Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Jartravious]

reverse needle canceling is just using needles to turn around in the air, you press away on the control stick and then use neutral b and it it turns you around in the air, press shield to cancel the needle charge and then you can bair in the direction you were jumping, its only marginally useful, but hey its there.

As for peach turnip camping, you have 2 options, stay EVEN further and needle her, or stay about Marth's fsmash range close to her and hit her whenever she tries to do stuff. I like option 2.

when you say press away on the control stick i'm assuming you mean that if sheik is running right you would press left then needle charge cancel and do a bair to the right?

as for staying close up close on peach I normally just get stuffed with her nair and try to sheild grab it or WD away and then grab... what other ways can i beat peach's aerials? I have seen some sheiks uses dair at low percents but it seems to easily punished

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

The best way to beat aerials you can't outprioritize is to not get hit by them. Sheik is faster than peach, she can stay out of Peach's aerial range and just punish her for doing anything. It's a bit like what Marth does, only you're using your long limbs and sexually smooth speed to kill peach instead of a sword.

 

[Teczer0]

Someone explain to me why I bothered with the first page? Here I thought I was being helpful.

Shock... desu..

Jartravious - Sheik vs Peach

If that doesn't answer your question go ahead and ask on something more specific.

 

[soap]

when you say press away on the control stick i'm assuming you mean that if sheik is running right you would press left then needle charge cancel and do a bair to the right?

dont press away, "flick away", unless u wanna DSF (aka chain), but that's jus how i do it.

peach is easy. use needles, then if she floats at that middle height, do a long dash forward, pivot wavedash back into fullhop back air. It stuffs anything she tries.

kick her everytime she floats, trap her on the ground with spaced aerials and grabs. I try to be aggresive cuz camping her is boring and just lets her get good spacing on u eventually.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Someone explain to me why I bothered with the first page? Here I thought I was being helpful.

Because you thought people read OPs.

They don't.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I've never read the OP

 

[otg]

Hey guys, would y'all be willing to take a look at my Sheik and tell me anything I need to improve? I'm picking her up as a secondary or a main or w'e, I play to many characters as is, but since I'm new to her I'm looking for any advice at all. I didn't want to create a new thread cause no one would give a ****, so hopefully y'all can help me out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvz-YitEcp8

There are two matches there, anything you see that needs improvement, throw it out.

 

[Jartravious]

dont press away, "flick away", unless u wanna DSF (aka chain), but that's jus how i do it.

peach is easy. use needles, then if she floats at that middle height, do a long dash forward, pivot wavedash back into fullhop back air. It stuffs anything she tries.

kick her everytime she floats, trap her on the ground with spaced aerials and grabs. I try to be aggresive cuz camping her is boring and just lets her get good spacing on u eventually.

so when you say "flick away" im assuming that the stick has to return to the neutral position?

 

[soap]

so when you say "flick away" im assuming that the stick has to return to the neutral position?

yes. it is the same for all reverse neutral B's. lasers, falcon punch, etc.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hey guys, would y'all be willing to take a look at my Sheik and tell me anything I need to improve? I'm picking her up as a secondary or a main or w'e, I play to many characters as is, but since I'm new to her I'm looking for any advice at all. I didn't want to create a new thread cause no one would give a ****, so hopefully y'all can help me out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvz-YitEcp8

There are two matches there, anything you see that needs improvement, throw it out.

Grab the edge + back air when they're recovering low will defeat everything a space animal does. There is no sense waiting on the stage for them to recover and tech + illusion to grab the edge. Even terrible space animals can do this now. If you don't have time to setup Bairs from the edge, it's not a bad idea to grab the edge anyways. Space animals often go for M2K angles simply on the notion that it'll allow techs and avoid certain edgeguards, so if you just edgehog them, they'll die. And if they do go above the stage, you can still do Uair or whatever and try to keep your edgeguard going, or turn it into a combo or whatever. Either way, it gives options that standing on the edge doesn't.

Don't come down with Dair when you're launched, it commits you too much and you get hurt for it. Ideally just wait and react to whatever they're doing. If you feel yourself getting antsy and wanting to toss out a move, Bair or Nair are safer, but what's even safer is seeing what they're doing first and then choosing.

You go over him a lot with FJ needles when he's right in front of you and get Naired. Needle approach isn't necessarily bad, but you need to protect yourself better. Maybe in close range do SH needles instead. Mix in some aerials and you can probably pressure adequately.

Grab more and grab more accurately. Fewer dash attacks into his shield, too, would also be good.

 

[otg]

Very good advice, thanks alot.

Also, I should clarify on one thing... I'm not really sure where/when to use needles and what the best options are etc etc. Advice on that would be nice.

 

[Teczer0]

I miss talking about Sheik theory with KirbyKaze

KK - Yea... you're right... no one cares to click on the first page T_T.

Well.. so much for bothering to update it.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm going to sleep soon.

I'll be back with gay Sheik strategies soon enough, Haley. Sheiks unite! Power of love and shit.

 

[Cia]

my sheik got 50,000 times faster. it's like.. only slightly slower than reno's now.

 

[KirbyKaze]

My Sheik is superior to Reno's in every way.



Except it's not. At all. I suck.

 

[Teczer0]

My sheik would **** Reno....

Like maybe 2 years ago

 

[Binx]

Good times to use needles: when you are on a platform above your opponent you can use needles to harass them and get them to approach you. You have several mix ups on platforms you can use to try and chip away for some damage or land something solid that could lead into more, including by not limited to, falling through the platform and fairing instead of doing a needle if you predict they will try to get under you, can be risky depending on spacing but payoff is decent, running off the platform on either side and wavelanding or covering with a bair. Using the top platform to run away EVEN more and camp like a homo.

They are also good in limited edgeguarding situations, if you just aren't quite close enough for anything else, you might as well toss one out, you could get lucky and it could mess them up into an SD, screw up recovery spacing, or just add some pressure so they worry about angles more and limit some options.

They cancel samus' fully charges shot, you know cause we don't have enough advantages in the match already ^_^. And needles to grab, the more you have charged the more often you will successfully grab (that's been my experience)

 

[R3N0]

I haven't seen your sheik in maddd long vanz.. lol. i thought u quit her and is going all fox? you're such a flip flopper, like john kerry.
fail.


anyway, my sheik has gotten slower lol~~

 

[soap]

i havent seen vanz sheik since he failed to finish off kage in crews.

he'll prolly john, but i was impressed with it and thought it plays real smart

 

[KirbyKaze]

wow this is the most activity we've had in like a year.

good **** sheik boards, steppin' it up.

 

[soap]

i was doing upb to ledgedash>rev utilt> dsmash on cpus.

i think DI makes this combo false.

but u ever try just ledgedash reverse utilt dsmash on recovery lag?

 

[Cia]

i havent seen vanz sheik since he failed to finish off kage in crews.

he'll prolly john, but i was impressed with it and thought it plays real smart

thanks and yes i am going to john. i died at like 46% and messed up a million edgeguards. with the exception of how i played vs Azen, my sheik blew the entire time at RoM. so i just put her down for a while. but it REALLY ***** today so i'm probably going to bring her back

and regarding you're last post.. i don't even have half the tech skill to pull something like that off.

*btw, teco is at anime boston and will be there until saturday? (i think) so i will be the interim teczero

 

[saviorslegacy]

Ah crap... I used the search icon and I thought this was Brawl.

sorry

 

[Jartravious]

i have noticed that i have a really bad habit of shielding a lot instead of mixing it up with wavedashes, spot dodges, or rolls. And because of this im getting grabbed way more than i should be. any suggestions on how to break that habit?

also 2 other questions

when trying to set up a needle->grab, what are the heights that you want to consider throwing the needles? Are there several to mix it up with so one doesn't get punished?

also with the "drephen" style of down smash for edgeguarding falcon what part of the hitbox do you want to try to hit with and what way should I be facing? It also seems on some stages I can hit under the stage but does it only work on certain ones?

 

[soap]

i wouldnt downsmash edgeguard. They can tech it and upb u.

needles can be used from a full hop short hop doesnt matter as long as they are on the way down. the more needles the higher u can start.

if u r really high u can fastfall first then shoot as well

in related news, haruhi season 2 is ****.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

so you did watch it

teehee

 

[Smooth Criminal]

i wouldnt downsmash edgeguard. They can tech it and upb u.

needles can be used from a full hop short hop doesnt matter as long as they are on the way down. the more needles the higher u can start.

if u r really high u can fastfall first then shoot as well

1) Soap's correct (duh, just about everybody who posts in this thread generally is). A really good player is going to tech the downsmash and keep making a play for the stage. It becomes a really, really dumb battle of attrition that'll more than likely end up with you missing the edgeguard altogether (unless you have good prediction skills). Or if all else fails, well, what else would a manly gaybear like Falcon do? He's gonna use his C4-laden pelvic thrust and do some damage. The latter is more likely to happen.

I generally tend to needle Falcon's recovery if he's coming on a little low so that way I have room to jump out there and slap him with an f-air (<----Insurance policy. Granted, the people I play against are dumb sometimes and play characters with crappy recoveries, so usually I finish them off the stage with purely needles. There are times, tho'). Back air works here too, but I couldn't say which one is better. Just remember at the lower percentages you're probably gonna have to hit Falcon a lot to kill him.

If they avoid needle gayness and they're high enough to make it back, edgeguard with b-airs like a mofo. Remember there's only one direction Falcon can go with his recovery: Up and forward.

>___>

Smooth Criminal

 

[soap]

needle > run off weak bair > dj fair.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

needle > run off weak bair > dj fair.

XD

In other words, this.

I admire your brevity.

<3 Sheik boards ('specially you, soap).

Smooth Criminal

 

[soap]

i stole it from tec 0 vids

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Sunday Huruhi!



Yeah tec0 does alot of crazy ish. i steal some stuff from him

 

[Smooth Criminal]

i stole it from tec 0 vids

lmaooooooooooooo

God, I haven't played Smash in eons.

I miss it. ;_;

Smooth Criminal

 

[soap]

they dont show sunday.

kyon goes " i wonder what it looks like on sunday"

that is like friday or saturday

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Right right. thank you for the correction.

 

[soap]

i was actually looking for a kyon avatar but coulnt find any good ones.

so i went with the angry bytch

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i assume you tried animesuki but I'm going to suggest it anyway because it *****.

 

[soap]

no i just use google for everything

i dont know any sites

 

[DtJ Jungle]

http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=52


everything Huruhi!

 

[KirbyKaze]

i need an anime avatar now

or at least a woman

 

[Vts]

i need an anime avatar now

or at least a woman

lol

tell me i'm a pretty woman

i spent hours cooking diner for you just for you to order pizza i'm leaving!!!