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learning and getting experience was the fun part of melee for me. I got in like a few years late when tink and ppl already knew about the techs and was the worst in the crew but, I stuck with it and became 2nd best in my crew.
I can't watch brawl matches they are just too boring.
Care to elaborate?
Fancy words for "let go of the past and live in the present". Reminiscing about good times doesn't blind us to the present, it provides a basis for which to compare to the present.
That's very true, but I think what Vaul is trying to say is that regardless of whether or not 'new' and 'old' should factor into the discussion, it does anyway. Brawl should have been measured by its own merits first and compared to its predecessors second, but the opposite happened and because Melee was the entrenched game, many people fell into the pitfall of dismissing it because it was different instead of why it was different. After all, if you don't enjoy it, you don't enjoy it, but there are people who didn't (from the sounds of it) even give the game that chance because it wasn't Melee; the 'Melee 2.0' argument had to start somewhere, right?
The "Melee 2.0" argument, pardon my saying so, was started by idiots. I cannot disagree more strongly with this point, most of the people that dislike Brawl dislike it because so many things are blatantly wrong with it, and it is blatantly meant to be a gaming experience where anyone can win.
lulz .
Very true.
Yes, actually. Things were made smoother, you could react faster, the roster was evened so that there are few to no useless characters, the roster also added many characters, the graphics were improved, you can now grab the edge from BOTH sides(seasoned fighters WOULD turn around if it were to save their lives), no directional airdodging (it makes more sense, really, which is why I like it. Why couldn't you dodge multiple times in the air? And why would you be able to give yourself momentum at the last minute? This also, however, removed one of our best spacing tools), and the ledge grab range was widened (I don't think it needed to be as wide as Brawl's, but you don't have to practically inside the ledge before grabbing it as was done in Melee).
They would have to throw out online possibility then. Something I doubt that they'll give up so easily.
Mostly due to the game being slower than Melee in general.
I don't feel that Melee had a single useless character. There were only those characters that were used less often than others.
In my opinion, this dumbed down edgeguarding and recovering. While this made grabbing the edge easier, edgehogging's usefulness was toned down.
In Melee, you can air-dodge in a certain direction, but if you were off the stage you'd fall to your death. In Brawl, you can air-dodge multiple times, but only in the direction that your character has momentum. If you could air-dodge multiple times in Melee, it would have been abused to the point that it would have probably replaced certain character's recoveries altogether. The fact that you can control your direction and give yourself momentum in Melee added a nuance to the game: it was another method for recovering. Popo's use of the air-dodge as a recovery was necessary if Nana was dead, but it was also used by other characters as an alternative to a predictable up-B recovery move.
If by "even" you mean the characters are on a more even playing field, I'll have to disagree with you. Brawl's tiers, while not defined clearly yet, will most likely be even more static and unchanging than Melee's tiers.
None of the SSB games are meant to be competition based, but playing it as it was meant to be played defeats the whole purpose of exploring the game and delving into it as deeply as people delved into Melee. What frustrates me most is that it seems like Nintendo purposely made an attempt to force everyone to play as it was meant to be played, rather than offering a choice.
Wave maneuvers? You mean wavedashing, lol? That's only one thing, and while it did add some spacing and maneuvering options, it really isn't the end all be all maneuver of Melee. Sure, not having it lessens it a little, but the core gameplay of the game will not be affected.
Not just wavedashing but also L-cancelling, and the many other mid-air dodge techniques. These made the spacies gods of melee.
You're making idiotic generalizations about what makes the game more enjoyable.
The air-dodge techniques consisted of: wavedashing and wavelanding.
L-canceling was an intentional feature of both 64 and Melee. They were also going to include it in Brawl, if you don't remember, but removed it probably due to the fact that it would not work with online play, not to how the actual game played in of itself.
You make it sound like advanced techs put Fox and Falco out of reach of every other character, which is not true. Virtually every character benefited from advanced techs.
Nintendo did no such thing to dictate tournament rules, and tournament matches are much more entertaining to watch without adding the randomness of these "party aspects".
To be fair, falco and fox were the biggest beneficiaries of wavedashing after Luigi, Ice Climbers, and Mewtwo. Wavedashing is essential for basic fox combos (aerial > waveshine > upsmash/grab) and falco combos on fastfallers (cancelling the shine with a wavedash allows you to chase their DI better).
Only because of the shine and that their traction allows for wd just long enough for comboing and their jumps are fast enough to allow wavedash to come out fast enough. Bowser jumping speed... it just wouldn't work for fox, lol.
