Kingdom Hearts-Piece.
I dunno.

 

[potato69]

I feel like people are sleeping on Medusa. I think she'd be pretty cool. A dark version of Palutena's moveset would be sick as heck

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If people are predicting master chief I want Goku!

Only guessed because of the good relationship between Nintendo and Microsoft right now. Not too out of the question to see him as a Mii costume but otherwise a character not so much...

 

[BlondeLombax]

Can someone catch me up to speed? I've been busy today, and I'm one who actively looks for leaks.
Not that I'm interested in a wah of any sort. Nope, definitely not me...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I keep looking at Michael the Spikester 's mains in his sig and I like that he has a theme. I don't know why I care so much. I just do.

Heh well I just love my reptiles.

Granted Ridley really isn't really one being an alien and all but he still looks like one so he counts.

 

[Buzzwole]

You know, a natural disaster was the reason they decided to delay the direct, so it would be very insensitive if Nintendo decide to push it to a date worldwide known for another disaster.

Rescheduling the direct because of the earthquake makes sense because the earthquake just happened and people are going to be dealing with the fallout. It's real and its affecting people as we speak.

9/11 was a terrible event that happened almost two decades ago.

At some point people need to be allowed to do things on 9/11 without it being considered inappropriate. It's a date. What happened on that date almost 20 years ago was terrible, but it's just a date.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I feel like people are sleeping on Medusa. I think she'd be pretty cool. A dark version of Palutena's moveset would be sick as heck

Dude you kidding me? She along with Banjo-Kazooie and Black Shadow are my most current wants. Smash needs more female villains. She's also the perfect echo for Palutena. Same height and structure, wields staff, both opposites being goddess of light and goddess of dark. It's perfect.