PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[PB&J]

Kage- sion probably has the mind of a pro but he needs so more national exp,hes good though,i like his style with falco,he plays like florida alot sometimes but mix's it up too

 

[silentSWAG]

PC chris is sooooo good. recently i talked to him a lil and watch him play and he is no where close to being bad.
he doesnt play falco any more ( at least from the recent vids i watched recently)
and the old metagame had alot to do with him winning. back in 06-08
and trying to impress with tech skill doesnt make you win
and i never worry about tech skill ,cause i pretty much have it all besides repeated jc shines, and i dont need that any way. i could use double shines tho. tech skill is bad for falco mains to abuse because you pretty much want to make them feel pressured with a simple concept then switch it up.
i dont even know what im talking about anymore

 

[Divinokage]

I'm sure he'll do fine, he crushed SW already, 3 times in one tournament. (Crews, MM, tournament) What more do you really need? He's better than Blunted who already places 17th in nationals, he can do better for sure.

 

[Beat!]

he is no where close to being bad.

For some reason, I found this wording to be pretty funny haha.

 

[silentSWAG]

hey dont make fun of me!

im 3 years away from graduating high school

=3

 

[JPOBS]

I'm sure he'll do fine, he crushed SW already, 3 times in one tournament. (Crews, MM, tournament) What more do you really need? He's better than Blunted who already places 17th in nationals, he can do better for sure.

where was this?

 

[Divinokage]

This tournament http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=315792

 

[JPOBS]

oh i thought you were talking about PC chris beating SW in tourny 3 times recently, cause of what silentswag was saying.

 

[Kosine]

pretty sure falco beats samus with just laser and down air. maybe just down air. its pretty bad... i dont know why people think that matchup is bad/difficult for falco

 

[PB&J]

What happens with samus vs falco is the falco does a dumb approach gets crouch canceled dsmashed to each guarded but i like playing falco vs her than fox. Plup is raising the bar with samus so lets see what happens @ apex vs all the falcos vs him

 

[JPOBS]

well people say its difficult for falco because

- he cant get away with typical shield pressure shenanigans because upB oos > pressure
- he gets edgeguarded well by samus, and edgeguarding her isn't the easiest
- her general character is annoying. Strong CC, wavedash shenanigans. Certain aspects of her character make her difficult to combo, like sometimes she gets the body contortion on the dair and then your shine misses and then you eat a dsmash.

Granted all these things can be worked around. But samus isn't bad enough that you can just flat out beat her like you can a lot of the lower tiers. and the better samus mains have been saying samus falco is 50/50 for years now so there obviously a reason for that.

 

[PB&J]

Samus is my one of my weakest match ups but i plan on making all my weakest match ups my best

 

[Pi]

OH **** MM ME DRUGGEDFOX, AND MM PLUP LOLOL

caps

 

[Bones0]

pc chris and foward are not realy relavent to the modern "metagame" tho

Shut your ***** *** up.

 

[JPOBS]

Forward will always be relevant to the metagame.

 

[Niko45]

Nice post on shield pressure druggedfox.

PC's Falco ***** it's hands down the hardest character of his for me to fight.

@AA- when is shine waveland punishing NOT optimal, really?

 

[Divinokage]

It was fun fighting him with my Falcon, every game was down to the wire and so close, good times. =)

 

[Bones0]

Nice post on shield pressure druggedfox.

PC's Falco ***** it's hands down the hardest character of his for me to fight.

@AA- when is shine waveland punishing NOT optimal, really?

When your shine is staled, or vs. some of the floatier characters at various %s.

 

[AvengerAngel]

@AA- when is shine waveland punishing NOT optimal, really?

When the shine is stale and the opponent is on the ground or when you're not 100% sure you'll make it in time before the opponent touches the ground, you'd better just wait under them and punish their tech or just aerial them, or WL on platform > react to the tech. Also, some characters aren't as easy to combo with shines as fastfallers, like Sheik/Peach/Puff/Marth, but they're weak when they're in the air above you, so you'd get a better reward just waiting a bit under them and punishing their actions just on reaction. And Uairing from below ***** =D

Of course shine > WL is damn useful and a very strong follow-up, but sometimes there are better mix-ups that give you the opportunity to keep pressuring the opponent rather than dropping the combo and kinda resetting the situation

 

[ShroudedOne]

so if anyone could critique my falco that would be cool business. i know im not that good, and i was nervous so i didnt mix up stuff too much and kept to the same crap. sorry that its compressed instead of spread out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTyX...xt=C3161bf6UDOEgsToPDskL2ChvGxZ1VPaF7LCUMGXsd

ARGH WHY DID YOU POST THAT

*tears*

 

[Wake]

haha I didn't even look at that video until I saw you comment on it! Be faster ShroudedOne! That's all I have to say.

 

[crush]

Stop crying GayOne!!!

 

[FoxLisk]

pc chris and foward are not realy relavent to the modern "metagame" tho

if you watch PC chris play from '07 or '08 and don't think you can learn anything from it, you're fooling yourself.

 

[Bones0]

I saw some '03 vid where Isai tomahawk grabbed Ken. l2lrn

 

[Druggedfox]

@knihT

I'll probably get ***** by both of you

 

[Iron Dragon]

Forward will always be relevant to the metagame.

<3

I'll have to give this message to Sean =)

And yeah DF good post that helped me a lot. Makes me think of being more aware of what I'm doing and when. Gotta figure out the situations of when to use everything.

 

[SSBMLahti]

Falco should have been in Skyward Sword...

 

[crush]

falco should be in every game. you use him if you select easy mode.

 

[Rubyiris]

Nice post on shield pressure druggedfox.

PC's Falco ***** it's hands down the hardest character of his for me to fight.

@AA- when is shine waveland punishing NOT optimal, really?

When you're fighting Shiek.

 

[Strong Badam]

When your shine is staled, or vs. some of the floatier characters at various %s.

no, what? the staleness is almost irrelevant because of the followups after the shine lol

 

[EWC]

Shine waveland is suboptimal at mid percents on pretty much every non-fastfaller most of the time.

 

[crush]

Strong Bad is winning APEX.

 

[Druggedfox]

no, what? the staleness is almost irrelevant because of the followups after the shine lol

I think bones is referring to the opponent being in a grounded state because they didn't tech, since if you shine them during that they immediately go to the neutral state and fly really high etc etc

If it's not what he was referring to, it's the reason i don't use shine waveland sometimes at least xDD

 

[Pi]

@knihT

I'll probably get ***** by both of you

WHAT THE **** KIND OF RESPONSE IS THIS
****ing hell

 

[Druggedfox]

WHAT THE **** KIND OF RESPONSE IS THIS
****ing hell

I figured it'd be the perfect response to you of all people

 

[Max?]

PC's Falco is reallllly good, idk what ur talking about swag

 

[FoxLisk]

Yo DruggedFox I played at a smashfest for a while today and I kept your post about spacing around shield grab vertically in mind and it helped my shield pressure SO MUCH

HOLY ****

everyone pay attention to that **** it is not hard to implement and it ****S PEOPLE UP

edit: i mean your post wasn't just about that spacing, but that's the part i implemented. it *****.

 

[silentSWAG]

PC's Falco is reallllly good, idk what ur talking about swag

.............

PC chris is sooooo good. recently i talked to him a lil and watch him play and he is no where close to being bad.
he doesnt play falco any more ( at least from the recent vids i watched recently)
and the old metagame had alot to do with him winning. back in 06-08

 

[Dr Peepee]

I have returned from strange Twitch training in Pennsylvania(shoutouts to my grandmother).

I've spent a majority of my time re-learning things I came up with that one day I played amazingly but I'm remembering a lot of it now.

A ton of my issue is/was based on my mood, and being more positive lately has done wonders for my play. It keeps my ego out of the game, keeps me learning, and allows me to retain memory of my play more(which is great for me since I used to be pathetically reliant on videos for any recollection of my play).

random things!

-uptilt isn't too great for comboing Falco for me(compared to how much I use it vs anyone else including Fox)...pushing him out or down is better

-fighting marth and sheik feels like I'm playing lots of spacing games, whereas playing against spacies I feel like I'm trying to establish a certain situation and spacing feels more abstract due to Falco's lasers extending his "space" and Fox's speed being a bigger force to "space" around than his actual moves

-pushing backward in a dash dance often makes me lose opportunities to punish with Falco though it does keep me pretty safe. this is probably why I started talking about that WD toward marth thing a few weeks ago though(to reset my dd area once laser control is established)



with a little time to go until Apex I feel pretty good but not where I'd like to be. If I prepare hard enough I believe I still have some shot at winning though.



Edit: oh yeah I'll respond to some posts in this thread in a bit or tomorrow.

 

[ZoSo]

Additionally, if you double shine perfectly your opponent will never leave shield stun

This is actually not true. Great post otherwise though.