Ok, who got their money from Pound 5 (Winners)

[Life]

^I'm a Brawl player and I was warning everyone about getting hotheaded. Brawl vs. Melee is stupid and doesn't belong in this thread. Now let's get back to QQing over Plank, k?

(btw, mad props for playing YL)

 

[Yung Mei]

^I'm a Brawl player and I was warning everyone about getting hotheaded. Brawl vs. Melee is stupid and doesn't belong in this thread. Now let's get back to QQing over Plank, k?

(btw, mad props for playing YL)

though it wasnt really Brawl vs Melee, it was Brawl players vs Melee players

what the **** is Chen doing here as a smiley?

 

[Laijin]

(btw, mad props for playing YL)

haha. thanks.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

So, I read this whole thread (did not read the whole results thread, but I think I have a decent grasp of what's going on here)...

This is way deeper than I thought at first... Plank really, REALLY needs to show some legal documents.

Ally, Armada, etc.; guys who lost money on this; would you accept an apology from Plank if he could show that he really did lose quite a lot of money over this due to getting ****ed by the hotel guys? Yes, I know, it was irresponsible of him to get into a situation like this in the first place, but if you aren't willing to give him time (not necessarily even give up on ever seeing the money again, but just to wait until he's able to pay you guys), and he really is in a ****ed-up financial situation, then there's really no way forward here-you can't exactly sue a person who has no money, and you're likely to lose a fair bit of cash in legal fees, plus permanently bankrupt one of the nation's most prominent TOs.

If you'd be willing to wait, then Plank has nothing to lose by coming forward with legal documents/emails/etc. explaining his side of this situation. As such? I can understand him distancing himself from the community. Sure, your (and by you I mean Ally) cries for blood are fairly justified, but it's not helping us reach a resolution that anyone would be happy with (again: legal fees, ruining plank's life, etc.), and whoever said it before was right-him mentioning anything stands a decent chance of working against him in the long run if there is a lawsuit.

EDIT: If Plank is completely unwilling to come forward with any proof that he is as ****ed as he is, then by all means, take him to court for fraud. The chance that he ripped off the community, as unlikely as it seems given his record, is still there. All plank has to give us is SOME proof that he's as ****ed as he claims. That can't be too much...

Granted, I'm not sure how long you'd have to wait ($9000 is a ****load of money)... Meh, this whole situation just blows. It's times like this where I'm glad I'm not a top-level player.

 

[Armada]

I have already said i trust Plank and I forgive him.
But If he´s showing everything that would make the whole situation better cause know it looks like two part of groups (one think he took the money and one think he have been honest).

So ofc I accept a apology but i really think he should say something now.
Many have hard situations now (me included cause right now I don´t have money to pay my liabilities cause i don´t get my money) and this makes it even worse.

I really hopethe thread for me turns out well (and everything for everyone how have become affected of this).

 

[TP]

Nope.
Brawl is full of little kids.
Melee players are older, thus more mature.

Totally understandable.

Does anyone else see the irony in this unprovoked post about the immaturity of an entire community?

 

[Yung Mei]

Does anyone else see the irony in this unprovoked post about the immaturity of an entire community?

i dont think it was unprovoked lul

 

[Bob Money]

When a man has a problem he solves it, not run away from it.

Whether it takes 30 seconds to solve or 10 years, he tries his hardest to solve it eventually.

 

[CAOTIC]

^ The words of a man, not a coward.

 

[Pi]

@Those saying he should have made paying the winners a priority.

He signed a contract with the hotel, a legally binding contract; no doubt with a time constraint on it. If he were to attempt to put off paying the hotel it would end up costing him more more. Financially he made the best decision, paying off the hotel fee's first.

I find it disgusting that first and foremost ya'll want plank to be in debt 9k instead of the winners not profiting from the event. Plan did not have 9k, he would have at the very least had to taken a loan out for 9k to pay off the hotel. Which incurs interest.

I understand that it was His Fault, he shouldn't have put faith in smashers because we've shown time and time again that our community is immature and takes miles when we're given inches, but ya'll are criminalizing him and making him out to be this horrible person when his intentions were good, and not selfish. And the only thing he did wrong was putting faith in the community.

 

[Nicknyte]

When a man has a problem he solves it, not run away from it.

Whether it takes 30 seconds to solve or 10 years, he tries his hardest to solve it eventually.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I would be fine with seeing what else Plank has to say if everyone could hold off on trying to kill him in the process.

 

[Life]

Semi-unrelated, but I'm surprised at the lack of OVER 9000 jokes/trolling relating to Plank's debt. This IS pretty serious. o_0

Jokes aside, wish there was something I could do to help.

 

[GHNeko]

It's like the ****ing witch trials in here.

 

[Nicknyte]

Semi-unrelated, but I'm surprised at the lack of OVER 9000 jokes/trolling relating to Plank's debt. This IS pretty serious. o_0

Jokes aside, wish there was something I could do to help.

Donate to the various funds all over the Tournament and Melee boards, brawl too, I just dont go there if they have any. Don't be a troll. Help shape up an investigative commitee that isn't based on trying to sue Plank, just get answers.

Thanks for being civil about this, you're a true bro.

 

[Laijin]

Just throwing this in since some of you obviously don't know.
If Plank had cancelled Pound or broken the contract, he would have owed the venue over 30k.

 

[JPOBS]

i find it hilarious that everyone has a "holier than thou" outlook on this towards plank, when surely pretty much everyone would have done the exact same thing.

People suggesting plank should have payed out winners and suffered the consequences to the hotel himself, are being incredibly biased.

I'm NOT condoning what plank did, or excusing him, but pretty much anyone else in the world would have done the same thing, and to tell yourself "no i would have delt with the massive corporate Hyatt hotel and all their lawyers myself" is delusional.

edit.

 

[DJRome]

again, why are you privy to such knowledge?

 

[Laijin]

i find it hilarious that everyone has a "holier than thou" outlook on this towards plank, when surely pretty much everyone would have done the exact same thing.

People suggesting plank should have payed out winners and suffered the consequences to the hotel himself, are being incredibly biased.

I'm condoning what plank did, or excusing him, but pretty much anyone else in the world would have done the same thing, and to tell yourself "no i would have delt with the massive corporate Hyatt hotel and all their lawyers myself" is delusional.

Exactly. If you were faced with either being in incredibly massive debt/ over your "moral obligation" or whatever, you would have done the same thing.

 

[GHNeko]

Just throwing this in since some of you obviously don't know.
If Plank had cancelled Pound or broken the contract, he would have owed the venue over 30k.

Jesus christ what.

 

[hungrybox]

If I was a millionare I would so give the winners the money out of my own pocket

that's what this community means to me

 

[stingers]

and people that condone his actions on the grounds that they would have done the same thing are better than those that condemn him I suppose. he got in way over his head and stole $10k from the community. i could personally care less about his problems.

@hbox I was just thinking the same thing earlier today lol

 

[Lobos]

Hungrybox if I was a millionare, I would host a national event, fly in good deserving players, house everyone for free and no venue charge.

lol @ 10k I like how it increases.....inb4 OVER 9000....oh wait

 

[Malcolm.O]

On a more serious note, I don't understand how Plank can just view this thread from time to time and not say anything or at least try to comfort the players who lose money.

Also If Plank has the time to view this thread I think he has the time to explain himself more or show some type of document proving that he really did owe the money.

Just my 2 cents

 

[JPOBS]

and people that condone his actions on the grounds that they would have done the same thing are better than those that condemn him I suppose. he got in way over his head and stole $10k from the community. i could personally care less about his problems.

Im not condoning his actions, that was a typo haha.

I'm just pointing how how everyone should get the **** of their high moral horses and realize that in reality, you're (and i) just as scummy as he is. The only difference is it was him and not you.

Its easy to not care about another human being, especially when he's wronged people (not you directly, were you even at pound?), but saying he "should" have done so and so just makes me facepalm.

Reason in the face of anger is all i'm pointing out.

 

[Nicknyte]

On a more serious note, I don't understand how Plank can just view this thread from time to time and not say anything or at least try to comfort the players who lose money.

Also If Plank has the time to view this thread I think he has the time to explain himself more or show some type of document proving that he really did owe the money.

Just my 2 cents

He's finding the right time to speak. Calm down. He's a man, after all.

 

[Tesh]

Plank shouldn't be viewing smashboards. He should be out finding a 2nd and 3rd job so people can get their money.

 

[Malcolm.O]

He's finding the right time to speak. Calm down. He's a man, after all.

If he was a Man he would have spoke up by now and not make some excuse saying how he would not be logging on again, then proceed to log on at random times to view the thread.


Really, Plank messed up big time and players who where going to make money have every single right to be upset.

Plank is a coward, What Plank needs to do is stop looking on Smashboards and start getting to work.

Someone should make a fund, If there is one I'd like a link so i could donate

Also, I some what new to this community and seeing how some people treat each other is sad.

Im not condoning his actions, that was a typo haha.

I'm just pointing how how everyone should get the **** of their high moral horses and realize that in reality, you're (and i) just as scummy as he is. The only difference is it was him and not you.

Its easy to not care about another human being, especially when he's wronged people (not you directly, were you even at pound?), but saying he "should" have done so and so just makes me facepalm.

Reason in the face of anger is all i'm pointing out.

That is not true, don't assume things about other people.

 

[stingers]

there is a fund for armada seeing as how he lost the most money off this tournament. you can find it here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299086

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299180

At the very least, this clears up that he definitely did not just run away with the money. Now we should all calm down and think about how to proceed in a collected manner... I honestly think there's no good way to resolve this situation as far as "getting the money from Plank" goes. The whole "fund to pay for the winners" is a good idea... Damn this whole sitch sucks.

 

[Malcolm.O]

there is a fund for armada seeing as how he lost the most money off this tournament. you can find it here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299086

Thank you,

I have some extra money so I'll be donating around the 50$ range (I know its not much but you know how scarce money is)

 

[Theftz22]

Plank trusted people not to cancel, not show, and cram rooms.

Winners trusted Plank to pay.

Plank gambled on hotel income.

Winners gambled on their ability to win.

Hypocrites.

 

[BigWenz]

Exactly. If you were faced with either being in incredibly massive debt/ over your "moral obligation" or whatever, you would have done the same thing.

i dont think people are tryin to argue that in his position they wouldn have done the same thing.

people are mad because

1) he owes certain people money and people always need to "pay what they owe" - Riley Freeman

2) the situation should never have happened in the first place since Plank is a seasoned TO, and he the mistakes he made really should not have been made by someone with his experience.

3) the fact that after his post he said he wont really be checking the boards anymore cause of the backlash/ he is defriending people on facebook some of whom havent even said anything/ he is avoiding any contact with the smash community is not the way to go bout this. also that is some suspicious behavior.

4) he actually is still checking smashboards even though he said he wouldn so if he went back on his word bout that what else could he be potentially lying(for lack of a better word) about

so all in all people have a right to be mad and by all means keep tryin to get in contact with him, and he does in fact need to man up and say something, but people also need to stop screaming and asking for his head on a spit cause that aint gonna get nothing done either.

 

[Tesh]

Wow what an *******. So the prize money is his to do whatever he wants with? Even when he collects it under the guise of it being for a specific purpose? That ISNT how it works. You guys should sue Plank.

 

[AlphaZealot]

The exact amount is (assuming the results are in full and to be trusted for both Brawl and Melee):
Melee Results
243 Melee Singles Entrants X $15 entry = $3,645
78 Melee Teams Entrants* X $15 entry X 2 players per team = $2,340
Brawl Results
151 Brawl Singles Entrants X $15 entry = $2,265
48 Brawl Teams Entrants X $15 entry X 2 players per team = $1,440
Total Owed to Winners Based on Entry Fee (Non-Venue Fee): $9,690


*Note that the Melee Teams Results show 81 teams, but if you count starting at 65 and moving downward you will see there are only 78 Teams.

 

[Stratford]

Semi-unrelated, but I'm surprised at the lack of OVER 9000 jokes

I am ashamed of myself for not thinking of this.

 

[GHNeko]

real talk

anyone who makes those jokes in this situation is a massive penis muncher.

mad inappropriate.

 

[Nicknyte]

Wow what an *******. So the prize money is his to do whatever he wants with? Even when he collects it under the guise of it being for a specific purpose? That ISNT how it works. You guys should sue Plank.

OMG go lurk some more.


Anyway, I can figure up some court fees from Alpha's Numbers. Gimme a sec while I post them.

Basic fee on estimation: $ 1408.00

http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_gdfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM

County: Arlington
Court type: Warrant for Debt (Civil Claims for money)
Below $500: 24
Above $500: 8

So by that.

9,690
-
1408
=

8282 dollars of pot

Then after splitting some pots down the middle, im sure someone with some percentages can figure out the rest.

 

[luke_atyeo]

guys guys guys, do you even know what country you're from?

you can sue anyone for anything in AMERICA

 

[GHNeko]

^ this post is just...ugh