Ok, who got their money from Pound 5 (Winners)

[luke_atyeo]

I wont deny that

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Wow what an *******. So the prize money is his to do whatever he wants with? Even when he collects it under the guise of it being for a specific purpose? That ISNT how it works. You guys should sue Plank.

...You're a ******, you know that? Seriously, read the thread. This kind of post is not helping.

 

[Blubby]

Lol so many fools like Blubby, pretty sure you weren't at this tourney. twittermonster.

Being nice made me lose alot of respect to alot of people this is why I don't act good anymore, atleast not to people that I don't find important.

Um did anybody call the hotel yet? I have Planks name, just pm me lol

dude, you want to sue him... even if you win, you will lose more money

even planks loses more money

so serious, what for? just to be in right offical? it hasn't something to do with being nice, it's something about being dumb.

 

[Mew2King]

Let me give you a bit about Plank's history with me

In summer of 2008 I believe it was? There was this big huge tournament called Axis, a 300 man Brawl tournament in California with a 3k pot, 2k for first, 600 2nd, and 300 for 3rd. I told a bunch of East Coast people about it because at that time I didn't think I could go, but I wanted an EC person to at least hear about it so they could make some money and I would feel good about helping them out. I am being 100% honest with everything that I am saying here. I told a bunch of people about it, but only Plank was on AIM that would be able to fly there. He originally thanked me for telling him about the tournament. I even tried to set him up to team with DSF so he could make some extra money (teams ended up getting cancelled though).

A few days later, I decide that I really want to go to it because I really wanted to win it. Instead of just doing that on my own, what I did is I told DSF and Plank that I was now going to go. Both of them, especially plank, were basically begging me not to go. Plank was saying that it was unfair that I should go now that he already bought his plane ticket, and for hours talked to me on aim until I finally was like okay okay, you can go alone. But I told him that he would have to promise to not plank the edge, because at that time before a LGL was instantiated it could ruin the game and potentially get MK banned. As someone who played MK with skill and wanted to just fight normally and keep the game alive and proper as it should be, I told him not to plank, and he agreed to it.

But go figure, he was lying. When he had to fight SK92 he beat him by planking the edge (no ledge grab limit) and barely at that. Plank completely lied to me, after I was nice enough to tell him about a large tournament, set up a good teammate for him, and then decide to not go out of niceness even though I really really wanted to, and all at the sake of promising not to plank, he did the exact opposite.

When he came back, I told him he owes me at least something for this, especially since he lied to me about the planking thing. I told him to drive me to tournaments, and if he did that, we would even team at them. So he would take me from south jersey to north jersey and NY and maryland/virginia tournaments, and he would even get to team with me. Not even much of a favor for just myself since it helps him too.

He agreed to this at first, but then later on whenever I ask him for a ride to tournaments, he does not do it. I later found out he was lying the entire time. Either that or he suddenly changed his mind, which is a pretty ****ed up thing to do.

The next year, at Pound4, another incident happens. I have it documented here - http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=53105

Basically, after practicing at lot for pound4, Jman decides to get either drunk or high (I forget which) and he's stuck at the hotel while they are calling teams matches. We try to keep calling Jman and WarriorKnight on their cell phones, but no answer for a while. Eventually we get in to them, and they are coming to the place, but Plank says we don't have much time left. I'm thinking to myself, why is he being so mean like this. The team we had to fight, Doll and Savedge... I can't speak for Savedge but Doll himself wanted to forfeit to me and Jman so he could see us win the tournament. I told Plank this, but he didn't care. I ask to play them by myself, 2 vs 1, and Plank wouldn't allow that either. Jman ends up arriving about 10 minutes late. Plank not only DQs us from the entire set instead of 1 match, but he DQs us from losers bracket as well. His logic was that it would be unfair to everyone in loser's bracket to fight M2K and Jman. I told him, that first off that isn't fair, and second off if they lost so early already, they would get ***** anyhow and it wouldn't matter at all. Plank said I don't care Mew2king and then banned us from the entire tournament for Jman being 10 minutes late when the team that fought us wanted to let us go on but he wouldn't allow it.

Now this next part, I am not 100% sure is true, but I heard this and it might very well be true and I wouldn't be surprised if it was (about the 20 dollar part). WarriorKnight was with Jman, (WK was DJNintendo's teammate), and in the same exact situation as us, but WarriorKnight and DJ nintendo didn't get banned at all. What I heard is that WarriorKnight gave plank 20 dollars and plank didn't ban them at all. I am not sure if that part is true or not, but if it is then that's horrible.

Everything else I said definitely happened though. None of this is a lie, and if he says otherwise then he is lying to you.

 

[Pierce7d]

Again. I do agree that Plank is handling it poorly by vanishing. I've stated that many times. However, a lot of smashers are also handling it poorly.
It shouldn't matter if people had a "longer relationship or not," people need to be patient and a bit understanding.
You are basically saying, "Oh. Well. Since we didn't know him for that long, we don't need to be understanding and handle things rationally." ='/
Heck. I don't even know Plank, but I know how to act in situations like these. Just because it was geared more towards Melee players doesn't mean Brawl players can't be understanding... and I'm a Brawl player myself. Don't get me wrong, I really love Brawl and a lot of people in it.

How are we not in a better position? What I'm saying is... Plank had to lose-- what? $1,000.00 of his own money. So he used that + winnings money to pay off the hotel. That means he's in $-1,000.00. Plus, he has to deal with the Smashers.
Armada came to the tournament assuming he would win if that's the case. If Armada didn't come close to winning he would still be in debt. That's not a safe-assumption. Also, Armada stated himself that he hopes things work out for Plank and I'm sure both Armada and PP would be extremely delighted if Plank stepped back up; however, at least they know when to step down to allow Plank fix himself up first.
What if that $1,000.00 he used to pay for his rent, and now he can't pay for it? What if he has to forgo food for weeks? We all don't know what Plank's going through... it's just you are all acting like he's at home chilling with tons of money, surely he's not. He's definitely suffering really really badly. What I'm saying is, can't you all see that and say "okay, let's just give Plank some time first before taking the next course of action." And I think if Plank sees that he'll want to approach you guys.
And I honestly really do hope that Plank returns to talk with the Winners, and I want what's best for both sides. But I honestly just cannot imagine what Plank is feeling right now.

The reactions of the community are based off the way Plank handled the situation. I would even go so far as to say that outside of flamers who have been penalized, the general reaction is expected and warranted.

Also, Armada only borrowed money AFTER he ALREADY WON. He just wanted to get his plane ticket soon, because all the international players were trying to book together, and wanted to book as quickly as possible, so their flights could be cheaper.

I said this in the other thread, but I'd unfriend people too if they were filling my wall up with hateful messages. Not the best way to go if you're looking for answers

Plank unfriended people who did not speak against him, from the information I've collected. This seems like he's just trying to distance himself from everyone in general, which was very suspicious, before he made this post.

I disagree.

Think of it in Plank's perspective. He has absolutely nothing to gain by defending himself on a public forum. His reputation from this incident is already destroyed beyond repair. If anything, attempting to defend himself would simply give the possible lawsuit against him more evidence.

At most, he only has an obligation to speak to the people that attended Pound, including the winners and try to settle it before it goes to a lawsuit that he more than likely will lose. At the very least though, which is the legal perspective in my opinion, he should probably hire an attorney because 9k in DC is a federal offense called grand theft.

I wouldn't say his reputation is destroyed beyond repair if he's trying to pay back the players. The community has already begun to chip in. There is currently a fund for Armada who suffered the heaviest, and was our guest from Europe. We would help Plank if he just came clean and asked for help.

Also, I agree that he would still be alright if he was talking to only the prize winners in private, but it has also been reported by each of them that he could not be contacted.

If a lawsuit actually goes through. I will honestly leave this community. Screwing over a fellow smasher who worked really hard to put up a absolute great event because of human error is just..terrible and disgusting. And if thats how the community is, then wow.

How is a top player who rightfully earned money and is claiming it screwing anyone over. Keep in mind, you're talking about the same community that has funds for every little thing, like THIS This is a damn good community, and the players have a right to seek their winnings. Plank did put a lot of effort into this, true. But then he messed up and then handled it very, very poorly from there on out.

@Those saying he should have made paying the winners a priority.

He signed a contract with the hotel, a legally binding contract; no doubt with a time constraint on it. If he were to attempt to put off paying the hotel it would end up costing him more more. Financially he made the best decision, paying off the hotel fee's first.

I find it disgusting that first and foremost ya'll want plank to be in debt 9k instead of the winners not profiting from the event. Plan did not have 9k, he would have at the very least had to taken a loan out for 9k to pay off the hotel. Which incurs interest.

I understand that it was His Fault, he shouldn't have put faith in smashers because we've shown time and time again that our community is immature and takes miles when we're given inches, but ya'll are criminalizing him and making him out to be this horrible person when his intentions were good, and not selfish. And the only thing he did wrong was putting faith in the community.

It was the winners RIGHT to profit, as they earned their money. It was Plank's own actions that caused him to go into debt. Do I sympathize with him? Certainly. But just because you made a mistake causing you to go into debt does not mean you STEAL from others who were fortunate enough to profit. Saying that the only thing he did wrong was putting the faith in the community is just blasphemous. He stole the pot, and planned poorly.

Also, while he was legally bound to pay off the hotel, he did it with money that did not belong to him. The reason I think that he should not have paid off the hotel instead of paying the winners, is because the money BELONGED to the winners. It was not his to choose to pay the hotel with, it was merely in his keeping. I don't think that the winners are more important than the hotel and hence deserve to get paid first. However, when I put my money into that tournament entry fee, I was under the impression that it would go to the pot, not into the venue. If I was not under this false guise, I would not have entered the tournament.

 

[Beat!]

Could people please stop saying that Armada borrowed the money before he got 2nd at Pound?

Thanks.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Slightly off topic, but I ran into the "do you allow 2v1 to occur" during MLG this season and my conclusion was to allow it, but do not allow 2 v (1 human + 1 computer).

 

[Composeur]

Whoa, Mew2King. That's some bull**** from Plank right there, all right. Based off of what you and other people have said, I don't trust this guy at all. Now that I think about it, I remember he had us vote on what stages should be allowed at Pound 4, and then I think he disregarded the final vote tally and did what he wanted, anyway.

But only someone who knows him well in person can really say for sure if he's a good guy who made an honest mistake or if he's a genuinely shady character. His behavior thus far is not indicative of actual feelings of remorse...

 

[Laijin]

Whoa, Mew2King. That's some bull**** from Plank right there, all right. Based off of what you and other people have said, I don't trust this guy at all. Now that I think about it, I remember he had us vote on what stages should be allowed at Pound 4, and then I think he disregarded the final vote tally and did what he wanted, anyway.

But only someone who knows him well in person can really say for sure if he's a good guy who made an honest mistake or if he's a genuinely shady character. His behavior thus far is not indicative of actual feelings of remorse...

But if you have noticed.
Everyone who knows him has been defending him..

Coincidence?

 

[AlphaZealot]

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