Session Start (MycatgoesMow:Sami): Wed Mar 30 03:32:16 2011 -0400
[03:32] Max: yo
[03:32] Sami: yoo sup
[03:32] Max: not much
[03:32] Max: dead tired
[03:32] Max: keep me up for a bit
[03:32] Max: whats good with you
[03:32] Sami: hmm, lets see
[03:32] Sami: i've been mostly playing marvel honestly; nobody to play melee with as usual
[03:33] Sami: and plenty of people to beat up on in marvel
[03:33] Sami: im actually getting to the point where im legitimately good i think
[03:33] Sami: i think i was 6-6 with somebody, then was like yo **** this
[03:33] Sami: a bit later it was 16-6 >_>
[03:34] Max: lmao
[03:34] Sami: so yeah, im ****** hard
[03:34] Max: ok so
[03:34] Sami: hmm?
[03:34] Max: remember when i was betting on you vs jesse
[03:34] Sami: yeah?
[03:34] Max: back in like january
[03:34] Sami: yup
[03:34] Max: he posted this yesterday
[03:34] Max: 2.) The better I get the more I realize, sharing every little thing with everyone is kinda like...Idk how to say it. I'll put it this way: I'm not on his level yet so I can't fully understand, but I'm beginning to understand why Mango only teaches certain people. It's like, you put all this time and effort in and you overcome all these challenges, and you don't just want to give that away to someone if they're not going to use it or appreciate it.
[03:35] Sami: LOOOL
[03:35] Sami: thats... well, wow the irony
[03:35] Sami: and its an irony he'll never appreciate
[03:36] Max: maybe
[03:36] Max: i told him that before
[03:37] Max: on the other hand i've started giving kevin marth theory 101
[03:37] Max: and i finally saw his marth after like
[03:37] Max: on and off of that for a while
[03:37] Max: and it *****
[03:37] Sami: XDD
[03:37] Max: i LOVE his marth
[03:37] Sami: yeah his marth is tight
[03:37] Max: no
[03:37] Max: it's actually sloppy in a lot of ways
[03:37] Max: but like
[03:37] Sami: iiwas about to say that
[03:37] Max: thats just it
[03:37] Max: pp will make it tight
[03:37] Max: as he gets even a little experience
[03:38] Max: i think at some point he'll either stick to falco or he'll switch to marth
[03:38] Max: but he'll never main fox
[03:38] Max: now he has a taste of what it's like to get an easy kill at 60 if given even a slight chance
[03:39] Max: falco is broken in a lot of ways but he doesn't have that
[03:39] Sami: yup
[03:39] Sami: marth is that bull**** broken
[03:39] Sami: itts different from falco
[03:39] Sami: PP's marth needs a bit of move choice work honestly
[03:39] Max: they're both bull**** broken
[03:39] Sami: but yeah it was really great
[03:39] Max: yeah he does
[03:39] Max: but like
[03:39] Max: that comes from time and experience and practice
[03:39] Max: atm all of his is in falco
[03:40] Max: almost exclusively
[03:41] Sami: yeah
[03:41] Sami: i'd like to see more of his marth
[03:41] Sami: i'd also like to play it
[03:41] Sami: he might be the person to remind the world
[03:41] Sami: how much bs marth is
[03:42] Max: i know he trades notes with mango occasionally and mango thinks marth is bull****
[03:42] Max: but mango's marth/falcon kinda suck compared to his fox/falco
[03:42] Max: his creativity gives a lot of utility to their natural speed
[03:43] Max: tighter, tactical styles tend to favor marth and sheik and the like
[03:43] Max: and pp and m2k fit right in
[03:43] Max: and i'm good at teaching those styles
[03:44] Sami: hmm, i always wondered what i personally was
[03:44] Sami: I know im an intuitive player naturally though
[03:44] Sami: lol mango's marth can be good
[03:44] Sami: when hes not being ******** >____<
[03:44] Max: creative and ******** are one and the same a lot of the time
[03:44] Max: which is fine
[03:44] Max: /isai
[03:44] Max: /kdj
[03:45] Sami: yeah its fine
[03:45] Max: /darkrain
[03:45] Sami: but not for marth
[03:45] Max: /ken
[03:45] Max: /pc
[03:45] Max: it can be for marth too just because his punishes are so devastating
[03:45] Sami: yeah but like
[03:45] Sami: constant downsmashes while throwing sets to jman?
[03:45] Sami: then trying for like 20 seconds and making a 4 stock comeback?
[03:45] Sami: its like, i think its easy to tell how much better mango gets
[03:46] Sami: when his marth decides to stop bull****ting
[03:46] Max: meh
[03:46] Max: i think mango should stick to fox and falco
[03:46] Sami: i mean, he should
[03:46] Sami: and from the looks of recent friendlies
[03:46] Sami: he should stick to falco >_>
[03:46] Sami: his fox couldn't handle PP or armada that well it seemed like
[03:46] Sami: i don't remember the hbox friendlies that well, but i have a feelin that was the case as well
[03:48] Sami: idk what do you think
[03:49] Sami: between his falco and his fox
[03:50] Max: i told you a long time ago
[03:50] Max: i'm jealous of the p4 mango vs armada set
[03:51] Max: cause he makes that style look like it actually works
[03:51] Max: do you remember?
[03:51] Max: in all honesty i'm starting to think fox is limited in the same way that sheik is in that his punishes aren't up to snuff with the likes of falco and jigglypuff
[03:52] Max: but i realize it's style dependent so i haven't made a decision yet
[03:52] Sami: yeah i remember what you were saying
[03:52] Sami: i've never forgotten the comment about the P4 set, don't worry =]
[03:52] Sami: its one i frequently reference
[03:52] Sami: both to myeslf and others
[03:52] Max: you and kevin both have good memories and learn well
[03:53] Max: idk why kevin is still a player tier above you
[03:53] Sami: can I experience john?
[03:53] Max: no
[03:53] Sami: mkay nvm then
[03:53] Max: i think it's because you **** up a lot on the spot
[03:53] Max: you play like a good player sometimes
[03:53] Max: like actually good
[03:53] Max: i can see it
[03:53] Sami: mhhm, i understand what you're saying
[03:53] Sami: mostly because im thinking of all the times you watch somebody
[03:53] Max: you probably have a mental block you're not addressing
[03:53] Sami: and call them a throwaway player
[03:54] Max: i can judge skill very well
[03:54] Max: to be fair, i'm also a throwaway player
[03:54] Sami: yuppp
[03:54] Max: i wasn't in the past, but laziness will do that
[03:54] Sami: i definitely trust your ability to judge skill
[03:54] Sami: you know your stuff
[03:54] Sami: something that... can't be said about most people
[03:54] Max: OH
[03:54] Max: that reminds me
[03:54] Sami: i just always feel like... an overwhelming majority of people
[03:54] Sami: are just plain bad at this game
[03:54] Sami: yeah?
[03:54] Max: you know the tournaments nintendo hosts right
[03:55] Max: journey across america
[03:55] Max: i met someone today who won one of them
[03:55] Max: long island at that
[03:55] Sami: oh really????
[03:55] Max: and the NYC events are ****ing insane
[03:55] Max: so i was like
[03:55] Max: cool
[03:55] Sami: that does sound cool
[03:55] Max: someone who knows his ****
[03:55] Max: he didn't know ANYTHING
[03:55] Sami: ROFL
[03:55] Sami: are you serious?
[03:55] Max: it was so ridiculous
[03:56] Max: he was like "salamence got banned because there was no garchomp to check it" and I was like bull****
[03:56] Sami: ROFL
[03:56] Sami: WAIT WHAT
[03:56] Sami: say again
[03:56] Sami: mence got banned...
[03:56] Max: mence got banned cause ****ies were too scurred to run cressy to counter his ***
[03:56] Max: hard counter
[03:56] Sami: because there was no chomp to check it?
[03:56] Max: cause ttar pursuit ***s it too bad
[03:56] Sami: cressy ***** mence hard
[03:56] Sami: up the butt
[03:56] Sami: did he say anything else?
[03:56] Max: which would make sense except 1 who cares about mence's counter counters for a ban argument and 2 the dominant sets were scarf and DD
[03:57] Max: both of which get ***ged horribly by thunderwave or icy wind
[03:57] Max: i asked him what he ran 1 vs 1 and he said "bulky attackers" and that was the end of that conversation
[03:58] Sami: *sigh*
[03:58] Sami: how do you think he won then
[03:58] Max: it's 2 vs 2?
[03:58] Max: idk
[03:58] Sami: oh
[03:58] Sami: i guess
[03:58] Max: i told him i won philly
[03:58] Max: with only 3 pokemon
[03:58] Max: i actually got knocked out in semis and took 3rd
[03:58] Max: but w/e
[03:58] Sami: yeah you told me about that
[03:58] Sami: you'd just gotten the game
[03:58] Sami: like fairly recently
[03:58] Max: and he was like"competition must not have been that good"
[03:58] Max: and I was like no I'm just that much better
[03:59] Sami: was that the one where you ran zapdos?
[03:59] Max: CB zapdos
[03:59] Sami: yup
[03:59] Max: it had 1 move
[03:59] Max: thunder
[03:59] Sami: ...
[03:59] Max: i deleted the rest
[03:59] Sami: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[03:59] Max: on purpose
[03:59] Sami: im trying hard
[03:59] Sami: not to laugh out loud
[03:59] Sami: and wake people up
[03:59] Max: I had
[03:59] Max: a modest
[03:59] Max: max spA
[03:59] Max: slow
[03:59] Max: CB
[03:59] Max: zapdos
[03:59] Max: w/ ONLY thunder
[03:59] Max: and it *****
[03:59] Max: i couldn't even protect
[04:00] Max: i had JUST got the game so i thought CB raised both stats not just attack
[04:00] Max: but I understood pokemon
[04:00] Max: and I understood zapdos
[04:00] Max: so yeah
[04:00] Max: you have to understand though, it's not like when i played pokemon online with you and branden and i'll lose half of them and not care
[04:01] Max: in person I go "world class pro" mode and I play MUCH better and idk why
[04:01] Max: i've always sucked at pokemon online
[04:01] Sami: who knows, but i know what you mean in that
[04:01] Sami: people just perform better in different situations
[04:01] Sami: for various reasons
[04:01] Sami: i can't play online chess
[04:02] Sami: worth ****
[04:02] Sami: for whatever reason
[04:02] Max: yeah
[04:02] Max: online just removes
[04:02] Max: all tension
[04:02] Max: and in pokemon
[04:02] Max: i ****ing THRIVE on tension
[04:02] Max: at my first tournament
[04:02] Max: I had a notebook and a pen
[04:02] Max: and I'd see the first pokemon
[04:02] Max: my opponents lead
[04:02] Max: and I'd write down
[04:02] Max: every move
[04:02] Max: before they did it
[04:03] Max: just to check myself for prediction
[04:03] Sami: :D
[04:03] Sami: i love doing that
[04:03] Max: i got so cocky i got to where i could call 3-4 turns in advance
[04:03] Max: BUT
[04:03] Max: I never do more than 4
[04:03] Max: it's too hard to predict because of hax
[04:03] Max: it can change the outcome
[04:03] Max: and you can't plan for it
[04:03] Sami: don't remind me >_>
[04:03] Sami: I tried for 10 once, late game
[04:03] Max: it becomes more "blurry" i guess every turn in advance that you try to predict
[04:04] Max: even if you're correct
[04:04] Sami: I lost becuase last turn my palkia missed iwth draco meteor on a giratina
[04:04] Sami: i called all 10 moves correctly T_T
[04:04] Max: yeah
[04:04] Max: including switches
[04:04] Max: and revenge choices
[04:04] Max: i'm sure
[04:04] Sami: mhhm, but it doesn't matter ultimately
[04:04] Max: in games
[04:04] Sami: i didn't really realize at the time
[04:04] Sami: what you just siad about
[04:04] Max: i play like a ****ing boss under tension
[04:04] Sami: predicting too far ahead
[04:04] Max: so at any point where theres no tension
[04:04] Sami: at least you know what gets you going
[04:04] Max: i don't look like anything special
[04:05] Max: you
[04:05] Max: on the other hand
[04:05] Max: have a mental block
[04:05] Max: you have to
[04:05] Sami: figure out what it is
[04:05] Max: you **** too hard @ friendlies not to
[04:05] Sami: ?
[04:05] Max: hmm
[04:05] Max: I think you have
[04:05] Max: the same problem PC had
[04:05] Max: when he first started
[04:05] Max: I talked to PC at his very first tournament
[04:05] Sami: what was that????
[04:05] Max: it was my 3rd
[04:05] Sami: i love old school stories :D
[04:05] Max: he played only ganon
[04:06] Max: and figured out l canceling at the tournament
[04:06] Sami: really?!
[04:06] Max: at the time i was just a fellow player and no coach at all
[04:06] Max: but i was talking to him
[04:06] Max: in a corner of the store
[04:06] Max: some gayass game store
[04:06] Max: 4th floor of some shady *** building
[04:06] Max: downtown manhattan
[04:06] Max: he said he was doing better than expected but he was nervous
[04:07] Max: and i didn't have much to say so i just kind of empathized with him
[04:07] Max: i got nervous too
[04:07] Max: until i found my niche
[04:07] Max: and i said are you nervous often?
[04:07] Max: he said
[04:07] Max: he only ever got nervous at sports
[04:07] Max: PC played a lot of sports before smash
[04:07] Sami: ditto
[04:07] Max: football and baseball and some others
[04:07] Sami: didn't know that htough
[04:08] Max: he said when he played football, he would be nervous going into the game and getting on the field and up to the line
[04:08] Max: but once he was on the line, it all went away and he was just in the game
[04:08] Max: and his performance became very natural
[04:08] Sami: hmm, mkay
[04:08] Sami: then what?
[04:08] Max: so I told him
[04:08] Max: okay
[04:08] Max: lets make ganon into football
[04:08] Max: it's okay to be nervous going into a match
[04:08] Max: nervous about the opponent
[04:09] Max: people watching
[04:09] Max: whatever
[04:09] Max: but
[04:09] Max: after you hear GO
[04:09] Max: make the next 4 minutes putting your fist into the opponent
[04:09] Max: he got 7th at that tournament i think
[04:09] Max: but you're a hell of a lot better than your opponents than PC was vs his opponents at that time
[04:10] Max: PC was just an average player with an average character
[04:10] Max: and learned very quickly
[04:10] Sami: hmm, you know
[04:10] Sami: thats how i used to be
[04:10] Sami: especially with tests
[04:10] Sami: or performances
[04:10] Sami: or sports
[04:10] Max: yeah
[04:10] Sami: the last minutes leading upt o it
[04:10] Sami: i'd be super nervous
[04:10] Max: watching you in tournament reminds me of PC's mental state in a lot of ways
[04:10] Sami: then as soon as it starts
[04:10] Sami: no nerves
[04:10] Max: you both have your moments per se
[04:10] Max: but they have to be all the time and consistent
[04:11] Max: kevin looks like he was probably the same way
[04:11] Max: and his talks about confidence probably support that
[04:11] Sami: but then he figured it out, it seems
[04:11] Max: now
[04:11] Max: idk **** about kevin before pound 4
[04:11] Max: so we'll see how right i am lol
[04:11] Max: i just know cactuar said he had a lot of inner talent
[04:11] Sami: kevin definitely had confidence problems
[04:11] Max: cactuar is a good judge of skill also
[04:12] Sami: hmm, i think the main thing that holds me back
[04:12] Sami: is that i care so much about winning that i put presusre on myself
[04:12] Sami: when i enter tournies for mvc
[04:12] Sami: or brawl
[04:12] Sami: or something i honestly don't care about
[04:12] Sami: i only get nervous at super intense moments
[04:12] Sami: while in melee im nervous the whole time
[04:13] Max: it's very common for falco players to have confidence issues
[04:13] Max: falco is such that as long as you have confidence, you can roll people all day
[04:13] Max: as soon as you lose it, he just feels so...fallible
[04:13] Sami: yeah =/
[04:13] Max: yeah
[04:13] Max: PC knows it
[04:13] Max: forward knows it
[04:13] Max: hell, I posted it and kevin quoted it
[04:13] Sami: such is falco
[04:13] Sami: you're right, you're right
[04:13] Sami: hmm, honestly
[04:13] Sami: a lot of my current situation is the build up
[04:14] Sami: the 6 isolated years in savannah
[04:14] Sami: where branden and I would always wish we were at MLGs
[04:14] Sami: or at FC3 playin in the crew battles
[04:14] Max: your problem
[04:14] Sami: or at genesis watching mango
[04:14] Max: is also
[04:14] Max: that you're not a fox player
[04:14] Max: yet
[04:14] Sami: hmm, what do you mean?
[04:14] Max: you're a falco player for now
[04:14] Max: like it or not
[04:14] Max: you want to BEAT people
[04:14] Max: fox isn't about that
[04:14] Max: when you get better
[04:14] Max: you may have a change of tastes
[04:14] Max: but for now you're a falco player
[04:15] Sami: yo'ure right, i really do want to bea tpeople
[04:15] Sami: with an emphasis on beating them
[04:15] Sami: what do you think changes for fox?
[04:15] Max: fox isn't about beating people
[04:15] Max: nor is he about not losing
[04:15] Max: fox is about doing what you want to do
[04:15] Max: if you're a good fox
[04:15] Max: players will tell you
[04:15] Max: they don't know why they lost
[04:15] Max: or what they lost to
[04:16] Sami: cactuar?
[04:16] Max: cactuar ****s up a lot
[04:16] Sami: that sounds familiar as a description of cactuar*
[04:16] Max: cactuar is good
[04:16] Max: but he ****s up a lot
[04:16] Sami: ahh mkayt
[04:16] Sami: and i think i understand what you're saying
[04:16] Sami: it reminded me of a tourney set at G6
[04:16] Sami: my second round was against an MDVA fox
[04:16] Max: it's hard to describe unfortunately
[04:17] Sami: krazyknux
[04:17] Sami: first match i went in and like
[04:17] Sami: i just did what i wanted to him
[04:17] Sami: i didn't really have any mentality
[04:17] Max: i played smash and was a tier 2 player for like 4 years, 2003-2007 and after that I pretty much suxked
[04:17] Sami: or something i was going for
[04:17] Max: but that entire time every mother ****er gave me no credit
[04:18] Max: hugs told me to my face that zelgadis was better than me after I 2-0'd BOTH of them in a row
[04:18] Max: **** like that
[04:18] Sami: LOL zelgadis
[04:18] Max: so after a while you just take the insults to the chin and move on through the bracket i guess
[04:18] Max: zel was good in his time
[04:18] Max: not tops good, but certainly no slouch
[04:18] Sami: i always wondered if he was good
[04:18] Max: you'd **** him sideways
[04:19] Sami: the fun type of ****
[04:19] Max: you're way better now at your keyboard than zelgadis ever was
[04:19] Sami: mhhhm
[04:19] Sami: but was this you playing zelda, btw?
[04:19] Max: no
[04:19] Max: fox
[04:19] Max: i switched to zelda later around 2007
[04:19] Max: zelda felt much easier than fox for a long time but i ignored it
[04:20] Max: i have a freakish natural inclination towards the character and I avoided it for a long time because she sucks
[04:20] Max: after i went to college i had no reason to care
[04:20] Sami: so you just played her
[04:20] Max: I was a good fox player with a lot of dedication and work but it wasn't natural in any way
[04:20] Max: it was very forced
[04:20] Sami: oh, mkay
[04:21] Sami: while zelda was
[04:21] Sami: well, natural
[04:21] Max: zelda was like
[04:21] Sami: do you have any idea why?
[04:21] Max: i would play good players
[04:21] Max: azen PC chu etc
[04:21] Max: and i could lose as fox
[04:21] Max: just because i wasn't as good as them
[04:21] Max: which was true
[04:21] Max: but i could switch to zelda
[04:21] Max: and all of a sudden
[04:22] Max: umbreonmow just beat top tier players for 3 hours straight
[04:22] Max: now my zelda could NEVER beat m2k
[04:22] Max: not even when he sucked
[04:22] Max: which is part of the reason i taught him to the best of my ability
[04:22] Max: even when my fox 4 stocked m2k over and over and over, i would turn around and lose as any other character
[04:23] Sami: oh wow
[04:23] Sami: ... why's tha?
[04:23] Max: cause he's not ******** and understood that skill can only get you so far
[04:23] Max: no matter how good you are, you are still playing by the limitations of the game
[04:23] Max: and zelda really just doesn't like lasers much
[04:23] Sami: yeah sure
[04:23] Max: haha
[04:23] Sami: oh man, he shot lasers?
[04:23] Sami: NOVEL IDEA
[04:23] Sami: perhaps midwest should try it?
[04:23] Max: they do
[04:23] Max: still suck
[04:23] Max: LOL
[04:24] Sami: LOOOL
[04:24] Max: PP's laser game ***** me at p5
[04:24] Max: i lost so many guessing games
[04:24] Max: i love being outplayed
[04:24] Sami: thats something i've noticed
[04:24] Sami: when an opponent is better than me
[04:24] Sami: the entire match is just a big guessing game
[04:24] Sami: with me losing every guess
[04:24] Max: seems right
[04:24] Max: if you're ever in a match
[04:25] Max: and you always feel outprioritized in move exchanges
[04:25] Max: and it's not brawl
[04:25] Max: you're probably being outplayed
[04:25] Sami: mhhm
[04:25] Max: lol
[04:25] Max: **** brawl
[04:25] Sami: i agree =/
[04:25] Sami: i think i truly realized that whe i played PP's falcon
[04:25] Sami: since he DD'd a lot, it was a lot of rock paper scissors
[04:25] Sami: and i jsut felt like
[04:25] Sami: he was guessing right more often
[04:25] Sami: and that moment it sort of hit me that
[04:26] Max: lol @ suggesting that kevin "guesses"
[04:26] Sami: well, hes just better
[04:26] Sami: and theres nothing more to it than that
[04:26] Sami: like, at least when i lost to lucky in friendlies
[04:26] Sami: i realized he knew the MU so much better
[04:26] Sami: and was more developed as a fo
[04:26] Sami: fox*
[04:26] Sami: against PP was the first time i ever truly just realized
[04:26] Sami: well, no matter how well i play
[04:26] Sami: this guy is straight up better htan me at the moment
[04:27] Sami: it feels that way =P
[04:27] Sami: obviously its not the case
[04:27] Max: Dr Peepee guesses in smash about as often as meteors extinguish all life on the planet
[04:27] Sami: hes too calculated
[04:27] Sami: to guess, i guess
[04:27] Sami: calculating*
[04:27] Max: yeah
[04:27] Max: i really admire his ability to grasp the game's limits and to work with them
[04:28] Max: I think he likes the romanticism that mango adds with his creativity
[04:28] Max: but mango's fruity playstyle is also why he gets his *** sacked and gets 17th when he's so much better than his opponents
[04:28] Max: no pun on the fruity lol
[04:29] Sami: no pun? bull****
[04:29] Max: i seriously couldn't think of a better word
[04:29] Max: lmao
[04:29] Max: i tried
[04:29] Sami: hahaha, well it was a good word
[04:30] Sami: but yeha, on the lines of all of this
[04:30] Sami: that set with krazy knux
[04:30] Sami: game 2 was like a solid 1 stock
[04:30] Sami: but really close
[04:30] Sami: game 1? I JV 4d him
[04:30] Max: oh
[04:30] Sami: first match i just played and did things
[04:30] Max: if you ever want to know
[04:30] Max: who plays what
[04:30] Sami: second game? I started realizing like
[04:30] Max: ask me
[04:30] Sami: who plays what?
[04:30] Max: no you first
[04:30] Max: sorry
[04:31] Sami: ah mkay, no problem =P
[04:31] Sami: but yeah, second game as soon as i won
[04:31] Sami: i sort of snapped back to reality and was like
[04:31] Sami: "Oh ****, i better not mess this up"
[04:31] Sami: my problem is when i start consciously thinking things like
[04:31] Sami: oh **** im gonna lose
[04:31] Sami: or i have to step it up
[04:31] Sami: or anythign really
[04:31] Sami: when im in my more natural state
[04:31] Sami: i can make conscious decisions etc
[04:31] Sami: but i don't consciously think anything outside of the gameplay itself
[04:31] Max: then you just have to put yourself in that state?
[04:31] Sami: its when my mentality departs from strictly the game that i start failing
[04:32] Sami: or rather, find a way to make sure
[04:32] Sami: my mentality doesn't go into the out of game stuff
[04:32] Sami: I've been thinking about it a lot, and think thats the biggest thing
[04:32] Sami: when i think about something outside of
[04:32] Sami: im fox, hes marth
[04:32] Sami: lets **** him
[04:32] Max: lol
[04:32] Sami: but go ahead
[04:32] Max: oh
[04:32] Max: well
[04:32] Max: first
[04:33] Max: you need to put yourself in that state of mind
[04:33] Max: ...somehow
[04:33] Max: 2nd as i was saying
[04:33] Max: if you can't tell who plays what
[04:33] Max: I know
[04:33] Max: like
[04:33] Max: jesiahTEG
[04:33] Max: is a marth player
[04:33] Sami: ohh you mean like that
[04:33] Max: like, period
[04:33] Max: you're a falco player
[04:33] Max: at least for now
[04:33] Sami: i think so too
[04:33] Max: that stuff can change with experience though
[04:34] Max: 3rd
[04:34] Sami: yeah?
[04:34] Max: as for your skill level
[04:34] Max: i don't think you're as good as
[04:34] Max: pp
[04:34] Max: m2k
[04:34] Max: hbox
[04:34] Max: shiz
[04:34] Max: lambchops
[04:34] Max: colbol
[04:34] Max: but i think you're above everyone else in the south after that
[04:35] Max: and thats what you should play to for now
[04:35] Max: and stop losing to everyone not on that list
[04:35] Max: if you even do at all
[04:35] Max: after m2k leaves GA, that should put you at 6th?
[04:35] Max: i think?
[04:35] Sami: lambchops isn't in the south anymore
[04:36] Max: oh
[04:36] Max: and yay
[04:36] Max: he's at least better than you in teams
[04:36] Max: idk about singles though
[04:36] Sami: id like to think im better than him in singles
[04:36] Max: i'd bet on you over him in singles probably
[04:36] Sami: i mean, this could be due to styles or something else
[04:36] Sami: but hes never beaten merck in a tournament set
[04:36] Sami: ever.
[04:36] Sami: period
[04:37] Sami: and they've had like a notable number
[04:37] Sami: probably 4 or so
[04:37] Sami: maybe 5
[04:37] Sami: oh well, not the point
[04:37] Sami: i'd like to play colbol really badly though
[04:38] Max: i think colbol would hand you your ***
[04:38] Max: lol
[04:38] Sami: he didn't last time we played >_>
[04:38] Sami: and idk, he seems to be bad at fox dittos
[04:38] Max: he was forever ago when i played him at pound 3
[04:38] Max: before he had a receeding hairline lol
[04:38] Sami: XDDDDDD
[04:38] Sami: his hair looool
[04:38] Sami: well like, at apex
[04:39] Sami: he lost to SW and eggz
[04:39] Sami: in pound 5 pools he lost to lovage...
[04:39] Sami: lovage ... >_>
[04:39] Sami: from what i can tell, hes just honestly not that good at the matchup
[04:39] Sami: but yeah we played at TO6
[04:39] Sami: in pools
[04:39] Sami: and in a lot of friendlies
[04:39] Sami: the friendlies were dead even, but we were both screwing around so those don't count
[04:39] Sami: in bracket i ewnt falco and marth
[04:39] Sami: in pools*
[04:39] Sami: and he 1 stocked me both matches
[04:40] Sami: thougoh he may have been sandbagging
[04:40] Sami: since i honestly don't think i was too good back then
[04:40] Max: hmm
[04:40] Max: well I'm off from time to time
[04:40] Max: so i'll take your experience over my guessing lol
[04:40] Sami: xDD
[04:41] Max: i'm not the kind to deny reality haha
[04:41] Sami: plus, i'd like to think taht iw ouldn't get my *** handed to me by anybody
[04:41] Sami: thats not like
[04:41] Sami: obviously top tier
[04:41] Sami: like, if I got ***** by m2k or armada or something
[04:41] Sami: its not something im about to be mad about
[04:41] Sami: but if i get ***** by like
[04:41] Sami: lovage or somebody
[04:42] Sami: i wouldn't be too happy with myself >______<
[04:42] Max: ?
[04:42] Max: you're not much worse than those players
[04:42] Max: you just have some mental blockage going on
[04:42] Sami: than which ones
[04:42] Max: any
[04:42] Sami: mhhm
[04:42] Sami: but i know that i have the mental block
[04:42] Sami: plus, peahc is incredibly gay
[04:43] Max: why
[04:43] Sami: i have no idea
[04:43] Sami: its the same way samus is gay to me
[04:43] Sami: its not that the character is good
[04:43] Sami: i just urn into their moves
[04:43] Max: peach is ganondorf with a dress and a better recovery
[04:43] Sami: because id on't know what they can do
[04:43] Sami: that doesn't help, i suck vs ganon
[04:43] Sami: LOOOOOOOOL
[04:43] Sami: okay, to be fair thats not the case anymore
[04:43] Sami: but there are a lot of matchups im just not familiar with the spacings for
[04:43] Sami: whats safe and what isn't, etc
[04:43] Max: don't get ***ged by fair/bair, don't get ***ged by grab tricks
[04:44] Sami: i mean, me vs m2k's sheik was a great example
[04:44] Max: camp them
[04:44] Sami: my best method of dealing with characters i don't know how to fight is pick falco
[04:44] Sami:
[04:44] Sami: if im lasering, i don't have to deal with their bull****
[04:44] Max: ?
[04:44] Max: falco doesn't fight them better
[04:44] Max: you fight them better as falco
[04:44] Sami: he doesn't, im just better at it
[04:44] Sami: yeah
[04:44] Max: understand what your character choice does for you
[04:45] Sami: it limits what they can do
[04:45] Sami: so i don't have to worry about the things i don't know how to fight
[04:45] Sami: for example vs ICs
[04:45] Sami: I do'nt understand their movement
[04:45] Sami: idk how far they can go, or how quickly
[04:45] Sami: and all that
[04:45] Sami: with falco i don't have to worry about any of that
[04:45] Max: you don't worry about it in the first place
[04:45] Max: you just lose to it
[04:45] Max: and feel weird about it later
[04:46] Max: we talk about this enough lol
[04:46] Max: with falco, you just beat them and then you can't lose to said problem
[04:46] Max: you are not a fox player
[04:46] Sami: *sigh* yeah
[04:46] Max: oddly
[04:46] Max: i do think your fox is very good
[04:47] Max: and with a change of mentality could be a good bit better
[04:47] Max: not a huge jump
[04:47] Max: but enough to be obvious
[04:47] Sami: but noticeable differenace
[04:47] Sami: yeah
[04:47] Sami: difference*
[04:47] Sami: the main thing i usually hear comparing my two characters
[04:47] Sami: after somebody plays me, that is
[04:47] Sami: is taht they say they think my fox is smarter, or they can't out read my fox
[04:47] Sami: or something along those lines
[04:47] Sami: but that my falco seems better
[04:47] Sami: like, on a mental level
[04:47] Sami: they can't get around my fox
[04:48] Sami: almost as if i suddenly play smarter with him for some reason
[04:48] Max: i think
[04:48] Max: you'll switch to falco
[04:48] Max: it'll feel easier at first
[04:48] Max: then after confidence is no longer an issue
[04:48] Max: fox will feel easier a lot of the time
[04:48] Max: and eventually you'll "get it" and you'll switch back
[04:48] Sami: that honestly sounds like a plan
[04:49] Max: fox is broken because he can choose when to attack, and until you REALLY get what that means, you're only playing a high tier and not a top tier
[04:49] Max: almost all foxes are high tier
[04:50] Sami: who do you think is top tier
[04:50] Max: i think the 2 best chars in the game are marth and falco
[04:50] Max: and they're very close
[04:50] Max: but i think marth is better
[04:50] Max: fox 3rd
[04:50] Max: sheik 4th
[04:50] Max: falcon 5th
[04:50] Sami: over peach?
[04:50] Sami: im surprised
[04:50] Max: peach 6th
[04:50] Max: jpuff 7th
[04:50] Max: i've had that opinion for a very long time
[04:51] Sami: i guess i always just get the feelin that
[04:51] Max: however
[04:51] Sami: you really think peach is great
[04:51] Max: i also feel that falcon is not viable in a tournament setting
[04:51] Sami: but thats probably more of a relative to everybody else
[04:51] Sami: due to?
[04:51] Max: even though i put him over peach and jpuff
[04:51] Max: falcon's CP options are just too weak in a tournament setting
[04:51] Max: as opposed to peach
[04:51] Max: peach thrives on CP options
[04:52] Max: a lot of time i tell good players to have a pocket peach specifically for some CP matches
[04:52] Max: and nothing else
[04:52] Max: because at high play she's easier than most characters
[04:52] Sami: shes ridiculously easy >_>
[04:52] Max: i wouldn't go that far
[04:52] Max: her mobility is a big deal for her
[04:52] Sami: my controller can't mess up when i play peach
[04:52] Sami: because theres no lcanceling
[04:52] Sami: >_>
[04:52] Max: try playing peach vs a good player
[04:52] Max: it is SO HARD to get back on the stage
[04:53] Max: she has NOTHING coming up from the edge
[04:53] Sami: I've only done that in teams unfortunately
[04:53] Sami: i've never gotten to play somebody good in singles
[04:53] Max: like really nothing
[04:53] Sami: mhhm, its true
[04:54] Max: I'm posting this conversation
[04:54] Max: the theory we went over is too good
