Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[nicaboy]

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[gm jack]

i don't get it. how did amsah jump around so much vs zhu? that's being in the air and it worked really well

Because I suspect he knew exactly when it was safe to jump.

 

[AntoPark]

Hey guys, not that I play samus or anything..but how would a samus be able to beat us sheiks? :D
Like, what would have to happen for a better sheik to lose to a lesser samus?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik would need to be wasted.

 

[Tope]

sheik would need to not space anything correctly and constantly get spot dodged

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think we'd need a few SDs too.

 

[AntoPark]

So a sheik that's sober and spacing well will almost always beat samus?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yeah, basically.

More seriously, Sheik would have to simply not know the matchup. She'd have to make mistakes like tilting or jabbing into Samus's CC and then Samus would have to capitalize and punish those as hard as possible. Sheik would also need to make bad mistakes like getting really complacent in shield and being grabbed consequently, being called for rolls, and other stuff.

If they're bad at dealing with missiles that can also work, though missiles are generally a non-issue (particularly with Sheik).

 

[Tope]

if sheik goes in the air in a predictable manner samus can give her the boot as well...

slightly annoying but easy to get around

being edgeguarded with samus is pretty lame as well

 

[KirbyKaze]

Dair --> Beam is pretty annoying when you poof onstage in your year of lag.

 

[iamthemicrowave]

the lag time is measured in years dont get it twisted

 

[soap]

Dair --> Beam is pretty annoying when you poof onstage in your year of lag.

watty has never done this to me. thats a good idea. he just stands up and shoots me

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

so can anyone give me practical applications of sh wavelands? mindgames?

 

[soap]

u r about to space an aerial but they dash dance away. u waveland back and they miss grab

or u sh over a laser and waveland forward to close space

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

it may be just me, but am i wrong in thinking that sheik doesnt gain nearly as much staying mobile, as compared to say.... almost the entire rest of the tournament cast

 

[KirbyKaze]

she doesn't have broken aerial mobility or a broken dash dance or broken stun lasers or the ability to hover

that's why it feels that way

 

[Blistering Speed]

It just occured to me i'm pretty ignorant about alotta Sheik stuff. What's the consensus on her vs Marth and Falco? I mean, Marth is like supposedly complete ****, but why is it SO bad people need secondaries and ish for it?

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

physics ****. hes perfect to get knocked around. oh and sheiks moveset being so fast (she is a faster runner as well, only 2 others can say that) means we dont have to just take marths attacks. we can punish accordingly. she also has a projectile to force him to approach, and gimp his momentum on a recovery. this is a personally theory, but i think with sheiks recovery being all "now im here now im not", she can avoid deadly(and crucial, for him at least) edgeguards extremely well. tho
tl;dr marth wears a tiara. sheik doesn't

 

[KirbyKaze]

It just occured to me i'm pretty ignorant about alotta Sheik stuff. What's the consensus on her vs Marth and Falco? I mean, Marth is like supposedly complete ****, but why is it SO bad people need secondaries and ish for it?

Falco is close. Marth is not.

Falco shoots her and also puts pressure on her and does combos that are really gay, especially ones that involve U-tilt and platforms. His edgeguarding ***** her and tricks like ground techs and whatnot are ineffectual against it if Falco knows how to be gay.

Much to his chagrin, Falco can die in one grab or knockdown, though, so it becomes really close despite how good he is when he's not being grabbed or knocked down (and how good he is at avoiding either of those situations). He's good at handling her usual gayness like tilts and crouch cancel and whatnot because of how great Dair + Shine + Laser all on one character is.

Marth sucks because you just combo the balls off him and edgeguard **** him. And his edgeguard on you is meh comparatively. Your moves can stuff his despite him having a sword because they're fast and long and spacing vs a character that not only has faster moves but also moves with good range is difficult for Marth (her body contortions, particularly when she ducks, does not help him either). She also has quicker close-range movements and can projectile camp if he tries that ledge dash dance gayness.

You have a million stupid traps that **** Marth no matter how he DIs or attempts escape from throws. Her combo game is such that even during moments of him attempting to combo-break via double jumps and Fairs/other moves, Sheik can often 50/50 and try to cover one of those and stuff the move (most of the time) or nick him out of the jump and if she gets either Marth is liable to die.

Edgeguarding is easymode. Lightshield, Bairs, needles, Nairs, and punishing his recovery lag is stupid. You conveniently have an infinite ledgestall to dodge his efforts to swat you with DJ Fairs and whatever.

If you DI away from his combos you won't die in one hit unless he makes a few reads or predictions and gets them correct.

 

[nicaboy]

I dont seem to be doing all that amazing vs marth(lack of a marth that knows the sheik match up over here)

but omg spaced f tilt. I never knew

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

oh yea kills the hell out of em. one of my favorite things to do is land 18% of needles. then throw 1 more uncharge one after. seems to be a guaranteed rush, even if theyre up.

 

[Teczer0]

Haha I think KK makes it sound oversimplistic.

I think Marth can do aright vs sheik. Its definitely not like Sheik vs Mario or something.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik vs Mario also isn't a real matchup because one of those characters isn't in this game.

And I do oversimplify things but that's because if I actually typed out everything about I know about comboing Marth we'd be here forever.

 

[Teczer0]

Oh yea this is true =D

Now I need to learn Sheik vs Fox D=

 

[Cia]

Oh yea this is true =D

Now I need to learn Sheik vs Fox D=

just infinite him with Dthrows.

consider yourself taught

 

[KirbyKaze]

D-throw tech chase, WD back F-tilt, and Bair.

Those beat Fox.

 

[soap]

do sheik players sleep?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm going on the bus for like 2 hours tomorrow for smash.

I'll sleep then.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

namine

<3

 

[KirbyKaze]

She's so pretty <3

 

[DJRome]

sleep is for women. . .

 

[Tope]

I hate sheik vs mario

 

[ChivalRuse]

Does Mario have some kind of crazy advantage in that match that I don't know about? Last time I checked, it's like fighting a Doc who can't KO.

 

[Tope]

oh it is, and sheik ***** him. I still have nightmares about better mario's ****** me in that MU when I was a scrub...

utilt all my badly spaced aerials and then cg to fsmash lolololol

 

[ChivalRuse]

Man. Those cheap Mario combos.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

chaingrabs

Haha I think KK makes it sound oversimplistic.

I think Marth can do aright vs sheik. Its definitely not like Sheik vs Mario or something.

lol i think i stole that title. we wrote 99% the same thing he just made it 2x longer XD

 

[nicaboy]

i think doc and mario can do solid vs sheik..

But I mean sheik is so gay.

Cuz like I ***** green mario's mario. And that guy has a pretty nasty mario

 

[ChivalRuse]

Sheik can't just walk up and ftilt like she can vs Falcon. But needles + spaced bairs/fairs + grabs get the job done vs the Marios.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

dont forget dthrow-> fair. or ya know... if they DI just nair instead. loltoptier

 

[Kira-]

platform camping + three times the range > mario + doc