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I think it's just being worded wrong here. We don't think people who play Brawl are inferior, we think people who play Brawl and never gave Melee a chance and bash it are inferior. In fact, those people need to be shot.
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But I can guarantee you that you'll continue to word it incorrectly in the future and continue to bash every Brawl player. This has been brought up before, and not by me, and it still happens on both sides.I think it's just being worded wrong here. We don't think people who play Brawl are inferior, we think people who play Brawl and never gave Melee a chance and bash it are inferior. In fact, those people need to be shot.
You never played Melee competitively so you can't just say, "I played Melee a lot". It has no validity. Saying it has wi-fi isn't a reason either, because Brawl's wi-fi sucks some serious ****. I don't think I've had the desire to burn down Nintendo's headquarters more than when I first tried Brawl wi-fi. Melee having copy characters? That's the most idiotic statement I've ever read. Ganondorf played NOTHING like Captain Falcon. And just try to tell me Fox and Falco played the same. I'll laugh you out of this thread. In fact, Brawl's character moveset has WAY more copied moves than Melee. Wolf's upsmash is the same as Sonic's u air for instance. There are DOZENS of copied moves in Brawl I'm just too lazy to name them all.I dont get why people would say people that like brawl more never gave melee a chance. I like brawl more but played melee a lot before brawl came. I like brawl more because none of my mains arent on melee, except 2, it has wi-fi, melee has a lot of copy characters, and my melee doesnt even work.
Jack. Just wanted to point out that you DID misinterpret what I said a few pages back (even putting "idiot" in there when it wasn't in there).
Calling a portion of the Brawl supporters ignorant and lazy isn't much better than calling them idiots.ummmm....
Melee>Brawl as a competitive fighter. But Brawl is good for people who like the slowed, defensive gameplay OR are ignorant, lazy n00bs who like to have their hand-held when playing a game.
Objections?
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The point is Jack said I said that ALL Brawlers are lazy, ignorant n00bs (or his word "idiots"). As you can see in what I originally said, I never said ALL!Calling a portion of the Brawl supporters ignorant and lazy isn't much better than calling them idiots.
For what it's worth, I don't think I've bashed Brawl supporters except for those that come in here and make ridiculous statements.
Ok why say brawls wi-fi isnt a reason. Brawl has wi-fi melee doesnt. Ganondorf played alot like capton falcon. His moves where the exact same except they looked different. Fox and falco were the exact same character pretty much exept the lazerers. Brawls move set doesnt even come close to melees copied moves, In melee half the characters were copies with most of the moves the same while in brawl only abot 10-15 moves were copied.You never played Melee competitively so you can't just say, "I played Melee a lot". It has no validity. Saying it has wi-fi isn't a reason either, because Brawl's wi-fi sucks some serious ****. I don't think I've had the desire to burn down Nintendo's headquarters more than when I first tried Brawl wi-fi. Melee having copy characters? That's the most idiotic statement I've ever read. Ganondorf played NOTHING like Captain Falcon. And just try to tell me Fox and Falco played the same. I'll laugh you out of this thread. In fact, Brawl's character moveset has WAY more copied moves than Melee. Wolf's upsmash is the same as Sonic's u air for instance. There are DOZENS of copied moves in Brawl I'm just too lazy to name them all.
My group of friends are actually the same. Plus we use items! (Barring the hammer and recovery items, everything else is fair game)I know tons of casuals who like Melee over Brawl, just as I know tons of casuals who like Brawl over Melee and a select few who like 64 over melee and brawl (i know right!?).
HEEHEEHEEHOOHOO! HAHAHAHEHEHOHO!!!ok Why Say Brawls Wi-fi Isnt A Reason. Brawl Has Wi-fi Melee Doesnt. Ganondorf Played Alot Like Capton Falcon. His Moves Where The Exact Same Except They Looked Different. Fox And Falco Were The Exact Same Character Pretty Much Exept The Lazerers. Brawls Move Set Doesnt Even Come Close To Melees Copied Moves, In Melee Half The Characters Were Copies With Most Of The Moves The Same While In Brawl Only Abot 10-15 Moves Were Copied.
Very funny -_-^^^^
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My group of friends are actually the same. Plus we use items! (Barring the hammer and recovery items, everything else is fair game)
Yes, we do have Brawl supporters who are a bit... dimwitted *points above me*,
REEEHEHAHEHAHEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaOk why say brawls wi-fi isnt a reason. Brawl has wi-fi melee doesnt. Ganondorf played alot like capton falcon. His moves where the exact same except they looked different. Fox and falco were the exact same character pretty much exept the lazerers. Brawls move set doesnt even come close to melees copied moves, In melee half the characters were copies with most of the moves the same while in brawl only abot 10-15 moves were copied.
Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr. Mario were intended to be in Brawl, but they either ran out of time or gave up on them. The evidence for this is in the code, or as we like to call it "The Forbidden Seven". If you assume the clones Capt. Falcon/Ganondorf, Mario/Dr. Mario, Link/Young Link, Marth/Roy were all the same because their "moves look the same", then you don't deserve to have an opinion on Melee with regards to Brawl. Please get out.Very funny -_-
When they changed this on brawl it made the game better, a lot. Why do you think they took out mewtwo, roy, and Dr. Mario in brawl? The reason is because they were too much of a copy of the other character (except mewtwo but lucario i better then him)
Also you say anyone that plays brawl is ignorant. Thats the stupidest thing if heard all day.
@Variola: WTF?
Nah id rather stay.Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr. Mario were intended to be in Brawl, but they either ran out of time or gave up on them. The evidence for this is in the code, or as we like to call it "The Forbidden Seven". If you assume the clones Capt. Falcon/Ganondorf, Mario/Dr. Mario, Link/Young Link, Marth/Roy were all the same because their "moves look the same", then you don't deserve to have an opinion on Melee with regards to Brawl. Please get out.
Excuse me, I'd like to drive now.
Like several of us have already stated, none of the movesets are the same. Some may look similar, but are often completely different. This does not make Brawl better, because there are many more moves in Brawl that are the exact same between characters than there are in Melee. Your inexperience and ignorance shows that you really don't deserve to post here.Nah id rather stay.
I guarentee you if they put roy, mewtwo, dr. mario, & pichu in brawl their movesets would be totally different. Thats the whole reason nintendo changed the movesets of so many characters.
This was a good response to the thread and it was directed at me so I felt like I should respond to it.Unless you completely strip every unpredictable aspect of SSB from itself, any game can go someone else's way.
Define viable. If you mean that you can hold more successful tournaments with more money and more people involved then unfortunately the answer is SSBB.Presently, Brawl's competitive community is large than melee's, and more people are willing to host a Brawl tournament than a melee one. That means at the current time, Brawl's competitive community is easier to maintain than melee's, making the game more competitively viable than melee.
Clai, this is fine, but like it just shows to all the Melee players that top Brawl players (or at least competitive Brawl players) have only looked as far into the game as we all had before we even heard of L-canceling. That isn't right.Yes, we do have Brawl supporters who are a bit... dimwitted *points above me*, but if we're going to have a serious debate, we're not going anywhere unless each side considers the other side as fair, equal, competitive players. And that's all.
That interview was not a few months ago, it was a few years ago. and he was not talking about Brawl, he was talking about Melee.Clai? Did you miss that interview a few months back? Sakurai said that he didn't want Brawl to emphasize winning. That he didn't want the people who lose to feel bad while winners are happy. he didn't want matches to have a consistent winner (hence tripping or "a special game mechanic that will turn the match in around in my favor" was implemented). He also didn't want to let people have an advantage via WDing (which is why airdodging was changed).
Clai, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not flaming Brawl here. I'm stating facts.
I'm going to quote myself in reply to this: "This is the general mainstream of people who play with their own style and may think that the competitive style of Melee just isn't for them." Jack Keiser said this as well, that the speed of Melee was too quick for people to enjoy it in the casual sense. Adding my own thoughts, if anyone in a casual group were to have even a slight technical advantage over the rest, that person would be poised to win a lot more than other people and that may drive the rest of the group to shun the game alltogether. That may be why Sakurai made these changes- to assure that casual groups of players would be able to enjoy this game and continue playing it without the frustration of losing all the time even if one person was just slightly worse than the other person.Clai? Did you miss that interview a few months back? Sakurai said that he didn't want Brawl to emphasize winning. That he didn't want the people who lose to feel bad while winners are happy. he didn't want matches to have a consistent winner (hence tripping or "a special game mechanic that will turn the match in around in my favor" was implemented). He also didn't want to let people have an advantage via WDing (which is why airdodging was changed).
Clai, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not flaming Brawl here. I'm stating facts.
I agree with you. The people that you describe definately should have their opinions nullified and invalidated. The problem is that the mass of newcomers that think they should be debated when they have elementary-school knowledge is detracting from the number of Brawl supporters who actually have a knowledgable opinion and are making their case for Brawl as a competitive game. As much as you say that it's frustrating to explain your side of the debate, we have to explain our terms of the debate while at the same time trying to keep our credibility while morons shred the Brawl community's respectability away.Clai, this is fine, but like it just shows to all the Melee players that top Brawl players (or at least competitive Brawl players) have only looked as far into the game as we all had before we even heard of L-canceling. That isn't right. Can you word this better please? I don't know what you mean.
It's very often (and when I used to actually monitor this thread it was daily) that someone who had no idea what competitive Melee was would come into this thread and tell us what the game was all about. It's very frustrating to have to explain the terms of the debate to people, and an opinion is far more likely to be worthless if the person offering it has no idea what he's talking about.
This one about Brawl outlines Sakurai's mindset when making the game: Iwata AsksThat interview was not a few months ago, it was a few years ago. and he was not talking about Brawl, he was talking about Melee.
And that interview about Melee was used by Gimpyfish to critisice Brawl in one of his threads.
That makes no sense. You think just because brawl is for casual people means that they suck and cant compete competitively? Your so wrong, their are tons of brawl tournaments now, probally more than melee. You melee fans keep saying people that like brawl are idiots and yet you have barely any reasons to support that.for casual players who know and accept that they won't get into the competitive system. People who know that they can't play competitively and won't accept that are known as scrubs, and they should be ignored and castrated.
[/B] I'm sorry that your side has to do much more filtering to find our valid points in the seas of ignorant Brawl idiots than our side. That's just the nature of today's ADD-filled, crappy song like "I Kissed a Girl" - loving society.
That makes no sense. You think just because brawl is for casual people means that they suck and cant compete competitively? Your so wrong, their are tons of brawl tournaments now, probally more than melee. You melee fans keep saying people that like brawl are idiots and yet you have barely any reasons to support that.
First off, Clai is a Brawl supporter. He also did not accuse all Brawl players of being casuals who can't play on a competitive level. He simply said that there are people who play competitively and like the playstyle Brawl encourages, there are people who play it for fun because they can't play on a competitive level and accept that fact, and there are people who think they can play on a competitive level but don't accept the fact that they are just awful at the game.That makes no sense. You think just because brawl is for casual people means that they suck and cant compete competitively? Your so wrong, their are tons of brawl tournaments now, probally more than melee. You melee fans keep saying people that like brawl are idiots and yet you have barely any reasons to support that.
Melee fans play Brawl, even though they say Melee is better.That makes no sense. You think just because brawl is for casual people means that they suck and cant compete competitively? Your so wrong, their are tons of brawl tournaments now, probally more than melee. You melee fans keep saying people that like brawl are idiots and yet you have barely any reasons to support that.
See, there you melee fans go again *facepalm*.... do you read posts...
The answer to the above statement is: NO YOU DONT.
Im sick of these brawl noobs jesus...
Dark Knight Pwns btw...... just amazing...
If you don't want to be stereotyped by Melee fans, maybe you shouldn't do the same to them.See, there you melee fans go again *facepalm*
Im not. I never say "melee players suck" I simply say that melee fans say that too much.If you don't want to be stereotyped by Melee fans, maybe you shouldn't do the same to them.