Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[GooeyBanana]

Also, rather random question that's moreover tech skill for any character rather than just Sheik, but I might as well ask here.

Ok, so wavelanding backwards off of a platform is EZPZ, no problem. My question is, how do you waveland off of a platform facing forwards? For some reason, I just shield before I fall off, or I am standing at the very edge of the platform instead of sliding off. Should I just be releasing R faster than I already am?...Or am I missing something completely here xP?

 

[Teczer0]

I usually waveland then start to run.

I think if you don't run you'll end up into the teetering animation.

 

[GooeyBanana]

Yeah, the running right after releasing R seems to do the trick. Sweet d(^_^)z

 

[soap]

I either do the run thing, or if u are close enough to the edge there is enough momentum to go straight off

 

[BSeeD]

Also, rather random question that's moreover tech skill for any character rather than just Sheik, but I might as well ask here.

Ok, so wavelanding backwards off of a platform is EZPZ, no problem. My question is, how do you waveland off of a platform facing forwards? For some reason, I just shield before I fall off, or I am standing at the very edge of the platform instead of sliding off. Should I just be releasing R faster than I already am?...Or am I missing something completely here xP?

U have to fast fall.
I had this problem for a long time, then just asked people XD
The thing is that u have to follow ur mouvement with ur stick.
I'm pretty sure holding R doesn't change anything, but not 100% so I'll let other ppl tell ya.

 

[stelzig]

Holding R for too long can make you end up in the falling/tumble animation, at least when doing it backwards. Also, you can just hold forward after wavelanding, you don't have to time a run.

BSeeD: You sure you aren't just dropping through the platform? I don't see how fastfalling should make you go off the side of the platform or how you could fastfall at all when grounded.

 

[Twix]

I still can't figure out how to properly execute the foxtrot.. I saw a lot of you (KK, Tope, M2K) doing it perfectly at Apex, so I know exactly how it looks, I just can't do it right. -_-;


Any help ? <3

 

[Cia]

Like 95% sure I'm retiring the girl in favor of skill woman.

Sup sheik boards

 

[Mew2King]

they're both pretty good characters dude

 

[omgwtfToph]

LMAO skill woman

best name

 

[Kaffei]

Like 95% sure I'm retiring the girl in favor of skill woman.

Sup sheik boards

-dead- @ Skill woman

 

[crush]

im actually starting to use skill woman too

 

[omgwtfToph]

the term?

or the woman?

 

[crush]

both
10term/womans

 

[ShroudedOne]

Like 95% sure I'm retiring the girl in favor of skill woman.

Sup sheik boards

10 s

 

[Kaffei]

Does N-air have a longer reach than F-air?

 

[KirbyKaze]

no

1234567890

edit:

Peach is doomed in North America if VaNz is quitting her T_T

welcome to the winning team tho

 

[Kaffei]

ty

another question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLdAK2p2c8
0:17
After the dash attack how do you input the turn around dash short hop fair so fast

 

[john!]

Like 95% sure I'm retiring the girl in favor of skill woman.

Sup sheik boards

WHAT THE **** VANZ









wait... which one is "skill woman"?

 

[KirbyKaze]

ty

another question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLdAK2p2c8
0:17
After the dash attack how do you input the turn around dash short hop fair so fast

Witchcraft.

edit:

Tap right (hold) --> X --> A

 

[Kaffei]

Witchcraft.

edit:

Tap right (hold) --> X --> A

Do you have some kind of a visual cue as to when to tap the direction? or did you just memorize the timing

 

[SonuvaBeach]

Just practice man. Things as specific as that are often just learned via playing for hours on end. I have never practiced movement, but have played consistently for 4 years now and am told I have a very "fast" sheik. You can sit down alone and learn tech skill, or via playing with friends and focusing on it, but both work.

Learning the timing of when to run quickest out of throws is very much just getting comfortable with that character. I still have trouble with Fox's grab-->uair for this reason - just practice and you'll get it.

Specifically to practice her d-throw. Learn the CG in training consistently on different characters. Tell your friends to DI away more (or in/not at all) often from your throws and to switch their DI, as it will make it harder for you and help you improve. Then practice the CG, u-tilts, follow ups, the running fair, etc on them.

@Kirbykaze, Tope - Can't wait to watch both your sets, impressed by both of your wins and hope to learn from them. Specifically vs Hbox, shiz, hax. Keep it up

 

[Kaffei]

I practice a LOT actually.. (you can ask duckpimp he'll vouch for me) I'm just trying to find the most efficient way to do things

 

[L__]

hey so while toying around with sheik on FD I ran off the side and did a turnaround needle cancel and grabbed the ledge without jumping


how come I've never seen sheik players do that?

nvm I just realized how strict the timing is

hi sheik boards

 

[omgwtfToph]

hi alvin

im a sheik

 

[Teczer0]

I feel like I did a lot worse than I coulda at apex and it almost makes me wanna practice.

Almost :<

I really need to find motivation some how.

 

[L__]

toph clearly ur lying

ur icon is a samus

 

[omgwtfToph]

argh u got me

 

[Cia]

WHAT THE **** VANZ









wait... which one is "skill woman"?

Sheik is obv. Skill Woman.

and for me, playing Peach requires that i get constant practice, which i just don't anymore. (moving to Ohio for the loss) I also find Sheik really really fun and I'm pretty comfortable with her in just about every match up. My vs Falco game needs work, but I'm close to being comfortable with that as well.

 

[L__]

i've been playing sheik recently and I think she's pretty fun too

didnt think so before

i wonder what changed

 

[ShroudedOne]

I love using her against Falco (when I don't feel like floating over lasers). It's really fun.

 

[Wake]

Oh well Vanz... I'm still gonna beat you in a Peach ditto soon.

 

[Vionce]

does shiek have any invincible attacks from the ledge (aside from up-b)?

 

[KirbyKaze]

nair fair bair dair uair

 

[BSeeD]

hey so while toying around with sheik on FD I ran off the side and did a turnaround needle cancel and grabbed the ledge without jumping


how come I've never seen sheik players do that?

nvm I just realized how strict the timing is

hi sheik boards

Just learned like two weeks ago that was possible.
Still I've never seen that even ONCE in my entire smash career.
Is there a video where I can see that tech used ?

 

[L__]

I'll make a video about it when I get my recording setup back

until then

there's nothing I can do

 

[gm jack]

I guess it isn't used because the extra tech skill for such a small increase in speed of getting to the ledge is not worth it, especially given the costs of messing it up.

 

[BSeeD]

Globally the same reason why PC trick is not commonly used with Sheik ?
( even if PC trick's not that hard ^^)

 

[Luma]

you just got way more options with sh turnaround needle, it could be used sometimes as a suprise EG to catch someone offguard, otherwise its just not worth it

 

[Salevits]

Lately I've started to mess my dash dancing up >_> Help.

When you fox trot back and forward with sheik, is there a frame during the brake animation or during the dash animation in which you can't dash to the opposite direction?

And just to make sure I don't get any "you probably enter the running animation" answers: I'm not stupid. I know when I've dashed too long and enter the running animation, I'm not talking about the super slow "turning while running" animation. Instead when I mess my dash dance up, Sheik just instantly stops moving, and turns around while standing. It's awkward. What do i do wrong? <_>