PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Construct]

he's hinted at going Marth on me a lot

PP and Mango Marth ditto in GFs. Calling it now.

 

[Bones0]

Why would PP go Marth vs. Mango's Marth?

 

[Deleted member]

just move the first frame u can always

this is the mindset i have and still have, but it's exploitable by people changing up timings making u get stuck

unless ur used to almost every situation

for example, mango is not a scrub who shield pressures at the speed of light like every generic spacey, by mixing up slow and fast on moves with fast startups you make it really hard to move on that first frame that i try to achieve

 

[Dr Peepee]

It's better to learn the habits of those pressuring you than focusing on moving quickly on its own. If you know what someone is going to try and do, then you have more leeway with how you get around these things.

Keep in mind that effective pressure rarely comes in regular intervals, so regularly timed escape attempts can be hard to handle(assuming you don't telegraph it).

 

[Cummings]

hey guys i was just uh wondering if anyone could check out this quick set I played with a nearby player a lil' while back. It was a very exciting match for me as I usually get 3 stocked by this guy, but the ending still had me a little frustrated. any tips would be great! specially regarding the ending to game 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5PrcIyvZ7g&feature=channel&list=UL

 

[Bones0]

hey guys i was just uh wondering if anyone could check out this quick set I played with a nearby player a lil' while back. It was a very exciting match for me as I usually get 3 stocked by this guy, but the ending still had me a little frustrated. any tips would be great! specially regarding the ending to game 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5PrcIyvZ7g&feature=channel&list=UL

0:40 - He got behind you and you shielded, and you sort of just sat there spot dodging. I really like just WDing OoS whenever I feel pressured but am not technically being pressured with hitboxes.

0:58 - Those lasers aren't accomplishing anything because you aren't DDing in between them. All you are doing by RSHLing when he's shielding is giving him space to work with. Laser with purpose, and then react to how he's dealing with the laser.

1:10 - Make sure you late aerial. He could have shield grabbed that dair.

1:35 - If you want to DJ after being knocked off the stage, either DJ away, out of the range of their attacks, or DJ towards them with a fair/dair. If you wanted to

1:45 - You had already won the spacing battle and made him shield, so there was no gain from double jumping. At that spacing, you could have done any combination of late aerial, shine, laser, and/or grab.

1:52 - Lasering as you walked off that platform in similar situations can be quite good at putting additional pressure on them out of getup, and it is of no consequence to you, so virtually any time you are landing out of their reach you should be lasering.

1:55 - Try to slide off onto the ledge when you get dthrown like that.

2:20 - Not sure what you were doing when recovering here. If you are going to Phantasm at them, you pretty much have to do it so that you hit them. Otherwise, you should go for a platform ledge cancel or go straight for the ledge.

 

[Bones0]

Game 2

2:58 - You should have daired instead of uaired. Falco's early % pillar on Falcon is guaranteed so there's absolutely no reason to deviate from it until dair starts knocking them over.

3:28 - You could have laser-reset him by shooting lower.

4:00 - You did that uair instead of dair again.

5:30 - When you DJ and realize your aerial won't reach them, laser as you land instead.

6:00 - Get used to Stadium's uneven floors during all of the transformations. You can't afford to let it mess up SHLs or L-cancel timings.

6:18 - You could have shortened that Phantasm so you fall and grab the ledge.

6:25 - Don't waste your invincibility hanging back and lasering. Maybe shoot one as you jump towards him, but just sitting there and spamming them when you could potentially get a risk-free approach is a waste.

That is the pillar you should be doing every time, but you kept WDing the wrong direction which can make it unnecessarily difficult, or even impossible if they DI it well.

 

[Battlecow]

Yo PP you gonna win impulse?

 

[Cummings]

0:58 - Those lasers aren't accomplishing anything because you aren't DDing in between them. Laser with purpose.

could you elaborate a little on this?
the rest of the advice is fantastic though, thanks alot bones.

 

[Wenbobular]

Did you not see yourself do a retreating laser when he just sat there and shielded

That should've been a situation where you could have pressured him but you just ran away instead

Those lasers just look like you're autopiloting (a mad weird autopilot too haha)

 

[SSBMLahti]

After reading which is possibly the most well written, in depth review of Falco recently posted by one who has mastered the character, I found at that Falco's phantasm will not kill until approximately 110-120%.

Discuss.

 

[Bones0]

Basically what Wenbo said. If you laser and they're just going to hold shield, grab them. If they jump over it, try to shine them out of their jump or something. Basically just don't laser and expect them to run into one.


Are you talking about killing off the top with Phantasm? That sounds way too low to be true... >_>

 

[SSBMLahti]

Are you talking about killing off the top with Phantasm? That sounds way too low to be true... >_>

Now I'm sure a player of your calibur has already read this thread:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=323804

This amount of knowledge and experience this guy has with Falco is amazing. Just judging by the post, you can tell he's at PeePee's level or higher.

 

[Mogwai]

if you want to talk about that post, talk about it in it's own thread. I'm letting the trololo party slide by because it's contained, don't mess up a legitimately useful thread with it.

 

[Bones0]

What do you guys do with turnips?

 

[Mogwai]

what? like if you catch them? falco's item throw animation sucks, so I usually just drop them midair.

 

[Bones0]

No, I was talking about when you pick them up out of the ground.

 

[Mogwai]

No, I was talking about when you pick them up out of the ground.

I figured out what you meant, but like, why would you want to catch a turnip unless it's a stitchface? And if it's a stichface, you gotta have mad swag to try to catch it since ****ing up is basically gg.




On a completely different note, does anyone else try to bait your opponent into getting up on a platform by crouching underneath the platform? Falco's crouch looks similar enough to the start of his jump animation that I feel like I can frequently bait people into showing their get up and then reacting to punish.

Example: http://youtu.be/sfm3r_K-Who?t=7m

 

[Bones0]

I usually FH and catch them when Peach drops it as I hit her.

That fake jump thing sounds pretty cool. You could also just WL in place though to make it more convincing.

 

[Mogwai]

I usually FH and catch them when Peach drops it as I hit her.

That fake jump thing sounds pretty cool. You could also just WL in place though to make it more convincing.

hmm, true, but wavedashing in place devotes a lot more frames to the fake than just crouching. I dunno, might try it out the next time I play to see if I can still react to their get up.

 

[Froggy]

I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right thread. But after Impulse this weekend, would we all agree that Mango has the best Falco and PP is still second?

 

[Bones0]

Mango is better at the ditto, no doubt. I think PP is more likely to beat Hbox and Armada with Falco than Mango is.

 

[flaw]

watching mango and pp play friendlies for a long time it looked to me as if pp's better at the ditto than before, if pp keeps it up it's only a matter of time unless mango reinvents himself again. i agree with kk that there's a lot of easy slack that pp can pick up in his ledge game against mango and that would be it. </nub opinion>

all i did at impulse was play falcos, my pool was 4 falcos and a fox. top 2 players using falco. falco's beginning to look a little unfair. gg's pp

 

[Divinokage]

From watching the sets, PP can definitely edgeguard the other Falco better, I guess he just has to pick his choices better and be more aggressive out there from what I've seen. His on-stage game is really good though.

 

[Froggy]

watching mango and pp play friendlies for a long time it looked to me as if pp's better at the ditto than before, if pp keeps it up it's only a matter of time unless mango reinvents himself again. i agree with kk that there's a lot of easy slack that pp can pick up in his ledge game against mango and that would be it. </nub opinion>

all i did at impulse was play falcos, my pool was 4 falcos and a fox. top 2 players using falco. falco's beginning to look a little unfair. gg's pp

Friendlies imo don't mean anything, people often play those to have fun, or to learn instead of to win like they do in tourney. And in GFs Mango beat PP pretty much the same as he did last time, so I have a hard time believing PP is going to be beating Mango anytime soon.

 

[genkaku]

GFs commentary was so hype.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Shout outs to the idiots who complained about informed KK commentary. :\

Peepee, I hate your up tilts. I really, really do. Especially since now, I have to deal with Falcos realizing it *****.

 

[Warhawk]

PP was way better at the ditto this time, but Mango was really sloppy on top of that. He came really close on three other occasions to losing some big sets. They both improve though and the next international won't be quite as easy for Armada, which excites me.

 

[Beat!]

I don't think I've seen PP play that well since WGF/P5.

 

[Divinokage]

You Europeans better be careful, son!

 

[Wake]

Shout outs to the idiots who complained about informed KK commentary. :\

Peepee, I hate your up tilts. I really, really do. Especially since now, I have to deal with Falcos realizing it *****.

Man, what Falcos have you been playing that they just realized this?! I've had to deal with this since I started! His utilt...

 

[Warhawk]

I don't think I've seen PP play that well since WGF/P5.

I agree he was playing pretty incredible. Excited to see the stream for Smasher's Reunion.

 

[Froggy]

I agree he was playing pretty incredible. Excited to see the stream for Smasher's Reunion.

It made me less excited. I don't understand how after seeing PP wrecked by mango like that again, people can be more excited for Smasher's reunion. This showed that PP hasn't made any significant improvements, Mango is still far away from him and by all things logical Armada should walk all over PP again. This just made me less excited for upcoming tournaments.

 

[Beat!]

Yeah, it's not like he went from losing 0-4, 1-4 at RoM4 to going 3-2, 2-3, 0-3 at Impulse or anything.

Seriously, in what world did he get "wrecked"? Sure, he lost steam after losing set 1 of GFs, but before that, he was putting in WORK. He won a ****ing set. Against Mango. In Falco dittos.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

are you guys serious right now? did you see how methodically PP handled hbox from the neutral position at all times? if you don't think he'll be able to handle his business against peach, then you're gonna be in for a surprise. he missed some key edgeguards against mango, but if you think that's getting thrashed or wrecked or anything, you need a fresh perspective on what a skill gap really is.

 

[Warhawk]

I think from going 1-6 at RoM4 against Mango to 5-8 at Impulse is a significant improvement against the best at the Falco ditto in the world, especially when he took a set from him.

 

[Beat!]

For some reason I thought Rom4 finals were Bo7, lol.

Point still stands, though. Huge improvement.

 

[strawhats]

It made me less excited. I don't understand how after seeing PP wrecked by mango like that again, people can be more excited for Smasher's reunion. This showed that PP hasn't made any significant improvements, Mango is still far away from him and by all things logical Armada should walk all over PP again. This just made me less excited for upcoming tournaments.

what world r u living in? PP has been putting in work lately. Sure he lost a set to m2k at zenith, m2k is a former champion.(of course he's not gonna completely dominate m2k like he did at WGF/P5 because greaty players make adjustments to their game) He's improved in the mu and almost beat mango at Impulse. And mango is a monster at the falco ditto, so pp taking a set off of mango in falco dittos is ****ing amazing. Trust me Pound V is only the tip of the iceburg for what pp can become. He is still getting better, even for how good he is right now.

 

[clowsui]

Not really appropriate exaggeration made in this post. Sorry Kev

in any case Kevin will claim his rightful spot as king someday.

 

[crush]

PP literally had Mango in Set 1 Game 4 when he missed one down air on the right side of the stage. PP had it SET UP (he knew it too because he put himself in the correct position and everything and had successfully performed that edgeguard earlier in the set) and he messed it up due to nerves, chance, whatever. All I know is, God gave Mango his win that day for some unknown reason. But when PP gets another chance...

let's just say this.

Even if God is in the way, PP will ****ing slit his throat and take the win he deserves.

He shall be crowned King. If it isn't now, it will be someday SOON.

dont listen g uys, that purple name is for brawl