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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
- Start date
Just DI left/right it doesn't make a giant difference unless you're near the edge or something.
Also if falcos DJ they place themselves at a pretty awful position. You can either space yourself for an ftilt that'll connect after they dair, space for a grab, or just run and shield the dair into nair or grab.
You can even dash attack them if they try to laser.
Just be patient about it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
What nicaboy doesn't realize is that he's like atrociously bad at this game D:
booshk
Smash Lord
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
*explosion*
Unfortunately I'm going to still be in Taiwan.. lol dangit i really wanted to play you! hope you have fun in bc though man.
play sion, he's ****.
Thanks for your answer. Would you happen to know something about light shield on platforms -> get hit -> instabair when falling off? I thought it would be a cool way to get down against dumb spacies, but I seem to fall down in a weird way which doesn't allow me to do anything until I touch the ground. Am I doing something wrong?
Ok nevermind, just realized you have to face away from the platform =P
Ok nevermind, just realized you have to face away from the platform =P
You can go left, right, straight up and then DI the lasers left or right, etc.
There is no perfect way to DI it you need to vary and outsmart the Falco.
Lordydennek
Smash Ace
what falco uthrows? all i get is the forward throw...
JPOBS
Smash Hero
all falcos upthrow, its his best throw.
but they all suck anyway so meh
but they all suck anyway so meh
Teba
Smash Cadet
Ok.. I have some questions now:
1) Peach: Because she is a floater is there any better way to kill her than just Fairing her and trying to kill her in high percents? And yes... It is hard because of DI, so that's why I need this help? Is U-Airing any better? And her D-Smash is killing me so badly.. So what should I do to this: I Fair to Peach, she Crouch Cancels it and bang, D-Smash in my face and I gain so much percents.. So This is one tricky thing too. And any other advices would be good too.
2) Falco: LASERS! I HATE THEM SO MUCH! What should I do to them? Because Needles aren't working because they are so slow against lasers. So should I just jump over platforms or what? Lasers -> F-Smash -> I'm dead.. And is there any other advices what I should do against Falcos? Tech-chasing is working sometimes so it is good but some other things?
Thx to everybody already who answers these questions!
~ Greets from Finland! Teba.
1) Peach: Because she is a floater is there any better way to kill her than just Fairing her and trying to kill her in high percents? And yes... It is hard because of DI, so that's why I need this help? Is U-Airing any better? And her D-Smash is killing me so badly.. So what should I do to this: I Fair to Peach, she Crouch Cancels it and bang, D-Smash in my face and I gain so much percents.. So This is one tricky thing too. And any other advices would be good too.
2) Falco: LASERS! I HATE THEM SO MUCH! What should I do to them? Because Needles aren't working because they are so slow against lasers. So should I just jump over platforms or what? Lasers -> F-Smash -> I'm dead.. And is there any other advices what I should do against Falcos? Tech-chasing is working sometimes so it is good but some other things?
Thx to everybody already who answers these questions!
~ Greets from Finland! Teba.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falco throwing Sheik off the stage can be an issue.
1) Since you're probably playing pal, you'd better stick to fair. Enjoy getting her to 120% every single time, though
Peach sucks. Against CC you should try to needle her or something for lower %s, and then just space aerials the best you can so you avoid the CC dsmash. And don't get predictable with them or she'll just dash attack under them (or something as dumb) and start a painful combo.2) Get on platforms -> falling fair, short hop over an approaching laser then fair, nair out of shield after the laser if they always approach in the same way (also good for breaking shield pressure, it's 6 frames so it's faster than grabbing), dash attack under high lasers (not at lower % though or they go nowhere and you get shined), crouch the laser then ftilt their approach... =D
Powershield may net some easy grabs but don't overdo it.
Tech chasing is one of the biggest advantages you should exploit when fighting space animals, so abuse it and get good at reading you opponents' patterns. Running usmash is good to scare them into not doing tech in place/no tech, and this is good since it's kinda the most difficult option to punish.
Learn to boost grab (dash attack then cancel into grab asap) since it makes catching tech away so much easier.
Getting the grab may be difficult though, you have to trick them into thinking that shielding is a good idea then you just walk in their face and start elbowing them to death. Also powershielding right in front of them, if you can read a sh laser in place, equals to easy grabs which is good.
Teba
Smash Cadet
Thanks a lot to you, Vincent46! I think that my problem usually is that I dont grab so much. And that is quite bad thing to do because Sheik's grabs are good so I need to use them much more. And by the way! When I watched some videos (Sheik vs Peach), it seemed that D-Grab to U-Air works really well in Pokemon Stadium, because Pokemon Stadium isn't that high stage as other stages, so should I use that? Peach is going het KO'ed like in.. 100-120% If I remember right.1) Since you're probably playing pal, you'd better stick to fair. Enjoy getting her to 120% every single time, though
2) Get on platforms -> falling fair, short hop over an approaching laser then fair, nair out of shield after the laser if they always approach in the same way (also good for breaking shield pressure, it's 6 frames so it's faster than grabbing), dash attack under high lasers (not at lower % though or they go nowhere and you get shined), crouch the laser then ftilt their approach... =D
Powershield may net some easy grabs but don't overdo it.
Tech chasing is one of the biggest advantages you should exploit when fighting space animals, so abuse it and get good at reading you opponents' patterns. Running usmash is good to scare them into not doing tech in place/no tech, and this is good since it's kinda the most difficult option to punish.
Learn to boost grab (dash attack then cancel into grab asap) since it makes catching tech away so much easier.
Getting the grab may be difficult though, you have to trick them into thinking that shielding is a good idea then you just walk in their face and start elbowing them to death. Also powershielding right in front of them, if you can read a sh laser in place, equals to easy grabs which is good.
And yeah.. I need learn your advices to win my friend's Falco. I think it is possible, but sometimes I just get *****. But that's why I need to practise. Against Peach I'm doing already guite fine but sometimes I just lose to so **** silly thing that I do.
But thank you so much! I try these!
If you're from Finland I guess you're playing pal (European version)? Aside from uair being much weaker, Sheik's dthrow doesn't combo to anything in pal - and that's a major problem since peach can just camp us in her shield all day long =(. So fair is the kill move of choice anyway. As for Falco, if you aren't very experienced in the matchup yet, this may be of help.
Teba
Smash Cadet
Ok. Then I don't use that thing. And yeah Falco isn't one of my weakest opponent's and I don't have much experience of him. So maybe your helps will help me.
GooeyBanana
Smash Lord
I have to agree with Teczero, aggro Sheik is uber fun. I just wish my opponents would shield more so I can do them scary empty short hop shenanigans xP
gm jack
Smash Lord
What can a Sheik do in a neutral situation to put pressure on and be safe. Other characters seem to be able to fire some projectile, dash dance or occasionally shffl a certain aerial fairly safely. However, needles are too slow, her dash dance is small with few options out of it and her air speed is too low to do big advancing/retreating aerials.
Is the best option to either stay fairly still or to advance?
Is the best option to either stay fairly still or to advance?
soap
Smash Hero
needles are slow? be thankful u don't have fireballs
dash dance is not that bad
shffl isn't the best approach. Its more of a pressure/spacing technique once the other person has commited to doing a move and not moving
there are lots of options. charge some needles, see how they react, store them. work a little dash dance in. Wall bairs. Mix all of those together
I dash attack alot nowadays
You're just sooooooo BAD. Watch M2K and other top Sheik players, Sheik is amazing and so much better than you seem to understand. At the same time, maybe sheik is just not for you, since it sounds like your style is more suited for fox or puff.
Also, fully charged needles do ~17-18% Her dash, wave dash, dash attack are all extremely fast. her Forward tilt, shuffled fair are amazing. her up tilt is amazing. Her TECH CHASING IS THE BEST IN THE GAME, IF YOU WANT TO LEARN TO "APPLY PRESSURE" YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS TACTIC.
Her RECOVERY IS . . . . >_> BUT HER EDGE GUARDING IS AMAZING!! SOOO MANY OPTIONS.
Your post just makes me sad.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
^^^
guy knows whats up sheiks is easily one of the best chrachters in the game,
dont forget her gimp game is one of the best. just not vs puff lol
guy knows whats up sheiks is easily one of the best chrachters in the game,
dont forget her gimp game is one of the best. just not vs puff lol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Her tilts are good, but you have to be careful about tilting a grounded opponent. Doing that a lot is asking to get CC grabbed.
MooseEatsBear
Smash Journeyman
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It seems like it'd be good for an approach. Makes your vulnerable hitbox smaller, and can combo into ftilt, which we should all know is pretty amazing.
MooseEatsBear
Smash Journeyman
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What do you guys do after you d-throw a spacie? I never have ANY idea what to do.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Sheik is fabulous on the condition you're not fighting Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers.
TunaCasserole
Smash Journeyman
@Moose: U-Smash or U-tilt + Regrab. Personally I think the U-tilt regrab is much cooler, but if you mistime it you can get shined and then massacred 
. Tech-chase regrabbing is also viable if you can react fast enough. But yeah I tend to U-tilt while predicting a spot-tech, cause spacies usually think they can get away with a spot-tech -> quick shine to screw shieks up. Anyways, I find it to be a good starting point From there you can begin to guess their teching pattern.
AMSAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH my shiek has become a significantly worse version of yours. I'm doing all the empty short hop grabs and U-tilts now Basically my NTSC shiek turned into a PAL shiek...which unfortunately made me a lot worse at the Falcon matchup since I'm actually trying to play smart when I really should just be playing gay. I still hate mind trick for leaving early when I was over there T__T
. Tech-chase regrabbing is also viable if you can react fast enough. But yeah I tend to U-tilt while predicting a spot-tech, cause spacies usually think they can get away with a spot-tech -> quick shine to screw shieks up. Anyways, I find it to be a good starting point From there you can begin to guess their teching pattern.AMSAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH my shiek has become a significantly worse version of yours. I'm doing all the empty short hop grabs and U-tilts now
Basically my NTSC shiek turned into a PAL shiek...which unfortunately made me a lot worse at the Falcon matchup since I'm actually trying to play smart when I really should just be playing gay. I still hate mind trick for leaving early when I was over there T__T
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falcon is just a whole lot of waiting for him to be dumb.
gm jack
Smash Lord
I know I suck, which was why I was asking for advice, so stop being a smart ***.
My point was that not many of the attacking options are that safe. Get a dash attack shielded or cced and you get ***** for it. Miss a grab and same deal. Her shuffles are pretty safe, but her low air speed and high sh doesn't make them too hard to deal with for a character playing defensively.
It seams that while sheik has a ton of really good options, they all have a major flaw which means if you get predicted, you get ***** for it. I said needles are slow only in relation to getting punished for someone calling you on throwing needles. Having a falcon full jump over the stage to knee you in the ending lag is not fun.
I know all her moves are really good. I know she's really quick. I was asking for help on what to do in neutral situations, as most things appear to be pretty punishable compared to other characters. Is putting pressure on by closing the gap (or camping against falcon's etc) the best thing to do?
Like I said earlier, if Sheik's mobility is a problem for you and you can't figure it out then you need to try a new character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUu2uvCVtn4
you should start here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUu2uvCVtn4
you should start here.
gm jack
Smash Lord
So approaching to get into attack range is the best option? I have no trouble moving around with her. I was just having trouble with what to do more safely once I actually get there. At the moment, a decent number of my approaches get cut down, so it is a matter of how I do things rather than what I'm doing (if that makes sense).
soap
Smash Hero
having them full jump across the stage is to your advantage
because you can store the needles instead of throwing them, then space
try it out
because you can store the needles instead of throwing them, then space
try it out
If you're just trying to beat your friends all you need to do is play marth.
gm jack
Smash Lord
I've been playing competitively on and off for about a year. The last tournament I attended was the second biggest in europe ever. I do want to get good at the game.
My big problem is that I have huge swings in how well I play. The only thing I can guess is that I have days of lucky guessing and those without. Therefore, I'm trying to find out what I'm doing right and wrong so I can focus on improving what I'm doing right. I'm asking stupid questions because I thought they were stupid questions until I realised I wasn't sure of the answer.
My big problem is that I have huge swings in how well I play. The only thing I can guess is that I have days of lucky guessing and those without. Therefore, I'm trying to find out what I'm doing right and wrong so I can focus on improving what I'm doing right. I'm asking stupid questions because I thought they were stupid questions until I realised I wasn't sure of the answer.
Cosmo!
nerf zelda's dsmash
my sheik sux. i get devastated by falcons. im only ok at sheik dittos 
I got double eliminated by Hax yesterday so I feel your pain Cosmo =(.
And sheik dittos are a complete ground game since all her aerials lose to upair/uptilt and somewhat to ftilt.
Just stay on the ground as much as possible.
And sheik dittos are a complete ground game since all her aerials lose to upair/uptilt and somewhat to ftilt.
Just stay on the ground as much as possible.
soap
Smash Hero
well placed shffl's are nice
DJRome
Smash Hero
^^ tec0 makes me a sad samuel
Yea, I suck.
Story of my life D=
Story of my life D=
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Ice Climbers
nicaboy
Smash Champion
^^
agreed my brother
**** that match. coop out and play peach. i would proberly bust out my ganon and try to play him like sheik lmao
agreed my brother
**** that match. coop out and play peach. i would proberly bust out my ganon and try to play him like sheik lmao