Ok, who got their money from Pound 5 (Winners)

[Matador]

I don't think he made the right decision realistically. Matador, could you explain why you think his decision was realistic?

In a nutshell...

Debt with Smashers >>> Debt with the Hyatt.

If he'd opted to go into debt with the Hyatt and hoped that the community would lend a hand like -ACE- was suggesting, he would've been royally ****ed and half the community wouldn't give a hoot.

Lemme clarify...he realistically made the right decision...for him.

Edit: It costs money to go to court. Not smasher money. Big-boy money.

 

[hungrybox]

Considering he's been completely honest for 4 Nationals and CEO and got screwed over himself into debt by Manny, the guy who destroyed GAMME, I find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe that he pocketed the money.

Yes, there are wicked people in this world, but Plank is not one of them. Sure, there's the money one can make off of the tournament, but the guy isn't grimy like that. He's never taken money before, and I've been in contact with him on Facebook.

We ran some events together, and he's in a financial slump right now. According to him he lost $1,000 of his own money after giving up all of the prize money as well, because the costs incurred of the Hotel were that big.

He took a risk because he loves the community. The worst part is that the community won't able to forgive him.

I join PP now in saying that there's nothing that can be done, and we should just move on. Plank is still a a friend to me.

 

[Blubby]

i would pay a fund for the players

expect for adhd and ally

because you're just ****ing ****heads, i would pay a planks-lawier-fund before i would pay for idiots like you.

this post is just to show how much i hate money addicted people... its a freaking game

and to add; ITS BRAWL

you suck

sorry for plank

sorry for all the players, expect adhd and ally

 

[Shenanigans]

have you never been to a national? even if they could afford a room comfortably by themselves, people will cram into a room to save money and to room with their friends.

To answer you question, yes I have been to a national. Grant it, it was pound 2 back in 07 before I went into the service. I plan to make it to a national this year, but we'll see how it plays out.

As far as the cramming, of course it will happen. All I'm saying is that it shouldn't or wouldn't have to if people were more prepared financially. Plus the whole. Staying with you friends just takes planning. Even if u didn't room with all of them u guys are in the same place so it shouldn't be a huge deal.

Again just my thoughts on it

 

[SleepyK]

well i agree, but all my other points are very excellent reasons why they won't happen.

 

[Armada]

Aren't M2k Ally doing something? I know Dr pp forgave him , but it's the winner's money. I dunno about Armada.

"Well Plank is a great guy and ofc i trust him but this was really bad news for me =/"

Qoute from the result thread by me.
I forgive Plank even if the descission he took seems to be a really bad one and gave me problem.

Hopefully everything works out good =).

 

[Pierce7d]

Sad truth right there^^^^




Plank said "no payouts at this time"

I'm pretty sure that he is BROKE at the moment from this hotel fiasco.

I know that this will NOT be popular to hear but...would you guys have rather he had payed out all of the money, and then have had his entire life screwed over by the hotel? I mean, I know this isn't easy to think about, but what would you have done in that situation? They surely would have taken legal action to SUE HIS DUMB, IRRESPONSIBLE ***. For whatever reason, he promised X amount of hotel rooms to be bought and payed for by smashers (keep in mind, at a reduced rate. He signed contracts and everything IIRC. If he did not pay off the hotel for the money rightfully owed to them, They would have nailed his *** to the ground, legally, and probably ruined his credit rating/the rest of his financial life.

If you were Plank would you

A) Pay off smashers but have major hotel chain ready to metaphorically shank the S*** out of you

B) Pay off hotel, but not pay off smashers.Be able to work off debt, maybe get in the green, maybe get back to the smash community, get a loan, something or another, and then pay the smashers back in the forseeable future.

Take a harder look at yourself and ask what you would have done.

I also do not want to hear "well I would not have been so irresponsible in the first place!" That is USELESS at the moment, what's done is done.

Now I'm trying NOT to defend Plank too much but as far as "shady tournament dealings" go this is probably the least-shady. Yes he should have been more upfront about the situation in the days/weeks after the tourney. Yes he should have been more transparent about the deal with the hotel, etc. Maybe he should have gotten a cheaper venue, ETC ETC ETC.

But that's all done and gone yo, there is unforutnately nothing anybody can do about Planks mistakes.

But I think Plank can come back from this. He can work off the debt to the smashers... As long as he has some sort of income from which he can save small amounts of money from, He MIGHT be able to pay the smashers back. I would suggest a 1st place, first, With interest, pay out scheme over the next year or so.

It's better than nothing, right?


but yeah guys, Don't trust plank anymore, But don't throw him under the bus because he got himself into a horrible situation. I'm sorry but the guy ran too many great tourneys in the past to be entirely blackballed by the community like the other scumbags (who, do I need to say, deserved it)

Honestly, I would steal the money. I'm not going to pull some holier than thou bull****, and say I wouldn't steal the money.

However, the difference between me and Plank is that I would not put myself in this position in the first place. The chance of catastrophic failure on this level means that the plan was not initially sound.

 

[Today]

Considering he's been completely honest for 4 Nationals and CEO and got screwed over himself into debt by Manny, the guy who destroyed GAMME, I find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe that he pocketed the money.

Yes, there are wicked people in this world, but Plank is not one of them. Sure, there's the money one can make off of the tournament, but the guy isn't grimy like that. He's never taken money before, and I've been in contact with him on Facebook.

We ran some events together, and he's in a financial slump right now. According to him he lost $1,000 of his own money after giving up all of the prize money as well, because the costs incurred of the Hotel were that big.

He took a risk because he loves the community. The worst part is that the community won't able to forgive him.

I join PP now in saying that there's nothing that can be done, and we should just move on. Plank is still a a friend to me.

='/ That's one of the main reasons why I feel so bad for him. He wanted this last event to be amazing for everyone. He did it for the smashers. Yes, he messed up-- but don't handle it like this.
I just hope that the Smashers can be friends and find a middle ground with Plank to come to. Plank is a human being, we all make mistakes. And I'm sure he's feeling ungodly horrible at the moment. From what I can tell he really cares and works hard for you guys, but it just sucks that the people he care for and work hard for are doing/saying these things to him. Personally, I'd feel like super crap.. cape and everything.
And from what I noticed: The Melee players are being understanding and hoping it all works out for both sides.
The Brawl players just get angry and fissy.
Plus, I think if everyone calmed down maybe Plank would come out of hiding. (I do think him going into hiding in the first place was a bad idea.) All in all, everyone should be more civil and calm about the situation. Losing money sucks, but to be honest we are all in a better position than Plank is and I think that's what most people need to understand.

 

[AllyKnight]

Lol so many fools like Blubby, pretty sure you weren't at this tourney. twittermonster.

Being nice made me lose alot of respect to alot of people this is why I don't act good anymore, atleast not to people that I don't find important.

Um did anybody call the hotel yet? I have Planks name, just pm me lol

 

[Pierce7d]

='/ That's one of the main reasons why I feel so bad for him. He wanted this last event to be amazing for everyone. He did it for the smashers. Yes, he messed up-- but don't handle it like this.
I just hope that the Smashers can be friends and find a middle ground with Plank to come to. Plank is a human being, we all make mistakes. And I'm sure he's feeling ungodly horrible at the moment. From what I can tell he really cares and works hard for you guys, but it just sucks that the people he care for and work hard for are doing/saying these things to him. Personally, I'd feel like super crap.. cape and everything.
And from what I noticed: The Melee players are being understanding and hoping it all works out for both sides.
The Brawl players just get angry and fissy.
Plus, I think if everyone calmed down maybe Plank would come out of hiding. (I do think him going into hiding in the first place was a bad idea.) All in all, everyone should be more civil and calm about the situation. Losing money sucks, but to be honest we are all in a better position than Plank is and I think that's what most people need to understand.

Plank is handling it pretty poorly by disappearing. Someone who just takes over 9Gs and then peaces is not very relaxing to me.

Also, if Melee players are more understanding of Plank, it's because they have a longer standing relationship with him, so have more reason to trust him. I have a very minuscule relationship with Plank, so naturally, I'm much less trusting. Pound 1-3 did not involve Brawl, so the fact that we relied on his past history here, just to get screwed over, isn't exactly what I would call building a fruitful relationship. Pound IV was HEAVILY geared towards Melee.

Also, LOL how are we all in a better position than Plank? What a bold assumption. I'm sure Armada would disagree, considering he's in debt right now, and Plank used Armada's money to pay off his own debt.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Lol so many fools like Blubby, pretty sure you weren't at this tourney. twittermonster.

Being nice made me lose alot of respect to alot of people this is why I don't act good anymore, atleast not to people that I don't find important.

Um did anybody call the hotel yet? I have Planks name, just pm me lol

pfft you're a goddamn immature little kid, being nice to people never should make dealing with people any different. I bet you certainly lost a lot of things with all your posts getting worked up about taking plank to small claims court, including your dignity.

yes, it's more than $1000, but at least give him the opportunity to defend himself and come out and say something. If he doesn't say anything more for a while, THEN get mad at him and take him to small claims.

 

[SleepyK]

ok, this thread is currently really dumb.
no new ideas or thought is being produced because the majority of the conclusions require plank to take action or people to take action on plank.

i hope someone reaches plank before someone tries to sue or something.

 

[AllyKnight]

pfft you're a goddamn immature little kid, being nice to people never should make dealing with people any different. I bet you certainly lost a lot of things with all your posts getting worked up about taking plank to small claims court, including your dignity.

yes, it's more than $1000, but at least give him the opportunity to defend himself and come out and say something. If he doesn't say anything more for a while, THEN get mad at him and take him to small claims.

its been 2 weeks dude. how much longer do you need? andd nah I always get hate from melee players. I'm not losing anything. I ain't dumb

 

[Nitrix]

yes, it's more than $1000, but at least give him the opportunity to defend himself and come out and say something. If he doesn't say anything more for a while, THEN get mad at him and take him to small claims.

If Plank wants to defend himself, all he has to do is walk over to a laptop and post on these forums. It doesn't take 2 weeks to do that.

 

[SleepyK]

its been 2 weeks dude. how much longer do you need? andd nah I always get hate from melee players. I'm not losing anything. I ain't dumb

GRR ANGER U PALY DIFFARANT GAME FRUM ME I H8X U

jk how ya doin

 

[Pierce7d]

pfft you're a goddamn immature little kid, being nice to people never should make dealing with people any different. I bet you certainly lost a lot of things with all your posts getting worked up about taking plank to small claims court, including your dignity.

yes, it's more than $1000, but at least give him the opportunity to defend himself and come out and say something. If he doesn't say anything more for a while, THEN get mad at him and take him to small claims.

Uh, Plank has plenty of opportunity to come say something. However, he should have contacted all the winners in private and answered their questions IMMEDIATELY. Him SUPPOSEDLY losing 1k out of pocket is NOTHING compared to Armada's loss (1st in Melee doubles, 2nd in Singles, flew here from EU, borrowed money after being told he was getting paid).

Also, many Smashers who had Plank as a friend on Facebook have noted that he has unfriended them. To me, just looks like he's putting more distance between the Smash Community, and himself. Definitely not making it look like he's trying to fix the problem.

If it was me, you're damn straight I'd be taking Plank to small claims court.

 

[ranmaru]

Plus, I think if everyone calmed down maybe Plank would come out of hiding. (I do think him going into hiding in the first place was a bad idea.) All in all, everyone should be more civil and calm about the situation. Losing money sucks, but to be honest we are all in a better position than Plank is and I think that's what most people need to understand.

That's the thing. That shouldn't stop him from coming online. Basically, these people here are stressing as much as he is, so I think they deserve to know what's up. You know?

 

[Today]

Plank is handling it pretty poorly by disappearing. Someone who just takes over 9Gs and then peaces is not very relaxing to me.

Also, if Melee players are more understanding of Plank, it's because they have a longer standing relationship with him, so have more reason to trust him. I have a very minuscule relationship with Plank, so naturally, I'm much less trusting. Pound 1-3 did not involve Brawl, so the fact that we relied on his past history here, just to get screwed over, isn't exactly what I would call building a fruitful relationship. Pound IV was HEAVILY geared towards Melee.

Also, LOL how are we all in a better position than Plank? What a bold assumption. I'm sure Armada would disagree, considering he's in debt right now, and Plank used Armada's money to pay off his own debt.

Again. I do agree that Plank is handling it poorly by vanishing. I've stated that many times. However, a lot of smashers are also handling it poorly.
It shouldn't matter if people had a "longer relationship or not," people need to be patient and a bit understanding.
You are basically saying, "Oh. Well. Since we didn't know him for that long, we don't need to be understanding and handle things rationally." ='/
Heck. I don't even know Plank, but I know how to act in situations like these. Just because it was geared more towards Melee players doesn't mean Brawl players can't be understanding... and I'm a Brawl player myself. Don't get me wrong, I really love Brawl and a lot of people in it.

How are we not in a better position? What I'm saying is... Plank had to lose-- what? $1,000.00 of his own money. So he used that + winnings money to pay off the hotel. That means he's in $-1,000.00. Plus, he has to deal with the Smashers.
Armada came to the tournament assuming he would win if that's the case. If Armada didn't come close to winning he would still be in debt. That's not a safe-assumption. Also, Armada stated himself that he hopes things work out for Plank and I'm sure both Armada and PP would be extremely delighted if Plank stepped back up; however, at least they know when to step down to allow Plank fix himself up first.
What if that $1,000.00 he used to pay for his rent, and now he can't pay for it? What if he has to forgo food for weeks? We all don't know what Plank's going through... it's just you are all acting like he's at home chilling with tons of money, surely he's not. He's definitely suffering really really badly. What I'm saying is, can't you all see that and say "okay, let's just give Plank some time first before taking the next course of action." And I think if Plank sees that he'll want to approach you guys.
And I honestly really do hope that Plank returns to talk with the Winners, and I want what's best for both sides. But I honestly just cannot imagine what Plank is feeling right now.

 

[Armada]

Today: What are you talking about?

"If Armada didn't come close to winning he would still be in debt"
If I would have been placeing bad i would not join the road trip before Genesis.

Okay you have right (but could impossible know this) i would still be in debt but not even close if I compare with my debts now.

 

[Pikaville]

Armada you seem like a legit guy.

You are taking this very well.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out......

My heart goes out to Plank and the winners for this sticky situation.

 

[Laijin]

Also, many Smashers who had Plank as a friend on Facebook have noted that he has unfriended them. To me, just looks like he's putting more distance between the Smash Community, and himself. Definitely not making it look like he's trying to fix the problem.

I said this in the other thread, but I'd unfriend people too if they were filling my wall up with hateful messages. Not the best way to go if you're looking for answers

 

[DeLux]

Plank is handling it pretty poorly by disappearing. Someone who just takes over 9Gs and then peaces is not very relaxing to me.

I disagree.

Think of it in Plank's perspective. He has absolutely nothing to gain by defending himself on a public forum. His reputation from this incident is already destroyed beyond repair. If anything, attempting to defend himself would simply give the possible lawsuit against him more evidence.

At most, he only has an obligation to speak to the people that attended Pound, including the winners and try to settle it before it goes to a lawsuit that he more than likely will lose. At the very least though, which is the legal perspective in my opinion, he should probably hire an attorney because 9k in DC is a federal offense called grand theft.

 

[DJRome]

of course he's handling it well pragmatically. we're saying morally

 

[Laijin]

I disagree.

Think of it in Plank's perspective. He has absolutely nothing to gain by defending himself on a public forum. His reputation from this incident is already destroyed beyond repair. If anything, attempting to defend himself would simply give the possible lawsuit against him more evidence.

At most, he only has an obligation to speak to the people that attended Pound, including the winners and try to settle it before it goes to a lawsuit that he more than likely will lose. At the very least though, which is the legal perspective in my opinion, he should probably hire an attorney because 9k in DC is a federal offense called grand theft.

If a lawsuit actually goes through. I will honestly leave this community. Screwing over a fellow smasher who worked really hard to put up a absolute great event because of human error is just..terrible and disgusting. And if thats how the community is, then wow.

 

[DeLux]

In all honesty, if they really wanted to "screw him over", they would just bump the case to a federal prosecutor at some level.

Suing is just asking for just compensation.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

I'll pray about all this, but it's really in God's hands now. Yall should pray too; it really works D:

 

[DJRome]

honestly, im fine letting someone who defends a thief leave.

we don't know it's purely human error. you defending as such leads me to believe that you know something we don't.

and we are a community, but we are also people with lives that require MONEY. you are so satisfied letting plank steal money that you would rather we forgive him than actually seek to get people their money back. again, how much is he paying you?

 

[Albert.]

From the discussion between Pierce and myself:

I also do not want to hear "well I would not have been so irresponsible in the first place!" That is USELESS at the moment, what's done is done.

However, the difference between me and Plank is that I would not put myself in this position in the first place. The chance of catastrophic failure on this level means that the plan was not initially sound.

Thank you for being as predictable as I predicted.

 

[AllyKnight]

Laijin is just one smart kid.

 

[DJRome]

clearly. . . he's getting paid way more than the winners

 

[Laijin]

Laijin is just one smart kid.

lol I can say the same for you.

 

[Albert.]

pfft you're a goddamn immature little kid, being nice to people never should make dealing with people any different. I bet you certainly lost a lot of things with all your posts getting worked up about taking plank to small claims court, including your dignity.

The only people that actually think it's worth it to call somebody a "goddamn immature little kid" are... "goddamn immature little kids"

Like seriously, what's your age?

 

[Laijin]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[Alex Strife]

So wish there was a way to resolve this. Hopefully this will be resolved soon

 

[t3h Icy]

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[AllyKnight]

^ LOL hahahhaa

 

[Wenbobular]

I said this in the other thread, but I'd unfriend people too if they were filling my wall up with hateful messages. Not the best way to go if you're looking for answers

He unfriended me too :\ I haven't said anything

 

[phish-it]

When I read the news in the results thread I almost didn't believe it. The winners are hurt, the community is hurt, Plank himself is hurt. It's just a **** sandwich anyway you look at it, and those immediately venting their anger is more than expected, but claiming to sue Plank won't have any positive outcome either.

Also, is it coincidence the top placing Brawl players and top placing Melee players are reacting to this completely different?

 

[Yung Mei]

Also, is it coincidence the top placing Brawl players and top placing Melee players are reacting to this completely different?

i dont think it is

 

[Laijin]

When I read the news in the results thread I almost didn't believe it. The winners are hurt, the community is hurt, Plank himself is hurt. It's just a **** sandwich anyway you look at it, and those immediately venting their anger is more than expected, but claiming to sue Plank won't have any positive outcome either.

Also, is it coincidence the top placing Brawl players and top placing Melee players are reacting to this completely different?

Nope.
Brawl is full of little kids.
Melee players are older, thus more mature.

Totally understandable.