PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[sanchaz]

Control space. I use lasers, bairs, and utilts to protect myself and keep Fox where I want him. When I get a hit, I do my best to end his stock.

Best way to rush Falco down... hmm... it definitely requires baiting something from him. Whether its running in between bairs/utilts, or getting him to bair above you so you can get under him. Falco can't do **** when he's on the defensive, so once you hit him make sure you keep the pressure on. You don't necessarily have to combo everything, but never let the situation reset to neutral, because neutral against Falco is really in his favor.

wow!!!! I agree with your points. this was really helpful. thank you. for future matches, I'll rush down falco and punish.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

if i lost to shroomed, i would prolly quit smash and start going to wii bowling tournaments.

 

[unknown522]

yeah. Me too

 

[Strong Badam]

as would I

 

[#HBC | Mac]

doc > falco

yall just haters

 

[ShroudedOne]

So Peepee going to post an analysis (of sorts) about Mango? That'll be a bestseller, for sure.

if i lost to shroomed, i would prolly quit smash and start going to wii bowling tournaments.

I hate fighting Doc, and would probably feel discouraged, but that's a little extreme...Wii bowling...

*shudders*

 

[Max?]

if i lost to shroomed, i would prolly quit smash and start going to wii bowling tournaments.

Better change the batteries in that Wiimote than, you're gonna get bodied.

yeah. Me too

That goes for you too.

as would I

And you.

doc > falco

yall just haters

This kids got it right, too bad he's fake as ****.

 

[Niko45]

That's the OT

 

[Strong Badam]

but otg
shroomed sucks

 

[LumpyCPU...]

i beat shroomed in a few friendlies at one of his first norcal tournaments in some dude's garage.

i'm better than pp, right?

 

[Divinokage]

but otg
shroomed sucks

Indeed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HkePfcIvw lol.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Maybe I'm missing something...how does someone make it to top 5 of Genesis 2 if he sucks?

 

[Mogwai]

/facepalm

they're being sarcastic. blatantly sarcastic.

 

[ShroudedOne]

In the back of my mind, I kind of knew...

*also facepalms*

 

[Max?]

The internet is serious business.

 

[Winston]

/facepalm

they're being sarcastic. blatantly sarcastic.

lmfao

he even added the trollface to the post to make it extra clear

 

[genkaku]

yesterday a marth tried to shieldgrab me so I waveshined out and fsmashed.
I dunno whether this is a situation to set up for or not.

also, what advantages does nair have over bair?

 

[Sinji]

yesterday a marth tried to shieldgrab me so I waveshined out and fsmashed.
I dunno whether this is a situation to set up for or not.

also, what advantages does nair have over bair?

Nair has the advantage when approaching the opponent when they are in the air. For example, when peach floats you can nair her to stop her aerial attack.

Another advantage is his hitbox.

his nair hitbox allows him to shield poke.

 

[Dobs1007]

how do you shield drop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hduXLHnO4U Go to like 20 seconds too good

 

[JPOBS]

yesterday a marth tried to shieldgrab me so I waveshined out and fsmashed.
I dunno whether this is a situation to set up for or not.

I do that sometimes. If it works for you man, more power to you.

also, what advantages does nair have over bair?

Hmm... they are kinda used in different situations so its hard to say.

For starts, nair would probably be your more often used approaching move for obvious reasons, and your more traditional shield pressure, . But bair's hitbox is huge and beats like everything in the game with proper spacing so it has its place.

 

[Strong Badam]

y'all don't know about PIVOT BAIR APPROACH

us Donkey Kong's are developin that ****

 

[stingers]

u mean RAR? ive been doing that since 08

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah but it's harder than brawl rar cuz it's a 1 frame window for the jump

 

[EWC]

You should use your shield to stop momentum instead of pivoting. I makes it a little easier to control.

 

[Sinji]

y'all don't know about PIVOT BAIR APPROACH

us Donkey Kong's are developin that ****

I remember seeing lamb-chops doing that.

 

[Strong Badam]

You should use your shield to stop momentum instead of pivoting. I makes it a little easier to control.

the point of the pivot is to turn around though.
also GuardOn is 6 frames iirc. waste of time. get better imo.

 

[choknater]

lmao

strong bad clockin in on non-technical NOOBS.

yo that tactic would be so strong for ic's though.

 

[Brookman]

..Why would IC's worry about dashing/pivoting when they can just wavedash backwards (O_o)

 

[choknater]

same reason strong bad said not to use the shield to pivot bair

waste of time, get better imo

less range though but whatevs

 

[Strong Badam]

why would IC's approach with bair tho when they can grab or dsmash

pivot bair with falco and DK address a lack of better approach options. falco has dair, nair, dash attack, grab in terms of reliable approach options. other things work however aren't really staple Falco approaches. his bair is amazing. why not pivot it and approach with it?

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

why would IC's approach with bair tho when they can grab or dsmash

pivot bair with falco and DK address a lack of better approach options. falco has dair, nair, dash attack, grab in terms of reliable approach options. other things work however aren't really staple Falco approaches. his bair is amazing. why not pivot it and approach with it?

The problem with that is that there's no momentum. Unless the opponent is stuck at the edge, you can't really go forward with it, so dash dance grab / aerial will definitely beat it. If you're retreating with the bair then it's ok, but then it wouldn't really be an approach anymore right?

I can see why you'd do it with DK though. Poor DK =(

 

[unknown522]

poor poor DK.

But yeah, lol someone thought we were serious about the shroomed thing.

 

[Lightsyde]

Lmfao @ Julie's sig

What in the world

 

[Strong Badam]

zhu u bring up fine points
but imo pivot bair is still the future.

 

[ChefOfDeath]

A similar idea, running shine -> turnaround -> bair has worked for me a few times. Not saying it's godlike or anything, but as a mix up it's not bad. Shining on the ground just out of their range works nicely to bait them into the following bair.

 

[Brookman]

strongbad, I'm ignoring you now. Your posts are so ****ty it is beyond reason.

 

[crush]

strongbad, I'm ignoring you now. Your posts are so ****ty it is beyond reason.

same thing i was gonna say but i wouldnt put a swear word in

 

[Sinji]

A similar idea, running shine -> turnaround -> bair has worked for me a few times. Not saying it's godlike or anything, but as a mix up it's not bad. Shining on the ground just out of their range works nicely to bait them into the following bair.

Yea, I love that mix up.

 

[choknater]

yo ic's bair on shield ain't that bad at all sons

 

[crush]

yo ic's bair on shield ain't that bad at all sons

You didnt sound black when you were commentating...