PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Fortress | Sveet]

I'm redoing it to see the pic.

Question 12: Do you fantasize about your character? Not sure how to answer xD

edit- Question 17: Is your character an assassin? A bracket assassin, definitely...


Woot i got one! Now to send a picture in (there as no baby picture you liar chris!!!!!!)

 

[KirbyKaze]

If they ground themselves you U-tilt again

Problem solved

Some timing required

 

[Dr Peepee]

I would think if someone CC'd or ASDI'd utilt down then they could shield before the next utilt.

Unless I totally missed what was going on here.

 

[Winston]

they can't CC again when they're in that contortion animation and utilt typically combos those characters better at those %s.

Really? I thought you could always ASDI down, provided you arent in the ground bouncing animation.

 

[KirbyKaze]

If they get grounded from u-tilt, do it again

I'm assuming you're doing these u-tilts after like 15-20 so they get knocked down if they're hit during the Dair's stun

If not, you're doing it wrong

 

[Winston]

Yeah I saw your response, I was just wondering about Mogwai's assertion that you can't CC (false CC) during that animation.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Is d-tilt up for discussion or something?

 

[Druggedfox]

Both the fox and falco boards at the same time?! It's a sign.

 

[Divinokage]

I guess it would be decent vs floaties that die early at like 130 from dtilt middle stage.. other than that I would say dsmash is a better option at like 70-80 when close to the edge since the angle that sends opponents downwards is disgusting lol.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i dtilt at 70-80% anyways cause it combos into dair

 

[KirbyKaze]

I U-tilt from 20 - 150%+ because it combos into everything useful/relevant up to about 110 and at about 150 it starts KOing.

Hmmm.

There's like a 40% range where it's not useful. I wonder how I've never noticed it before.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

falco's tilts are my favorite moves in the game. then its wavedash

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yeah I saw your response, I was just wondering about Mogwai's assertion that you can't CC (false CC) during that animation.

Yeah I'm pretty sure you can't "CC" then.

I U-tilt from 20 - 150%+ because it combos into everything useful/relevant up to about 110 and at about 150 it starts KOing.

Hmmm.

There's like a 40% range where it's not useful. I wonder how I've never noticed it before.

Doesn't that change somewhat with the character though?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I guess Fox probably works a bit lower.

 

[PK Webb]

question from falcos point of view how do u guys handle the fox match up? what r the key things to do in this matchup

 

[JPOBS]

Doesn't that change somewhat with the character though?

I guess Fox probably works a bit lower.

i lol'd so hard.

 

[Dr Peepee]

-Hit Fox with your lasers/use them to cut off where he can go but don't overdo it

-Keep a varied shield pressure/grab game to avoid getting Usmash/shine OOS *****

-CC Nair below 40% to shine combos

-Bair/Utilt as countermoves or to abuse platform positioning when Fox is on them

-laser fox when he's offstage to get him lower and, ideally, spike the side bs

-use different throws

-nair ***** when fox is mid percents or caught oos and dair is great to start combos or finish them or keep them going

-don't stay in shield for long, no matter what

-shine oos/wd oos to beat fox's shield pressure

-ban FD or DL......or whatever you hate the most I guess lol

 

[#HBC | Mac]

how do you pin down a fox who fh/double jump camps/baits/whatever it is alot?

 

[Dr Peepee]

Catching him when he lands is the most concise way to answer that.

As long as you can watch Fox while you're able to move around a bit you can usually find a way to at least pressure him pretty well on his landing spots. It just takes some reaction time and adjustment to focusing harder on how Fox is moving.

 

[FoxLisk]

yo what do you guys think of running shine -> turnaround -> sh bair?

ive been using it as an approach with mixed success. it's obviously vulnerable for a decent amount of time, but it sort of tricks people into trying to deal with your approach, then you stop and confuse them, and then you throw out a bit meaty hitbox, so it can work sometimes.

also someone needs to find a use for moonwalk->shine so i can talk about moonshine :D

 

[TheDekuNut]

i tried getting Dr PP but i got m2k then mango (lol at the pic), then i went on to get Neighbor that Halo dude. boo.
tried again and got pc chris

i was about to get ken i think "Is your character famous thanks to reality television? "

and 2015--shine drop edgehog. makes shine turnaround wd look like child's play
2025 ------infinite shine pressure and fox becomes a banned character Melee dies and the universe implodes

edit: i got the urine doctor http://us.akinator.com/# success

 

[Dr Peepee]

yo what do you guys think of running shine -> turnaround -> sh bair?

ive been using it as an approach with mixed success. it's obviously vulnerable for a decent amount of time, but it sort of tricks people into trying to deal with your approach, then you stop and confuse them, and then you throw out a bit meaty hitbox, so it can work sometimes.

also someone needs to find a use for moonwalk->shine so i can talk about moonshine :D

Eh, it could be good, but doing that out of nowhere would be risky without prior similar conditioning I'd bet(like run up grab or run up WD back or something).

lol at moonshine

i tried getting Dr PP but i got m2k then mango (lol at the pic), then i went on to get Neighbor that Halo dude. boo.
tried again and got pc chris

i was about to get ken i think "Is your character famous thanks to reality television? "

and 2015--shine drop edgehog. makes shine turnaround wd look like child's play
2025 ------infinite shine pressure and fox becomes a banned character Melee dies and the universe implodes

edit: i got the urine doctor http://us.akinator.com/# success

All of this new stuff I always forget how to do lol. There's a video for shine dropping right? Maybe I'll work on learning that as well....

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

im trying to get PP again to see if he has a pic yet. I first got Grubby (wc3 pro) then some street fighter dude then m2k.... trying again...

 

[Dr Peepee]

I don't understand why this is so important LOL.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Because youre the host with the most

 

[tw1n]

I had a question for asking but then I read the answer a few pages back...

So instead I figured I'd say hi to everyone in here who I know (and even who I do not know) and hope to see you all soon.

Hi everyone and I hope to see you all soon :D

 

[FoxLisk]

Eh, it could be good, but doing that out of nowhere would be risky without prior similar conditioning I'd bet(like run up grab or run up WD back or something).

yeah, of course. it's just a way to put a hitbox at that spot, and you can't really put any other moves there out of a dash. so like if you approach with nair and marth fairs you out of it, a shine turnaround bair has a better chance of hitting him/trading with his fair.

idk. just something ive been experimenting with.

 

[Kanelol]

oh my goood i can't believe someone brought up running shine --> turanaround --> bair

i've been ****ing around with it lately

awful as an aproach, but as a techchase, it's pretty dank, if you can get the timing right and not get anxious to bair really really fast

but it's true potential shines through when you do it into a ledgecancel INTO ANOTHER BAIR OR A DAIR OR SOMETHING **** **** ****

 

[KirbyKaze]

i lol'd so hard.

i was only missing one reply to have the complete combo

FALCO BOARDS SUCK YOU GUYS LET ME DOWN

falco is too slow to shine turn around bair approach

 

[FoxLisk]

well he's much too slow for it to be a bread and butter approach, but it can work if your opponent isn't expecting it.

maybe it can't. do you think it can be realistically punished on reaction? i dont think it's quite that slow, so i think it has uses. maybe im wrong.

 

[EWC]

I think that if you want to get a bair out in front of you when you're in your running, it's better to crouch->pivot bair. Its probably a little faster and it makes it easier to control where the hitbox goes.

 

[Mogwai]

go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FoxLisk]

I think that if you want to get a bair out in front of you when you're in your running, it's better to crouch->pivot bair. Its probably a little faster and it makes it easier to control where the hitbox goes.

oh duh. lol. discussion over, then.

 

[Pr0jecT]

I've been toying with missed tech punishment's on platforms.

Shield drop Shine Bair works actually REALLY well

 

[Dr Peepee]

Do you think you could explain what you mean by that? I don't quite follow.

 

[Palpi]

I am thinking that he might be shielding a get up attack with his back turned to his opponent...then he shield drops and bairs through teh plat?

 

[Pr0jecT]

Say you're tech chasing people through platforms and you manage to get into a situation where you Dair fox on the top platform and he DI's onto a lower platform and misses his tech.

Naturally, you chase him down to the lower platform: Shield Dropping lets you drop through the platform ANYWHERE while running.

Fox is on his back: Run ontop of him, Shield Drop > Shine > Bair. With practice you can do this all within the same ammount of time it would take to do just about anything else.

What I'm finding is that it's not just flashy and a decent mixup. It's such an odd thing to have happen to you people don't seem to DI it correctly or panic after being hit.

People tend to jump away after the bair hits, and you can just chase them down out of the air with lasers if you predict it correctly.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i'm gonna **** all you falcos up at pound LOL.

lookin forward to it.

EVEN YOU KEVIN "THATDUDE" NANNYBOY

 

[tarheeljks]

if you want to shine him on the ground why not just wavedash and shine? shielddrop seems superfluous

 

[Dr Peepee]

Say you're tech chasing people through platforms and you manage to get into a situation where you Dair fox on the top platform and he DI's onto a lower platform and misses his tech.

Naturally, you chase him down to the lower platform: Shield Dropping lets you drop through the platform ANYWHERE while running.

Fox is on his back: Run ontop of him, Shield Drop > Shine > Bair. With practice you can do this all within the same ammount of time it would take to do just about anything else.

What I'm finding is that it's not just flashy and a decent mixup. It's such an odd thing to have happen to you people don't seem to DI it correctly or panic after being hit.

People tend to jump away after the bair hits, and you can just chase them down out of the air with lasers if you predict it correctly.

Well I mean you could shine over top of them and then DJ punish or just drop below them and then punish their getup with like a FH aerial, but yeah this is an alternative to all of that which seems kinda flashy but effective.