Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Teczer0]

You're probably right since the dash grab has more range iirc.

Though I think the JC grab goes far enough. Its not like peach where you actually HAVE to dash grab in certain spots to land the grab.

I also don't CG very often so I'm probably not giving the best of advice . The few times I do use the CG though I've used JCs and haven't run into any real issues.

 

[soap]

my mini grab guide:

dash grab for chaingrabs

boost grab for tech chasing and general foxtrot dash dance grabs

jc for real tight close range dash dance grabs, use instead of dash grabs in general unless u need a big range boost, then boost it.

it's really a feeling thing and personal preference

 

[Tyson651]

i guess im going to have to get accustomed to that if it makes sheik's game better.

all i do is jc grabs loool

 

[SPAWN]

Can you cg Sheik at 0 if you jc grab? I've only been able to do it without jc'ing it.

Also, I agree with soap for everything.

Edit: Why does hitting people's shields with jumping needles and then grabbing them usually work? It works against really good players too... your opponent can get out of it no matter how low you hit on their shield right?

 

[DJRome]

i thought you couldn't cg sheik @ 0?

 

[SPAWN]

You can. It's just really ****ing hard. It took me about a week to get it down. I stopped practicing it though so I can't really do it that often now.

 

[Tyson651]

Can you cg Sheik at 0 if you jc grab? I've only been able to do it without jc'ing it.

Also, I agree with soap for everything.

Edit: Why does hitting people's shields with jumping needles and then grabbing them usually work? It works against really good players too... your opponent can get out of it no matter how low you hit on their shield right?

i picked up sheik recently so i haven't really done sheik dittos before.

to me it seems like they can avoid the grab.

 

[unknown522]

KirbyKaze post:

Can you cg Sheik at 0 if you jc grab? I've only been able to do it without jc'ing it.

That's because you can't.

You need the dash grab's range.

Edit: Why does hitting people's shields with jumping needles and then grabbing them usually work? It works against really good players too... your opponent can get out of it no matter how low you hit on their shield right?

Because needles at the lowest point on their shield puts you at -1. Very, very few people are perfect with shield grab so you can often cheat their shield grab that way if you learn the timing for needle --> grab on landing.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

epic sig unknown

i cant cg at zero eithe r

 

[SPAWN]

KK, I don't understand.

Is it because your opponent thinks they can shieldgrab after you've needled and landed? When in reality,you are able to grab them instead with a 1 frame advantage?

 

[ZoSo]

No, you're actually at a disadvantage of -1. His point was that nobody is frame perfect with shieldgrabs so you can often grab anyway if you time it well.

 

[SPAWN]

Oh alright thanks. ^_^

 

[SonuvaBeach]

What a waste of a post...but

CG from 0 is just real **** hard.

Good to know you can't JC it...no wonder I haven't been able to do it.

 

[Spife]

Unknown that sig IS awesome. Larger image plz?

edit: speaking of wasted posts, who's the hardest cg'able character to cg from 0?

 

[DJRome]

there's a distinct lack of vwins on that sig

 

[ZoSo]

I believe Unknown's sig is just the Ontario guys. Vwins and Bam are from Quebec.

I could be wrong.

 

[DJRome]

i figured, but the print is too small to make out anything more than just canada smash, which would be egregious if it leaves off vwins

 

[KirbyKaze]

I believe Unknown's sig is just the Ontario guys. Vwins and Bam are from Quebec.

I could be wrong.

No it's the Canadians that made bracket. Kage is Quebec.

I don't know who the hardest character is to CG at 0. I don't think it works at 0 on Ganon. I guess I'd probably say Link or Young Link or Sheik or something.

 

[ZoSo]

No it's the Canadians that made bracket.

LOL what a ****.

Still a beast sig though.

 

[Dynamism?]

vwins got the death pool at pound maybe?
I thought I heard he was one of the many that was included in that pool LOL

PKM should be there too...



Aren't there WAAAAAY Better things to do from 0% anyway? >_>

Like maybe a regrab in there, but straight CG??? >_>

 

[SPAWN]

I've never been able to cg Link at 0. I've been able to do it to Sheik though so imo it's Link.

 

[unknown522]

vwins got the death pool at pound maybe?
I thought I heard he was one of the many that was included in that pool LOL

PKM should be there too...



Aren't there WAAAAAY Better things to do from 0% anyway? >_>

Like maybe a regrab in there, but straight CG??? >_>

Almost every pool was a death pool round 3 (coincidentally, not plank's).

PKM was in my pool round 3.....it was pretty gay.

 

[SuperRad]

I get mindgamed by all the bidoofs

I like bidoof though

 

[4% APR]

Almost every pool was a death pool round 3 (coincidentally, not plank's).

PKM was in my pool round 3.....it was pretty gay.

Vidjo and i are from the same area too. That pool hurt

 

[Dynamism?]

Almost every pool was a death pool round 3 (coincidentally, not plank's).

PKM was in my pool round 3.....it was pretty gay.

Yeah that's so true, what was I thinking.
Pound 4 was a pile of death really, I'd have been super scurred no matter who I played.

None of planks anything were as hard as anyone else.
That's perfectly fine though, he ran the whole thing so giving himself a break I guess isn't so bad. Still, LOL

 

[SuperRad]

i dunno, armada/lord hdl/axe is good competition.

 

[LooksLikePit]

What's the best thing to do against a camping Falco? For example, the Falco is camping behind a platform on Pokemon Stadium or on Dreamland. Should I camp back, be aggressive, or something else?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Plank was the source of his own deathpool. 0_0

He did get pretty far in brackets, also coincidentally.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

learn to powershield, use platforms to make him dj ands tufffz

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

question
has anyone ever been hit with power shielded needles or is that even possible?

 

[Teczer0]

Yes, you can hit people with PSed needles.

EDIT: Oh, I've PSed an aerial needle back at my opponent and they gave me a blank stare.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

you can power shield any attack that doesnt grab you.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

i just was wondering if the needles that are lagging behind might cancel out the needle ps'd

 

[Teczer0]

i just was wondering if the needles that are lagging behind might cancel out the needle ps'd

If more than 1 is thrown than yea it would.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

ah thats what i meant. god i love needles. not as much as soap tho

 

[LooksLikePit]

Can someone actually answer my question please?

 

[Teczer0]

What's the best thing to do against a camping Falco? For example, the Falco is camping behind a platform on Pokemon Stadium or on Dreamland. Should I camp back, be aggressive, or something else?

Oops kinda procrastinating and going back and forth with work >_>.

Anyway....

I usually either just duck under the laser and slowly creep up on him. Using bair and fair to jump over the laser is a pretty good idea. The best they can do is shield it and as long as you space it you really can't be hit out of stuff espeically if you do bair.

At mid-ish percents dash attacking under lasers become a lot more viable. If you can land it they can set up for fairs (or things that combo into fair) or they can knock falco down and set up for a nice tech chase.

Don't try to grab falco directly, its definitely not worth the trouble.

I guess in other words be fairly aggressive. Being overaggressive can set you up for his OOS play. You can needle him but don't depend on just needles as lasers > needles.

 

[Dynamism?]

Just keep that distance from Falco that makes him unsafe/uncomfortable. He's not gonna SH a laser if you're in his face, but he's not safe to dair or anything else if you're out of his pathetic horizontal burst speed range stuff.

Try a Marth tipper distance/tip Fair distance from Falco at all times. Your safe zone against him as he can't do much but predict what you do, and you can react accordingly.

Push him to the edge in this zone, gg off edge. Shield is great, don't try shield grabbing, that's silly. Don't try dashing at him into a grab from far away, that's silly.
He attacks too much, so you have to read and react for the grabs/other hts. Watch the CC early like Tec^ said, but dash attack any SHL attempt when he's 'ripe' for it.

You can out space him in this range if you stay there and don't let him in and out of it (away to laser or on your face with shineginanigans)

 

[LooksLikePit]

When a falco is camping near the edge and I approach them, they just move back slightly. I'm either at a range where my attacks don't hit and he can keep camping, at a range where I have the advantage, or at a close range where I get *****. Falcos usually just go back slightly when I approach so it's at the farther range. How do I lock them in so they have no choice but to get trapped in the whirlwind of gayness that is Sheik?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

you can power shield any attack that doesnt grab you.

yoshi can powershield grabs.