PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Strong Badam]

Did you bang Ice yet?

I banged him in our money match
#up-airheadbanger

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

No thats a little different Battlecow. You're talking about the difference between a scrub mentality and not. There are strategies that are valid in the rules and those that aren't; the way to judge them is based on their effectiveness. Anything other than that is scrubbish.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I think that if you're a Falco main, honestly, any concept of honor flew out the window when you shot your first laser. The concept of "honor" as far as this game is concerned is dumb, anyways...

 

[Lightsyde]

I think that if you're a Falco main, honestly, any concept of honor flew out the window when you shot your first laser.

Lmao scrubbiest thing I've read all day.

 

[KirbyKaze]

It's your first short hop laser that it goes out the window.

 

[Deleted member]

You have no idea what "play to win" means. It means that you have to stop using words like "honor"

for PP

Armada did not just win the title for undisputable best player in the world and champion, he also won me 1000 dollars from Battlecow, in a bet the ****** made with me.
Unfortunately this Battlecow is a lying little snake who refuses to admit that he agreed to the bet that he proposed, and won't give me my 1000 dollars. No respect at all, that's low even for a flopmerican.

you should stop using the word honor too ****ing ****** LOL.

 

[Brookman]

Wow kk, that one was too easy, seriously...

 

[Max?]

Most Falcos are scrubs.

Discuss

 

[KirbyKaze]

johnny ****ing kim

 

[Mogwai]

Most Falcos are scrubs.

Discuss

Most Falcos don't bair enough. And by most, I mean all, because you can never bair enough.

 

[ruhtraeel]

Here's to waiting for that one guy who creates an unbeatable strategy that makes people never want to play Puff again

 

[Bonsai]

I think that if you're a Falco main, honestly, any concept of honor flew out the window when you shot your first laser. The concept of "honor" as far as this game is concerned is dumb, anyways...

Okay, the way I meant 'honorable play' was pretty much anything that isn't playing really gay. Might've been a bad choice of words.

I agree that when you're first starting to learn to play against falco, lasers can seem incredibly gay. But come on, nowadays we know our ways around them right? And if you learn to powershield 'em, you can even use the lasers against the bird.

 

[ruhtraeel]

Okay, the way I meant 'honorable play' was pretty much anything that isn't playing really gay. Might've been a bad choice of words.

I agree that when you're first starting to learn to play against falco, lasers can seem incredibly gay. But come on, nowadays we know our ways around them right? And if you learn to powershield 'em, you can even use the lasers against the bird.

This is what I mean. We gotta keep playing against gay **** until we find a hard counter to it which Puff has no chance against, just to be used in that matchup.

 

[Max?]

Most Falcos don't bair enough. And by most, I mean all, because you can never bair enough.

PC Kip begs to differ.

 

[Merkuri]

may not be posting much for a while.....too much stuff I'll have to read. I'd rather train anyway.

if I make any more big revelations and flesh them out well then I will certainly write about them.


javi is good, armada is good.


I'll probably go back and respond to some of these posts later on. thanks kk for making some of it fun to read at least <3

Where do you feel your skill level is amongst the top players now? What are your thoughts on Armada and Javi? Do you agree that Armada is the best player in the world now?

 

[ruhtraeel]

lol I sense some salt in PP

Controller toss against Javi!

 

[Bonsai]

This is what I mean. We gotta keep playing against gay **** until we find a hard counter to it which Puff has no chance against, just to be used in that matchup.

I think that a counter like that would've been found by now though...
YL is a pretty hard counter and hbox had it coming, but yeah, melee suffers from it.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Okay, the way I meant 'honorable play' was pretty much anything that isn't playing really gay. Might've been a bad choice of words.

I agree that when you're first starting to learn to play against falco, lasers can seem incredibly gay. But come on, nowadays we know our ways around them right? And if you learn to powershield 'em, you can even use the lasers against the bird.

By "really gay" you mean "really good" right? Cause gay means good in the smash community. So why don't you like people doing really good strategies? Because they are "boring" or because they are hard to beat? All of this stuff is just scrub mentality. Everything has a weakness, and if you exploit it you can beat it. This is what separates good players from bad.

 

[ruhtraeel]

I think that a counter like that would've been found by now though...
YL is a pretty hard counter and hbox had it coming, but yeah, melee suffers from it.

I swear to god I will shoot one needle as Sheik and then illusion stall the entire game if I that's what it takes to beat Puff.

Then I will continue playing legit against everyone else.

 

[Bonsai]

By "really gay" you mean "really good" right? Cause gay means good in the smash community. So why don't you like people doing really good strategies? Because they are "boring" or because they are hard to beat? All of this stuff is just scrub mentality. Everything has a weakness, and if you exploit it you can beat it. This is what separates good players from bad.

Yeah, ofcourse I mean really good. If you play gay and get ****ed up, no one would care.

I don't dislike those people as persons, but I don't respect their playstyle.
It's not because it's hard to beat that I dislike the playstyle. That would be like saying that anyone who's hard to beat, has a gay playstyle. Nah.
It's the way the match up has to be played to win that annoys me. If I have to face a campy puff in tourney, I'd be annoyed because I know the matches are gonna be hella lame. It's more of a test of patience than a good head-on fight, you know? As a fox, you can't complain too much but with falco it's a bit worse. Just having to wait and wait and get one hit and wait and laser again...
and mind you: I have NO problem with puffs that actually approach. I'm totally fine with playing those.

 

[Bonsai]

I swear to god I will shoot one needle as Sheik and then illusion stall the entire game if I that's what it takes to beat Puff.

Then I will continue playing legit against everyone else.

Against a gay puff, I definitely agree. Too bad you can punish illusion stalling too lol

 

[ruhtraeel]

In that sense, Melee is more competitive than like Starcraft.

Cause in Melee, people are willing to camp their way to victory and do whatever the hell it takes.

But in Starcraft, nobody will like 4 Pool or Barracks Barracks Supply the finals of a tournament. (I'm talking about Brood War, perhaps the most well established e-sport in the world)



And I believe if you are close to frame perfect, you can't punish illusion stalling, as shown in SuperDoodleMan's Perfect Control series where he does it in the lava

 

[JPOBS]

lol I sense some salt in PP

Controller toss against Javi!

i watched and rewatched that scene about 8 times. i couldnt believe the look of....disgust...on pp's face.

dat controller flick.

 

[ruhtraeel]

i watched and rewatched that scene about 8 times. i couldnt believe the look of....disgust...on pp's face.

dat controller flick.

lol it was more of like "WTF just happened"

Commentators were so right when they said "PP here facing a beast he's never fought before..."

 

[Bonsai]

In that sense, Melee is more competitive than like Starcraft.

Cause in Melee, people are willing to camp their way to victory and do whatever the hell it takes.

But in Starcraft, nobody will like 4 Pool or Barracks Barracks Supply the finals of a tournament.



And if you are close to frame perfect, you can't punish illusion stalling, as shown in SuperDoodleMan's Perfect Control series where he does it in the lava

Really? Amsah told me it wasn't safe because you can get edgehogged with the right timing

 

[ruhtraeel]

Really? Amsah told me it wasn't safe because you can get edgehogged with the right timing

I know what you mean, since he does it with 4 Sheiks which means there's a period where you can grab the edge

but if you know the edgehog is coming, you could like nair and then run to the other side of the stage and keep doing it, right?

 

[Bonsai]

but if you know the edgehog is coming, you could like nair and then run to the other side of the stage and keep doing it, right?

well, you can fake out edgehogs and bait the nair. He told me that there's a spot you can stand, facing away from the ledge, where you just wavedash backwards after the illusion stall and you'll edgehog. As a spacie though. But yeah I think it'd work against jiggs, she'd have to float around the edge or something and you'd hit here more than she edgehogs you. however, when she edgehogs you and you have to upB onto the stage, that's a free rest.

 

[ruhtraeel]

well, you can fake out edgehogs and bait the nair. He told me that there's a spot you can stand, facing away from the ledge, where you just wavedash backwards after the illusion stall and you'll edgehog. As a spacie though. But yeah I think it'd work against jiggs, she'd have to float around the edge or something and you'd hit here more than she edgehogs you. however, when she edgehogs you and you have to upB onto the stage, that's a free rest.

If Jiggs can't wavedash back and grab the ledge and has to float on the other side to grab, then I think it might work.

IMO don't up-B onto the stage. Like just when they start floating out there waiting for edgehog or trying to bait, just ledge hop bair onto the stage then run to the other side and keep doing it.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Okay, the way I meant 'honorable play' was pretty much anything that isn't playing really gay. Might've been a bad choice of words.

I agree that when you're first starting to learn to play against falco, lasers can seem incredibly gay. But come on, nowadays we know our ways around them right? And if you learn to powershield 'em, you can even use the lasers against the bird.

Lmao scrubbiest thing I've read all day.

Lol, you guys. I guess I should put a "jk" after all of my non-serious posts, from now on. But seriously. If I have to sacrifice my honor in place of tournament winnings in the amount of 3K, then I will (that makes me sound like a bad person, though).

I don't actually think his lasers are that much of a problem, but that's cause I main Peach, so....yeah.

 

[Bonsai]

If Jiggs can't wavedash back and grab the ledge and has to float on the other side to grab, then I think it might work.

IMO don't up-B onto the stage. Like just when they start floating out there waiting for edgehog or trying to bait, just ledge hop bair onto the stage then run to the other side and keep doing it.

oh yeah, that'd work. mad gay XD and make sure there's no 50 ledgegrab rule of w/e.

 

[ruhtraeel]

oh yeah, that'd work. mad gay XD and make sure there's no 50 ledgegrab rule of w/e.

what 50 ledgegrab rule lol?



I mean like the main point isn't to win the match like that, it's to discourage gay Puff players the same way gay Puff players discourage others lol

and I think the only time you could get punished doing that is when you ledgehop bair and they outspace it and then try and hit you, but then you can buffer a roll just after you bair

 

[Bonsai]

Lol, you guys. I guess I should put a "jk" after all of my non-serious posts, from now on. But seriously. If I have to sacrifice my honor in place of tournament winnings in the amount of 3K, then I will (that makes me sound like a bad person, though).

I don't actually think his lasers are that much of a problem, but that's cause I main Peach, so....yeah.

that's dirty money tho

 

[Bonsai]

what 50 ledgegrab rule lol?



I mean like the main point isn't to win the match like that, it's to discourage gay Puff players the same way gay Puff players discourage others lol

and I think the only time you could get punished doing that is when you ledgehop bair and they outspace it and then try and hit you, but then you can buffer a roll just after you bair

Dunno, I heard Waffles say it in the Amsah vs Jman match back at pound 4 I think. Don't know anything about it, but it sounds plausible that there's a rule like that.
That match is a great example of what you just said by the way, Jman gays Amsah, then Amsah discourages him by outgaying him.

 

[ruhtraeel]

Dunno, I heard Waffles say it in the Amsah vs Jman match back at pound 4 I think. Don't know anything about it, but it sounds plausible that there's a rule like that.
That match is a great example of what you just said by the way, Jman gays Amsah, then Amsah discourages him by outgaying him.

I hate Jman so much lol

Jman must be so pissed that someone he beat in the USA vs World crew battle beat someone he can never beat

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Jman can beat anyone though.

 

[Bonsai]

Jman can beat anyone though.

Why you beat Ice eh? nah, gj.
What did Ice play?

 

[Divinokage]

Like I said a long time ago, the only reason you guys think it's gay it's probably because you are not able to handle that kind of situation... there's ALWAYS an answer to anything that is being thrown at you, perhaps some people aren't willing to challenge it but that's your fault not the apparent "gayness". lol.

 

[Bonsai]

Like I said a long time ago, the only reason you guys think it's gay it's probably because you are not able to handle that kind of situation... there's ALWAYS an answer to anything that is being thrown at you, perhaps some people aren't willing to challenge it but that's your fault not the apparent "gayness". lol.

Yeah, ofcourse I mean really good. If you play gay and get ****ed up, no one would care.

I don't dislike those people as persons, but I don't respect their playstyle.
It's not because it's hard to beat that I dislike the playstyle. That would be like saying that anyone who's hard to beat, has a gay playstyle. Nah.
It's the way the match up has to be played to win that annoys me. If I have to face a campy puff in tourney, I'd be annoyed because I know the matches are gonna be hella lame. It's more of a test of patience than a good head-on fight, you know? As a fox, you can't complain too much but with falco it's a bit worse. Just having to wait and wait and get one hit and wait and laser again...
and mind you: I have NO problem with puffs that actually approach. I'm totally fine with playing those.

10charsssss

 

[AvengerAngel]

may not be posting much for a while.....too much stuff I'll have to read. I'd rather train anyway.

if I make any more big revelations and flesh them out well then I will certainly write about them.


javi is good, armada is good.


I'll probably go back and respond to some of these posts later on. thanks kk for making some of it fun to read at least <3

Don't get discouraged by the idiots/haters that don't know what they're talking about and keep on training hard as you've always done, I'm sure you'll get them next time xP
Also, placing 5th in a big tourney with such weird results/upsets is nothing to be ashamed of.



And LOL @ all the people complaining about Puff. If you guys put so much effort in the game, learning to play, instead of complaining, you would probably understand that Puff is very overrated. It's just HBox being better than most of his opponents, not his character. Stop hating and learn to play against Puff.

 

[Bonsai]

Don't get discouraged by the idiots/haters that don't know what they're talking about and keep on training hard as you've always done, I'm sure you'll get them next time xP
Also, placing 5th in a big tourney with such weird results/upsets is nothing to be ashamed of.



And LOL @ all the people complaining about Puff. If you guys put so much effort in the game, learning to play, instead of complaining, you would probably understand that Puff is very overrated. It's just HBox being better than most of his opponents, not his character. Stop hating and learn to play against Puff.

Not hating on puff. read more closely. I can actually kinda play the matchup.