KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
sooo when is the money match lol?
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Recovery Tier List
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A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
This message is hidden because this topic is now a ****pile.
I hope everyone had fun.
So its gotten to the point where I have to say, go off-topic and you'll be infracted.
Stay on topic.
So its gotten to the point where I have to say, go off-topic and you'll be infracted.
Stay on topic.
unknown522
Some guy
I have to see this so I can laugh at PC Jona get *****.
me too.
ROM 2. I think.
otg
Smash Master
quiet you. I was referring to the scrubs talking ****.
THeDarKnesS
Smash Journeyman
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Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
This thread is terrible.
Laijin
Smash Hero
lol Marth has terrible recovery. Young Link's recovery is better. He can't get caped and it has a ton of range. Plus he has dat hookshot.
WHO THE HELL IS PC JONA?
First I just gotta say...this thread is ****ing terrible. Some of you actually believe Ganon and Kirby have good recoveries? You're crazy.
Now onto more seriousness
My list:
Top Tier: Jigglypuff
High Tier: Peach, Pichu, Pikachu, Fox
Upper Tier: Mewtwo, Samus, Young Link, Mr. Game & Watch,
High Middle Tier: Sheik ,Mario , Marth
Middle Tier:Link, Zelda, Luigi, Ice Climbers,Dr. Mario, Ganondorf
Low Middle Tier: Falco, Yoshi,
Low Tier: Captain Falcon, Kirby
Bottom Tier: Donkey Kong, Bowser, Popo, Roy, Ness
Ness has the worst recovery in the game. Hands down. DK and Bowser only go horizontal meaning a meteor spike will always kill them.
WHO THE HELL IS PC JONA?
First I just gotta say...this thread is ****ing terrible. Some of you actually believe Ganon and Kirby have good recoveries? You're crazy.
Now onto more seriousness
My list:
Top Tier: Jigglypuff
High Tier: Peach, Pichu, Pikachu, Fox
Upper Tier: Mewtwo, Samus, Young Link, Mr. Game & Watch,
High Middle Tier: Sheik ,Mario , Marth
Middle Tier:Link, Zelda, Luigi, Ice Climbers,Dr. Mario, Ganondorf
Low Middle Tier: Falco, Yoshi,
Low Tier: Captain Falcon, Kirby
Bottom Tier: Donkey Kong, Bowser, Popo, Roy, Ness
Ness has the worst recovery in the game. Hands down. DK and Bowser only go horizontal meaning a meteor spike will always kill them.
Laijin
Smash Hero
Uhh..pretty sure M2's recovery is better than Fox's.
Falco's recovery is terrible.
Mario has a cape
ggs
Falco's recovery is terrible.
Mario has a cape
ggs
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
that list is bad laijin.
how is m2 in upper tier. and worse than fox?
jiggz isn't a tier above mewtwo either.
falco has a good recovery.
dk can meteor and instantly you are in a bad position.
bowser not so much.
how is m2 in upper tier. and worse than fox?
jiggz isn't a tier above mewtwo either.
falco has a good recovery.
dk can meteor and instantly you are in a bad position.
bowser not so much.
Stevo
Smash Champion
that's the point, you put fox above mewtwo
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Just so you cant deny it later lol.
ALso ur dumb and super biased. obviously a trolling list. YL above link. Shorter grapple, no irrelevant super jump, no bomb jump, smaller sword equals yea right. also yl isnt that high. Also I can see samus being lower but u just moved her off some bs u just made up. the same **** that makes YL have the best recover aside from the ppl who have good ones lol.
Laijin
Smash Hero
Fortress | Sveet
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i still thing i ammy list is the best
Rappster
Smash Ace
i think that vertical distance, horizontal distance, and safety should all be equally rated.
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
Perhaps actual mathematical calculations need to be implemented?
Those were good examples, what about if we could analyze it without bias?
Otherwise, this thread just increases post count.
Those were good examples, what about if we could analyze it without bias?
Otherwise, this thread just increases post count.
S l o X
Smash Champion
who needs a good recovery when you have lasers that completely shut down your momentum?
best character in the game.
/loljk
best character in the game.
/loljk
BigWenz
Smash Ace
id assume this joke u were referring to falco and i personally feel (all jokes aside) if falco had foxs up b - length and hitboxes on start up he'd be the best character in the game (no questions asked) / borderline broken
@laijin wow u def fcked up on that recovery tier list i dont see how game n watch is that high. i mean yea his up b has ridiculous vert but thats all it really has going for it. it has no mixups what so ever like at least with falcon when he up b's he can double back to the stage quickly since he falls so fast while if u tried that with game n watch ur just gonna get owned.
also donkey kong shouldn be that low. i dont know if its cause i suck or what but that up b is a ***** and a half to edgeguard.
and what makes mario's recovery better than luigis but docs less than luigis unless luigi = doc in terms of recovery in ur chart. this is probably just my bias as a doc main but i feel that docs recovery is better even though he doesnt get the as high a lift from caping or tornadoing.
oh and falco is waay to low
Laijin
Smash Hero
I said to disregard my list jeeez >___>
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
yea really there should be 3 lists and an overall.
vertical horizontal safety then the tier list which is a combination of the 3. if people are serious about making a real recovery tier list im in. but other wise my list is perfect until somebody has a good reason to move somebody, then its perfect again lol.
There's no way to calculate it.
This thread is now coal.
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
I could see it working if researchers used raw, mathematical data.
But, I have a vivid imagination and this won't happen for obvious reasons.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
ITs not even necessary. You can estimate pretty dam well the practical maximum vertical and horizontal distances.
the safety aspect is not based purely on raw data and is a give or take.
the safety aspect is not based purely on raw data and is a give or take.
Fortress | Sveet
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If u check M2K's old stats list, he probably already ranked all that ****.
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
Without solid, computated mathematical data, bias exists.
Figures don't lie, it's the most successfully implemented method.
Like with analyzing frames, we could use solid data and archive the information into a series of aspects.
*Edit* Really? Sveet, could you link me to his list?
Figures don't lie, it's the most successfully implemented method.
Like with analyzing frames, we could use solid data and archive the information into a series of aspects.
*Edit* Really? Sveet, could you link me to his list?
no there's just no way to rate them. There's more than just height and movement to a recovery. There's speed, invinciblity, fall speed, landing lag, # of jumps, super armor (lol yoshi). None of these can ever be assigned numbers of any significance. Even if you could, every recovery can be good or bad depending on the match up. And then how do you relate all these numbers together to get one number for a recovery?
You can't. You can't avoid bias when you're talking about this subject. Just accept that there aren't going to be black and white answers. This thread is just to see if enough people's opinions coincide to make some kind of shaky list that not too many relevant people disagree with.
You can't. You can't avoid bias when you're talking about this subject. Just accept that there aren't going to be black and white answers. This thread is just to see if enough people's opinions coincide to make some kind of shaky list that not too many relevant people disagree with.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
The reason this **** doesnt work is because ppl never focus on the goal. The list below is decent. Its not perfect. It could use some tweaks. Its a good starting point imo lol.
Focus on rating the characters, not some bs about how to obtain mathematical data that shows who gets the most distance when we take that and add opinion to it to create the final list anyway.
Focus on rating the characters, not some bs about how to obtain mathematical data that shows who gets the most distance when we take that and add opinion to it to create the final list anyway.
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here, just stating wishful thinking.
Mind Trick
Smash Ace
yoshi cant get gimped lol
how is that below sopopo (or anyone in low for that matter) lmao
how is that below sopopo (or anyone in low for that matter) lmao
Well then there wouldn't be pointless arguing like this on swf
And life would be pretty dull
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
Life would be pretty dull.
Or we could get out more. One or the other.
Or we could get out more. One or the other.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
@mind trick-so that should place him where then in your opinion? and of course its a double edge sword. He cannot be gimped, while having his second jump.
Without it. its auto gimp from like anywhere lol.
Without it. its auto gimp from like anywhere lol.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
The falling part of yoshis second jump I think the super armour goes away. if you get hit u have no way to recover except airdodge.
BigWenz
Smash Ace
this is almost 100% accurate if u shine yoshi as falco it stops his momentum dead in its tracks so u can gimp yoshi as falco
however at higher percents i think up airs always knock yoshi out of his second jump but at that point i wouldn call it a gimp but just killing him (dont quote me on that but im pretty sure they always do)
Oh god I had no idea.
I thought yoshi got his 2nd jump back after he got hit after super armor faded though..
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
oh god no lol. when u use the second jump and get hit after the armor or get knocked out of it.
u don't have an up b to recover with.
u don't have an up b to recover with.
Nogzor'z
Smash Journeyman
nope... that only happens in brawl...
Yoshi's up b does not act as a recovery boost of any sorts. (except to grab the ledge while facing away)
Yoshi's up b does not act as a recovery boost of any sorts. (except to grab the ledge while facing away)