Project M Social Thread

[shanus]

@InferiorityComplex - His recovery is still among the best in the game in PM. With his HA being better, cancellable on hit, its really a matter of execution. He can recovery very well still, so I doubt thats really a true matter of concern.

@ulevo - no, offense up doesnt impact articles. Character pac Variables cannot communicate with articles

 

[Revven]

I don't know if this a glitch that Brawl had before modification, but I thought I'd report it anyways:

Me and a friend were playing on Delfino, and we came to the shine sprite tower. He was in the air, if I recall correctly (could b wrong tho). As the platform came to a rest on the tower, he fell through the center of the stage. As in, the exact center; he was in the area with the spinning sprite.

Like I said, not sure if this is an issue with Brawl or P:M, but there it is.

That's an issue with Brawl, not our doing. Go look up some videos, you'll be sure to find some. I really doubt we can fix it either.

 

[PurDi]

That was in brawl. I can't remember why it happens but its in the stage glitch thread.

Grrrrr..... ninja'd

 

[Ulevo]

Our main beef (IIRC) is with his recovery, it's not nearly as good in PM. Then again, I'm the one without the hack, so meh.

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WAT.

Um. Sonic probably has the best recovery in the entire demo. And will likely have one of the best recoveries in the game. The only reason his recovery would be otherwise inferior is because this isn't Brawl and we're not playing Smash in outer space anymore.

Have you even SEEN Project: M Sonic?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Smash in outer space.

Lylat Cruise.

 

[MK26]

Discussing this project on my site's forums, and this topic came up. Have you guys worked with Kirby yet, and are you willing to divulge any info on what you've changed/plan to change? A friend of mine who mained Kirby in Melee brought it up, and I thought he had some good points...

Obviously you don't need to post everything you've done/plan to do, just some of the key things you think will help him against the top tiers, if you can.

nvm
found it
added it

I would reply to stingers, but I know he wouldn't be able to view in here anyways. Troll is a troll.

he's room-banned? ahaha

 

[SonioNineteen]

Is anyone here having trouble trying to go on Warioware stage
because everytime I try to go on it. It would keep on crashing
At first I thought the one I got is currupted so I try downloading a new one ,no luck
Then I thought it could be my custom music on the stage so I deleted it and still no luck

Any help would be appreciated

Edit: Thanks Falco400
That did the trick

 

[Revven]

If it's crashing, you're probably having My Music problems, go get the My Music reset code for Warioware to fix it.

 

[A2ZOMG]

You additoinally can't expect fitcharacter.pac to be brief, especially when your rebuilding characters in complex ways at time. Expecting to be brief on a character like falco, as a n example, is outright silly. When you need to compres a normal reflector (which has 4 actions) into 1 measly actionID, its natural our changes can be complicated. PM is a complicated project, so its only understandable that some edits are complicated.

When you're doing things like suggesting Link's N-air hitbox ends on frame 99 when in fact the total duration of the move is iirc 39 frames if I read it correctly on BrawlBox, it's just misleading for no reason. There's a number of other moves which are arbitrarily sped up and slowed down, presumably because it was easier to do than touching up animations directly, though in most cases it matters less when IASA windows are coded, though I still don't exactly like having to handle more numbers than I need to.

I consider it very important to understand the frame data behind actions in order to figure out approximately how practical various tech tricks are, so in future releases, I would request that the FitCharacter.pac commands are cleaned up.

Balancewise, besides Link, everyone seems decent enough. I feel that Link still suffers from being too slow and not really powerful enough, outside of having those juggles on fastfallers. The Boomerang also has minor issues whiffing completely in point blank range (tested on Falco).

 

[Supreme Dirt]

You're screwing A2Z up.

He might actually have to play in order to know how the game plays.

 

[shanus]

Well, I don't know why it's there, (likely an artifact of something somebody was testing - it'll be removed though). I doubt there is much messiness in other pac files though, do you have other examples A2Z, or is Link's file the only occurrence?

Is there some part of coding thats unclear to you regarding a characters specific frame data?

 

[A2ZOMG]

If we're talking messy, most of the files have random Nop: commands that don't really need to be there. Not really a big deal, similarly random things like Link's N-air being listed to have a hitbox duration for 99 frames doesn't really do much, just it means I need to take another step to figure out what's actually going on in his move.

Reading frame speed changes is annoying, and there's plenty of those on spotdodges.

I probably felt especially inclined to complain about weird frame data changes given that there were quite a few of them on Mario's pac. Spotdodge, B-air, F-smash all have frame speed changes that are really weird (granted, they make sense when I input it all on a calculator, but I prefer things to be easier to read).

I can understand that at the time it's probably easier to simply change frame speeds rather than editing animations, but I would definitely appreciate if Project M would make their changes with regards to frame data easier to understand.

 

[Shadic]

The Nops are included to manage file size. If we delete a line and then go back and need to re-add a line, it increases file-size. That is not the case if we simply nop it.

The Link Nair is odd, but is already fixed in our build.

Also note that this is a demo, and not everything is explicitly designed to be easy to navigate/read. Some of it is indeed done as "shortcuts" to get the desired effect.

 

[shanus]

Also, using frame speed lines can be more effective in the cases of spot dodges rather than editing animations in which case we might need to adjust keyframes. In some cases, its just a simple, better way, to manage file sizes where for many characters we'd be at a limit.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Yeah. Interlopating becomes incredibly evil when you remove frames without modifying keyframes.

 

[MK26]

Yeah. Interloping becomes incredibly evil when you remove frames without modifying keyframes.

in·ter·lope
   /ˌɪntərˈloʊp, ˈɪntərˌloʊp/ [in-ter-lohp, in-ter-lohp]
–verb (used without object), -loped, -lop·ing.
1. to intrude into some region or field of trade without a proper license.
2. to thrust oneself into the affairs of others.

in·ter·po·late
   /ɪnˈtɜrpəˌleɪt/ [in-tur-puh-leyt]
verb, -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to introduce (something additional or extraneous) between other things or parts; interject; interpose; intercalate.
2. Mathematics . to insert, estimate, or find an intermediate term in (a sequence).
3. to alter (a text) by the insertion of new matter, especially deceptively or without authorization.
4. to insert (new or spurious matter) in this manner.

10extrapolations

 

[curry9186]

I just did a fox vs falco game. Falco won and when we got to the results page, he said "You'll never beat me, Fox." Has he always done that? I've never noticed it before.

 

[Yamitsuki]

Mk26, your definitions you posted are very he/she said worthy.

Yes, falco has always had that with fox.

 

[MK26]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/interlope
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/interpolate

 

[crush]

ill probably have a mini combo video up tomorrow

 

[MissingNo.]

Been playing all weekend, really love it.

Question, I've seen this mentioned earlier, but, WD with Falco and sometimes Puff seems extremely awkward to me, and I main Puff/Falco in Melee. I played Melee a bunch this weekend too just to see if it was me. My wavedashing is fine with Fox, Captain, Sonic, Mario, etc. Is this because I am pressing the R trigger too hard? Does it need just a light press, or the jump need a light press? Is it possible to have this changed?

 

[Ugg]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297664

Taking a stab.

 

[GHNeko]

Been playing all weekend, really love it.

Question, I've seen this mentioned earlier, but, WD with Falco and sometimes Puff seems extremely awkward to me, and I main Puff/Falco in Melee. I played Melee a bunch this weekend too just to see if it was me. My wavedashing is fine with Fox, Captain, Sonic, Mario, etc. Is this because I am pressing the R trigger too hard? Does it need just a light press, or the jump need a light press? Is it possible to have this changed?

landing detection

 

[Msingh0]

landing detection

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[FireBall Stars]

I am loving this demo, only after some seconds I could translate all of my melee skill into the game, it was magical *-*

Mario is currently perfect if we don't count the landing detection limitations, sh bair waveland, double jump double fireball waveland. And Lucas, he's just BEAST!

I have some questions, are you guys sure that you can't ledgetech? I did bounced on the ledge many times during recovery e didn't used tech because I thought I couldn't. The cpu made a very similar tech but it was over the ledge a little and it was a meteor smash so I really don't know.

Couldn't the code that Brawl+ used for ledgetech be of any help?

Also, Wavedashing towards a rising slope reduces the length of the WD, you guys couln't fix that or it was overlooked?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You can ledge-tech, you just can't ASDI towards the stage when being hit by an edge-guarder to do it.

 

[standardtoaster]

http://j-tv.me/e5uE7S streaming full build

 

[FireBall Stars]

You can ledge-tech, you just can't ASDI towards the stage when being hit by an edge-guarder to do it.

That explains everything.

 

[Revven]

These are some pretty nice matches posted by my good buddy King Beef from NEOH:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqANU_19iUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIKe8p4z1gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPtsjNKYJQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD5yUgWbUBM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMXdfV93FE4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av1P_3Ams7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTWfGA8Ezb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIFYQ5I37A4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HahrEJ360-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOQM2PKp1FI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDzlbN66qXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_CSkAVGlps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgySDbQuC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gTX2oeR7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXfpCV_Ce5M

I am not in any of these matches (they are mostly vs Link).

 

[Life]

Re: Sonic's recovery.

I for one have watched several vids of PM Sonic and haven't seen HA used once (though I'm aware it's improved due to the site). Problem is that spotdodging/airdodging when it fires makes you plummet. So, unless that was changed without me noticing (still working on getting PM on my Wii BTW, I'll be checking all these details out if I can pull that off) HA doesn't really help recovery much--though if an opponent dodges with poor timing it is still useful, that applies to vanilla as well.

We also didn't like his spring animation, but gladly that seems to be fixed. :D

 

[PurDi]

http://j-tv.me/e5uE7S streaming full build

wtf... I'm blocked from justin.tv I didn't do anything.

 

[curry9186]

I just accidently learned how to wavebounce. Lucas now defies all logic.

 

[IYM!]

hey Falco 400 thanks for those all mathes

 

[Xinc]

lmao. almost to 2000 posts.

 

[Yamitsuki]

Uh, that is the page count. More like approaching the 30,000 posts mark.

 

[MK26]

inb4 40ppp

 

[link2702]

a suggestion to all the folks on the on PM team...

anytime you see any folks who say they can't understand where brawl has "balance" issues and how the gameplay is just fine how it is, so "why would anyone wanna change it?"

show them this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hjMKtbPUA&t=4m16s

losing a tourny match from a trip....

on alot of the websites i've been lurking that have PM news up on em, everyoen just seems to say that "brawl has balance issues" but doesn't really explain them to the casuals/non-competitives there, i'm not saying you have to go out and explain every last detail, but maybe give a few examples of some of the things that made brawl such a disapointment for people, i myself, having been in the brawl scene for quite awhile, know all too well about alot of em; but casuals/non-competitives don't.


ok....now on topic of PM....;

i know that link's boomerang lost its gale effect in PM, are you guys planning on(somehow..) using that tornado animation for hyrule castle to bring back the tornado that sucked folks up in it? the only match i saw played there, was a really old one and obviously that stage hazard wasnt there...

also, on characters that have jab infinates, are you guys re-adding the "push" effect from melee, where for instance if you hit someone with the jab infinate like say links or c.falcons, against a wall, eventually it would slowly push c.falcon or link away from their oppenent in the jab?

sorry if either of these have already been answered or are already in game....i haven't actually got to play PM just yet....

 

[Pimpfish]

so whats with all the hate on the sonic boards? that is wack.

 

[MonkUnit]

i know that link's boomerang lost its gale effect in PM, are you guys planning on(somehow..) using that tornado animation for hyrule castle to bring back the tornado that sucked folks up in it? the only match i saw played there, was a really old one and obviously that stage hazard wasnt there...

also, on characters that have jab infinates, are you guys re-adding the "push" effect from melee, where for instance if you hit someone with the jab infinate like say links or c.falcons, against a wall, eventually it would slowly push c.falcon or link away from their oppenent in the jab?

sorry if either of these have already been answered or are already in game....i haven't actually got to play PM just yet....

It is not possible to add stage hitboxes so that means it is not possible to bring back the tornado on hyrule castle 64.

That push effect is due to colliding hurtboxes, it should already be in brawl IIRC.

 

[R00R]

Check out these Project M friendlies with some of New York's finest Melee players, Im gonna try play with PC chris sometime soon and I will make sure to post those. =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psoqr-Ye_kM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bv0z8nCjiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQz0ChnhO6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otpz56T-YOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK_1W0hIpSo