Project M Social Thread

[OmegaMuffin]

Kumbaya, my Looooord

KUUMBAYAAAAAA

Forealsies. I think Kirby's N64 FAir with some altered stats will help him more than his Melee one with buffs. I remember the BR testing it a while back but I think they took it out.

 

[GP&B]

God dammit guys.

 

[DMG]

I want my money back.

 

[GP&B]

I vote for drinking food to eliminate passive-aggressiveness from this thread now. We need more people calling each other stupid ****s or something.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Wow, Kirby N64 F-Air sounds exciting, mostly because it's something the series hasn't really seen since N64.

 

[leelue]

Was that similar to Sonic's old Fair?

 

[Onomanic]

Wow, Kirby N64 F-Air sounds exciting, mostly because it's something the series hasn't really seen since N64.

Dat boomerang though.

What was that similar to Sonic's old Fair?

Pikachu's fair...? :S

Edited so I look less stupid. Putting words in people's posts is great.

 

[leelue]

Dat Boomarang can suck a mean one for making me so goddamn afraid of it

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Was that similar to Sonic's old Fair?

I suppose so, but it kept people in longer, and you couldn't L-Cancel Sonic F-Air in Brawl. Shield pressure and combo potential would be in full force this way.

 

[Onomanic]

Dat Boomarang can suck a mean one for making me so goddamn afraid of it

Aussie pride.

jk

But srsly. Rangs.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

blu link, Pikachu's F-Air didn't/doesn't drag people with you, though. Still, it is pretty similar in some ways, I agree.

 

[GP&B]

P:M Link has a level 2 Rang Ring equipped.

 

[OmegaMuffin]

I suppose so, but it kept people in longer, and you couldn't L-Cancel Sonic F-Air in Brawl. Shield pressure and combo potential would be in full force this way.

I don't think shield pressure would be as good because N64 l-canceling got rid of all landing lag as opposed to cutting it in half like melee/P:M.

Someone might complain that it's too similar in animation to Jigglypuff's FAir though. Even though they're both puffballs that have short arms and big feet.

 

[Life]

The criteria on what group belongs where is up to the TO, much like how stage lists for smash in general is up to the TO. It's just as complicated on trying to figure out whether a stage is starter/cp worthy or banned/cp worthy when said stage is pretty much borderline, ya know?

on top of that group criteria should be relatively simple to be more encompassing and cultivate stage diversity within the groups to help further prevent ban invalidation.

2-3 stage bans just complicates things more than it should, especially when there aren't enough bans to cover enough of stages to prevent the problem of ban invalidation.

With group banning, you're essentially banning by traits determined by the region/TO.

It's also far more simple than multiple bans, at least i think so.

First: thanks for being mature on the internet. :D

Second: the stagelist being arbitrary TO decisions has always been the case. The problem would come from when tournament A groups together A-E, F-J, and K-O while tournament B groups ACDEF-GHKMN-BIJLO and tournament C groups AEFJO-BCGHN-the rest and tournament D groups ABC-EFG-HIK-LNO-DJM and oh no I've gone cross-eyed. FC had a nice solution--keeping them in rows on the stage select screen--but can every TO do that? Moreover, can you expect the community that apparently can't learn how Randall works to keep track of all of it?

I mean, I'm all for regional ruleset differences (a truly good smasher should be able to win in any ruleset), but I could see problems.

Third: I wouldn't be worried about ban invalidation nearly as much as I'd be worried about CP invalidation. Remember that I come from a Brawl background (you probably know this, but in case anyone here didn't realize that by now); in that game, most places run 10-13 stages AFAIK, with one ban, and other than the thing with MK on Brinstar and RC (which I'm going to use in an example in a minute here) nobody really had a problem with it. Counterpicking is a part of the game; why include it if you're going to neuter it by banning half the stagelist (either by banning the stages outright or providing so many stage bans that they don't matter)?

Upon thinking about it, I'd like to propose a compromise:

1. Wait for the metagame to develop for a while, or maybe for the full release, IDK.
2. Keep track of what stages are used for what.
3. If a few stages cause the same problem (eg. MK being very good on both RC and Brinstar in vbrawl) group them.
4. Allow the option of banning a group together, or any individual stage.

So if (semi-arbitrary example) Metal Cavern, Randall, and GHZ all turn out to make Ike really OP together, you could group them and give the option of banning the group instead of banning any one stage.

You should not, however, attempt to group everything, because not everything needs grouped.

In other words, at tournament L, your groups are:
ABC-D-E-F-G-etc. and you ban two.

Sound good?

 

[DrinkingFood]

I vote for drinking food to eliminate passive-aggressiveness from this thread now. We need more people calling each other stupid ****s or something.

So you'd rather we just flat out argue? Works for me.
Don't think there's anything I can do here though. I don't know the origin of the FC stagelist.
But I will be the villain Gotham this thread needs.
JC, nobody cares about your dumb as **** stagelist so why would you even argue where it came from. It just assumes to much on the part of the players when banning, and you think you know everything they're going to ban? Try again. You're not that good. Also ROB is **** and you're a bad dev.
And GHNeko, your inabilities to hold large scale tournaments are you own ****ing fault so stop whining about it and pretending that's the only thing that stops you from "owning" the group system. Like why would you even want to. It sucks balls. To know that you even helped create it lowers my opinion of you.

 

[Kink-Link5]

I drew JC and Neko making up.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I drew JC and Neko making up.

Flagged for inappropriate content.

Metal Cavern is the best stage.

 

[Metà]

metal cavern is a tiny stage with an enormous blastzone

i love being a floaty there

 

[GHNeko]

I drew JC and Neko making up.

ಠ_ಠ


100/10 amazing troll im mad as ****

 

[Dingding123]

So you'd rather we just flat out argue? Works for me.
Don't think there's anything I can do here though. I don't know the origin of the FC stagelist.
But I will be the villain Gotham this thread needs.
JC, nobody cares about your dumb as **** stagelist so why would you even argue where it came from. It just assumes to much on the part of the players when banning, and you think you know everything they're going to ban? Try again. You're not that good. Also ROB is **** and you're a bad dev.
And GHNeko, your inabilities to hold large scale tournaments are you own ****ing fault so stop whining about it and pretending that's the only thing that stops you from "owning" the group system. Like why would you even want to. It sucks balls. To know that you even helped create it lowers my opinion of you.

drinkin a little too much of sumthin

 

[DMG]

He's drinking food


Bad things are bound to happen

 

[shanus]

my god. best post ever.

 

[Dingding123]

my god. best post ever.

thx

but ya that's kinda gross. Also bound to be tails doll in disguise

 

[GHNeko]

So you'd rather we just flat out argue? Works for me.
Don't think there's anything I can do here though. I don't know the origin of the FC stagelist.
But I will be the villain Gotham this thread needs.
JC, nobody cares about your dumb as **** stagelist so why would you even argue where it came from. It just assumes to much on the part of the players when banning, and you think you know everything they're going to ban? Try again. You're not that good. Also ROB is **** and you're a bad dev.
And GHNeko, your inabilities to hold large scale tournaments are you own ****ing fault so stop whining about it and pretending that's the only thing that stops you from "owning" the group system. Like why would you even want to. It sucks balls. To know that you even helped create it lowers my opinion of you.

10/10

Kappa.

 

[Rikana]

This page made me laugh so much.

 

[GHNeko]

This is probably the funniest page in all of PMGen since it's inception.

 

[DrinkingFood]

But there's else nothing on it.

Spoiler

oh wait that's why it's good

 

[Dingding123]

But there's else nothing on it.

wev got our work cut out for us mentlgin

 

[Rikana]

Let's not post that picture anymore, please.

 

[MonkUnit]

Btw


Pirate Ship / Ship of Fools.....


Coincidence? I THINK NOT!


(Quick someone help me change the subject!)

I asked KishPrime if they added Pirate Ship to the FC stagelist because it's sort of a stage for the Ship of Fools because it's a ship stage. He said it wasn't because it's a ship stage for the Ship of Fools lol. IIRC he sarcastically said it was a legitimate CP and should be used at all PM tournaments.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Oh wait I'm using the default thread set up I forgot not everybody uses the same number of posts per thread.

 

[Stevo]

I drew JC and Neko making up.

lol!

amazing

 

[Kink-Link5]

Jeez guys.

Way to kill it.

 

[Oneupsalesman]

Hi, I'm a Marth main.

This thread kind of sucks right now, I'll be back when people can talk about something besides nerfing and buffing.

 

[GHNeko]

First: thanks for being mature on the internet. :D

:V

Second: the stagelist being arbitrary TO decisions has always been the case. The problem would come from when tournament A groups together A-E, F-J, and K-O while tournament B groups ACDEF-GHKMN-BIJLO and tournament C groups AEFJO-BCGHN-the rest and tournament D groups ABC-EFG-HIK-LNO-DJM and oh no I've gone cross-eyed. FC had a nice solution--keeping them in rows on the stage select screen--but can every TO do that? Moreover, can you expect the community that apparently can't learn how Randall works to keep track of all of it?

Are you talking about the visual layout? I think that's a minor issue. The SSS can be rearranged and the TO can let players know a head of time so they can prepare themselves, or provide them with the right files needed. :V

Granted, if you want the convenience of a visual representation of groups.

I mean, I'm all for regional ruleset differences (a truly good smasher should be able to win in any ruleset), but I could see problems.

Third: I wouldn't be worried about ban invalidation nearly as much as I'd be worried about CP invalidation. Remember that I come from a Brawl background (you probably know this, but in case anyone here didn't realize that by now); in that game, most places run 10-13 stages AFAIK, with one ban, and other than the thing with MK on Brinstar and RC (which I'm going to use in an example in a minute here) nobody really had a problem with it. Counterpicking is a part of the game; why include it if you're going to neuter it by banning half the stagelist (either by banning the stages outright or providing so many stage bans that they don't matter)?

Ban/CP invalidation is an issue because it causes the community to shrink the stagelists in order to help curb it. If you can't stop ban/CP invalidation then the CP system that we use becomes skewed in a poor way. What would be the point of banning a particular stage with certain traits if there is another stage with 90% of the same traits? It's not an issue of trying to remove CPing, but preserve how CPing works by removing things that would **** with CPing but keeping a large stage list.

Upon thinking about it, I'd like to propose a compromise:

1. Wait for the metagame to develop for a while, or maybe for the full release, IDK.
2. Keep track of what stages are used for what.
3. If a few stages cause the same problem (eg. MK being very good on both RC and Brinstar in vbrawl) group them.
4. Allow the option of banning a group together, or any individual stage.

So if (semi-arbitrary example) Metal Cavern, Randall, and GHZ all turn out to make Ike really OP together, you could group them and give the option of banning the group instead of banning any one stage.

This is legitimate way to organize stages by traits/ccategory, but we dont have to wait until then just to enact methods of using group banning.

You should not, however, attempt to group everything, because not everything needs grouped.

In other words, at tournament L, your groups are:
ABC-D-E-F-G-etc. and you ban two.

If that's how a TO wants to do it, then they can do it, but it complicates the whole process.

Sound good?

i'd also like to say that JCz method of banning stages is not the same as mine, and I believe mine is more efficient in the long run of CPing.

 

[ELI-mination]

Marth has a sword.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Roy has teh ph1r3

 

[Kink-Link5]

Marth has a sword.

Marth's sword doesn't seem to be netting him many victories in this game. Marth mains need to step it up and start spacing better.

 

[leelue]

Neko, what was your issue with having multiple bans?

 

[DMG]

M2K lost that game

JIGGLYPUFFFFFFF

I like Marth vs a lot of the new characters. I'd play him more but it's SO HARD getting rid of the urge to Fair all the time and to space/dash dance more. He gets a lot better if you play him patiently enough but you just wanna go in a lot with him. I'm def using him vs Lucario though that MU has gotta be frustrating for Lucario.