PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[choknater]

most top tourny players who LOOK flashy usually aren't even trying to be flashy. they're just trying to optimize their gameplay.

 

[JPOBS]

I'd rather be good than be flashy.

 

[choknater]

i like armada vs hbox

 

[leffen]

most top tourny players who LOOK flashy usually aren't even trying to be flashy. they're just trying to optimize their gameplay.

This SOOOO much. I see a lot of players saying "omg taj's mewtwo is so flashy","Hax falcon is so flashy" and "PP plays so flashy with his combos".

Really? that isnt ****ing flashy >_>, there is nothing wrong with enjoying a optimized/gay playstyle but don't claim everyone and their mother is flashy.

Notable flashy players = Mango, Lucky, Scar, Me (sometimes ;>), Calle W etc etc

and being flashy is maaaad underrated, it puts so much pressure during tournament matches and makes you much harder to read. Its psychological warfare, its why FBI and w/e actually do walk around in suits even though it looks ******** on the surface.

 

[SSBMLahti]

you guys saying play flashy or go home sound so ignorant

Sorry about that But I have fun playing technical and flashy, if I'm playing slow or something I won't be having fun.

I like to win, but I like to win playing flashy.

EIDT: Also what leffen said.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Well, I just don't like when people (like Hbox) are victimized for not playing flashy. You can play however you want (the great thing about Melee), just let others do the same.

Also, leffen, you have really good shield pressure. That's something I noticed about Euro spacies; their shield pressure is rather individual, and different.

 

[SSBMLahti]

Well, I just don't like when people (like Hbox) are victimized for not playing flashy. You can play however you want (the great thing about Melee), just let others do the same.

Also, leffen, you have really good shield pressure. That's something I noticed about Euro spacies; their shield pressure is rather individual, and different.

I don't hate on Hbox at all- I just don't watch him.

I do hate on Armada though when he camps as YL...jus' sayin'

 

[ShroudedOne]

I don't hate on Hbox at all- I just don't watch him.

I do hate on Armada though when he camps as YL...jus' sayin'

Meh, that doesn't make me happy, either, but he's there to win.

 

[choknater]

yeah mango does crazy **** lol

 

[L__]

mango is so fun to watch omg

 

[choknater]

ur fun to watch alvin

irl

 

[L__]

ur fun to watch andre

.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

at what point does your play become flashy? when you're doing unnecessary/quirky techniques?

Sorry about that But I have fun playing technical and flashy, if I'm playing slow or something I won't be having fun.

I like to win, but I like to win playing flashy.

EIDT: Also what leffen said.

I absolutely love playing technical and flashy, it's what i crave in melee, but that's not what everyone else craves, i'm down for being known as super agressive/fast/flashy over the people who enjoy the play2win aspect.

 

[ILoveKe$sha]

Play flashy if you want but you have no business talking crap about other play styles especially when it's just salt.

 

[ShroudedOne]

at what point does your play become flashy? when you're doing unnecessary/quirky techniques?

Yeah, when you're doing unnecessary things that look really cool. Like JC shines, or that combo that ends in Falco's firebird off the top (I don't know the name...)

 

[choknater]

at what point does your play become flashy? when you're doing unnecessary/quirky techniques?

yeah pretty much

very excellent technical play gets kills and stuff

but you can call someone too flashy if they do something unnecessary and there might have been a better option

or they just choose something really difficult and it works out for them

the most typical flashy move (there was a cali trend for this before lol) is fox hitting you upwards and then shine-bairing you... in tournament

shoutouts to connor

 

[JPOBS]

Stuff that add little payoff but have a high technical demand are whats "flashy" i.e. fox's shine bair ^
or that stuff axe always does where he shine turnaround waveland off platform to bair. It doesn;t add anything and its harder to do that other equally as good options. (he could just bair...)

But stuff like fox's upthrow double shine at the edge shouldnt be called "flashy" imo because they're actually useful.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Stuff that add little payoff but have a high technical demand are whats "flashy" i.e. fox's shine bair ^

this is a good way to put it, i was thinking the same thing, couldn't express it.

fox shinebair is sooo pretttyyyyy

I somewhat agree on the axe shine plat drop bairs, it seems like more of a surprise attack attempt to me though, just mixin it up, it's def not one of those situations where he could've done something less technical to get the job done, cause what he does is probably a better option than the routine aerial approaches over and over

 

[oliman]

Yeah, when you're doing unnecessary things that look really cool. Like JC shines, or that combo that ends in Falco's firebird off the top (I don't know the name...)

well jc shines arent flashy at all, and firebird off the top is pretty useful. whats flashy is like turnaround shine wavedashing to combo n stuff (not like to edgehog/guard)

 

[leffen]

What is flashy and what's not is hard to define, but smth certainly doesnt have to be technical to be flashy LOL.

its just basically where you do something for show off and not for the actual %/whatever gain.

Shine bair/shine nair with fox isn't what I would consider flashy since its a great option select on the edge etc, but most ppl dont get it so w/e.

 

[Jake13]

not axe's platform shines to bair (tho a little flashy, more practical emagdnim)

but axe's shine, land dash a platform... to LASER? wtf 2unecessarilygood

 

[choknater]

i was talking about when fox hits someone upwards, and then shine bairs them for a combo. is that really an option select? O_O

 

[tarheeljks]

not axe's platform shines to bair (tho a little flashy, more practical emagdnim)

but axe's shine, land dash a platform... to LASER? wtf 2unecessarilygood

it's possible that shining first makes it easier for him to waveland. falco's jump height can be kind of clunky relative to some platform heights

don't think flash precludes pragmatism in all cases

 

[leffen]

while the shine often does nothing but slow down the move on paper it can act as a conditioner which makes opponent easier to read. Most people would respond to the shine with shield in anticipationo of the bair and then try to shield grab it etc, so then you can start doing shine waveland off the platform-> waveland away on the ground and punish their whiff.

 

[Wenbobular]

You're talking about 2 completely differently things dude haha
choknater is talking about shine bair in the air (the super unnecessary combo on people who super survival DI) and you're talking about shieldgrabbing

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

while the shine often does nothing but slow down the move on paper it can act as a conditioner which makes opponent easier to read. Most people would respond to the shine with shield in anticipationo of the bair and then try to shield grab it etc, so then you can start doing shine waveland off the platform-> waveland away on the ground and punish their whiff.

yeah leffen, he's referring to something like fox uthrowing a falco at like 120%, then literally shine-bairing like a falco.



below post sounds about right, but either way his first post responding to you seemed out of place too

 

[choknater]

he might be talking to tarheel about axe's tactic though

idk? haha

 

[Veetaak]

Confusion lol

 

[leffen]

yeah, im talking about shine turnaround bair.

had a old version of the page loaded, sorry : ((((

 

[choknater]

haha sall good

yeah shine turnaround bair is good vs shield. really good

 

[ShroudedOne]

well jc shines arent flashy at all, and firebird off the top is pretty useful. whats flashy is like turnaround shine wavedashing to combo n stuff (not like to edgehog/guard)

Like tarheeljks said, flash does not preclude pragmatism all the time. Firebird off the top is useful, but you have to admit that it's still flashy.

JC shines are kind of flashy, too, but also have utility. But yeah, turnaround waveshine combos are really flashy, and have no utility at all. I'd still like to be able to do that, though.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

if you make a poor choice because you wanted to involve more button inputs, you are prolly trying to be too flashy.

 

[Lightsyde]

I just realized that most of the people in this thread have no techskill after reading what they call flashy. SMH

Also, Leffen's post is what's up, especially

and being flashy is maaaad underrated, it puts so much pressure during tournament matches and makes you much harder to read. Its psychological warfare

 

[ShroudedOne]

I just realized that most of the people in this thread have no techskill after reading what they call flashy. SMH

Also, Leffen's post is what's up, especially

Flashy isn't necessarily technically demanding. Just something that looks really cool, and probably wasn't necessary.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

I just realized that most of the people in this thread have no techskill after reading what they call flashy. SMH

Also, Leffen's post is what's up, especially

i didn't know you needed to be technical, to emphasize what flashyness is.

though while on that point, i find myself FAR more technical than you

 

[crush]

I never pillar, I just shinegrab

 

[Deleted member]

some people overdo 'flashiness' and it makes them way easier to beat. like doing seriously useless ****

standard melee youtube **** is people trying to be cool/ or they are actually cool but they **** up in fundamentals which is instant facepalm

i'd name some people but don't want to hurt feelings

 

[crush]

i'd name some people but don't want to hurt feelings

No its fine. Here on smashboards we don't have feelings

 

[choknater]

ah crush unbanned HERE WE GO!

lol. there was a falcon player in the valley named jmic, we called it jmic syndrome when he always wanted to do epic falcon stuff and end combos with knee

even when it obviously wouldn't hit.

 

[Winston]

i didn't know you needed to be technical, to emphasize what flashyness is.

though while on that point, i find myself FAR more technical than you

well his point is probably that if you are technical, then you wouldn't find a lot of stuff flashy since it'd be easy/standard for you to do

(such as the examples that were brought up)