Official SWF Tier List v8

[Spelt]

I was sexually assaulted by a paragraph once, and now every time I see one I have a panic attack.

Stop triggering me, you inconsiderate assholes.

 

[thrillagorilla]

Stop typing paragraphs people. Ain't nobody got time for that ****.

I had time for it. Heck, if you hadn't written that response you probably could have had time to read it too.

 

[Delta-cod]

But guys, we gotta be cool by ignoring productive posts.

 

[Vinylic.]

But the more people who ignores it, the more productive posts other people can make for other people who are interested in contributing. So you have to make a post telling people not to post something productive in order to avoid productive posts, and then start something until someone makes a inb4lock post.

 

[SunJerry]

Introduction​

Below you will find the 2013 tier list for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Unlike last time, this iteration is once again based on votes only. This wasn’t entirely by choice, as we were faced with the unfortunate reality that monetary data is no longer updated and matchup chart v3 will probably require at least another month before completion. Not all is the same as the tier lists of old however, as this time around we opted to ask the community for their opinion. Major thanks to Kewkky for overseeing this:

Official BBR's Community Tier List Voting

The above list was added to the 29 BBR votes and counted 5 times, meaning it ended up as roughly 1/7 of the total vote. In the Excel file below you will find the ordered list of characters with their point total, the standard deviations and highest and lowest ranking, in addition to the gaps between characters. Note that for each character the highest and lowest placing were not counted to somewhat correct for outlier votes.

Excel file with final results: http://www.2shared.com/file/6hr0fu9a/Tier_List_Statistics.html

This resulted in the following tier list:


SWF Tier List v8

Top Tier

SS:
(±0)

S:
(+2)

A+:
(-1) (-1)

A-:

(+2) (-1)

(-1)


High Tier

B:
(±0) (+1) (-1)


Upper Mid Tier

C+:
(±0) (±0) (±0)

C:
(±0) (+1)(-1) (+1)

C-:
(+1) (-2)


Mid Tier

D:
(±0) (+2) (±0) (+1) (-3) (±0)

(+1) (-1)


Lower Mid Tier

E:

(+1) (-1) (±0)


Low Tier

F:

(±0) (±0) (±0) (±0) (+1) (-1)

(±0) (±0)



Condensed version:
SS: Meta Knight
S: Ice Climbers
A+: Olimar, Diddy Kong
A-: Marth, Snake, Falco
B: Pikachu, Zero Suit Samus, Wario
C+: Lucario, King Dedede, Toon Link
C: Wolf, Fox, Mr. Game & Watch, Pit
C-: R.O.B., Peach
D: Kirby, Donkey Kong, Sonic, Ike, Sheilda, Sheik, Ness, Yoshi
E: Luigi, Pokémon Trainer, Lucas
F: Mario, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon, Link, Jigglypuff, Zelda, Ganondorf



The rules we applied were the following:
-No single character tiers past top tier.
-For the top tier (S-A), tier gaps were placed wherever character gaps exceeded 1.
-For high and upper mid tiers (B-C), tier gaps were placed wherever character gaps exceeded 1.25.
-For mid tier and below (D-F), tier gaps were placed wherever character gaps exceeded 1.5.
-Sheilda was fixed in place directly above Sheik, as the benefits to the combination make that entity marginally better.
The gradual increase in character gaps was implemented under the assumption that we can be less specific about character potential as we move to the lower parts of the list. Those characters are typically represented significantly less at a high competitive level than their higher tiered brethren.

With Zero Suit Samus moving up, we found it was time to re-evaluate our tier labels and started high tier past the top 7, whereas before it started after Wario. We did this based on how people discussed the characters as well as where those who included tier labels in their vote put them. It was a somewhat tough call to make as the intuitive gap between Falco and Pikachu for many people is less pronounced than that between Wario and Lucario. However, the alternative would be to have a whopping ten characters considered top tier and have high tier reach even further, which seems like a stretch considering how few characters have solo success at the highest level. The ten characters currently considered top and high tier have an impact on the metagame and can be expected to place well in capable hands, a quality that quickly diminishes after.

Finally, the tier list allows for more freedom for mid and low tier tournaments, as for the first you could opt to also include at least the C- tier, whereas for the latter you could opt to include the lower mid tier.



Previous BBR Tier Lists
v1 (September 1, 2008)
v2 (January 1, 2009)
v3 (June 5, 2009)
v4 (February 26, 2010)
v5 (September 25, 2010)
v6 (July 4, 2011)
v7 (April 28th, 2012)

Eh

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Eh

This is the greatest first post anyone has ever made imo.

 

[xDD-Master]

This is the greatest first post anyone has ever made imo.

Eh

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Eh

That's not your first post nor did you quote a giant post before posting that.

0/10 would not read again.

 

[Spelt]

E

h

 

[Sunnysunny]

Eh

Eh

 

[Desu~]

I... guess im joining in...

...Eh

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I have a question

why isn't there a "potential tier"

We can put Marth, Peach, Ness, Wolf, and Wario there

It'll be a great time

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why Wolf?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Why Wolf?

Because Wolf is hidden top tier, and is way better than that ****** Fox

Duh

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What? xD

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

What? xD

It is only a matter of time before wolf ascends to take his rightful throne

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

way better than that ****** Fox

Duh

That describes every character in the game. Why is Wolf so special?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nobody underrates or overrates Wolf anymore. Pretty much everybody has accepted that his spot on the tier list is accurate. He's not a character like Marth who gets unwarranted credit for his "potential".

 

[-LzR-]

If there was a potential tierlist we would only have 1 character there, Marth.
Marth is the only character who can be placed higher in the tierlist than he actually is because he could be better.

 

[Shaya]

What is Marth's potential again?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

"All matchups except MK are even or in Marth's favor. All he has to do is consistently space perfectly and always make the correct decision in every situation. If it weren't for MK, Marth would easily be S-Tier and top 3 in the game!"

 

[1PokeMastr]

What is Metaknight's potential again ?

 

[Shaya]

Correction: "if it weren't for dangley legs, Marth would easily be S..."

Everything is winnable. MK is EZ, we kill him from a grab, probably our advantage. **** everyone else that can kill us from a grab, -1 for every single one of them.

Except ICs.
For obvious reasons.

Still 5th in the game.

What is Metaknight's potential again ?

 

[NH Cody]

shaya is right in a way lol

 

[ぱみゅ]

That MK has potential to be beautiful?

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

That MK has potential to be beautiful?

What else would he be right about?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

 

[xDD-Master]

Old but gold :D

 

[NH Cody]

no he was being sarcastic about overrating marth...I think...

 

[Steam]

Never change, Marth mains.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Because Wolf is hidden top tier, and is way better than that ****** Fox

Duh

's fine where he is. Top of mid tier suits him perfectly. He could move down or up 1 or 2 spots, but only if other characters seemingly get worse in people's eyes or he starts to lack performances in tournaments. The only "active" s are me and Ish, but we do fine. Kain and I will be at Phoenix Saga 6 on Dec 7th so he'll likely have good placings there unless we play each other early and then get bracket ****ed. has results at both regional and local levels. The only place he lacks good performances is at nationals, but most mid tier and low tier characters do not hold a candle at nationals either. The only mid tier I've ever seen break top 10 at a national was Ocean.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Shaky and mekos say hello with good national results.

 

[BlueXenon]

The only mid tier I've ever seen break top 10 at a national was Ocean.

Sktar 1:

1. Nairo $630
2. Esam $308
3. Vinnie $168
4. Anti $114
5. Ally $58
5. Trela $58
7. Tyrant $35
7. Rich Brown $35
9: Mew2King
9: Mr. R
9: DEHF
9: Mekos

Whobo 4:
1: Esam==/
2: Ally==////
3: Gnes==/
4: Atomsk==/
5: Ryo==
5: Will==
7: Shaky==
7: NickRiddle==
9: Kain==
9: Reflex==
9: Ultimate Razer==
9: Seibrik==/

Whobo 5:
1: Apex| XFire| Vinnie /
2: Denti
3: MJG
4: RichBrown
5: Delux
5: Gnes
7: BloodCross /
7: Illmatic
9: Z
9: Seagull
9: 8BitMan
9: Ryo

Sktar 2:
1: ST ADHD
2: MVD
3: Denti
4: LoF Nakat
5: CT ZeRo
5: Zinoto
7: ESAM
7: CT Tyrant
9: SwR Nairo
9: Ally
9: LoF Pwii
9: CFST | Will

 

[infiniteV115]

9th isn't top 10, it's top 12.
Though in your defense top 10 doesn't exist in standard double elimination brackets lol.

Lucario being called 'mid tier' is iffy. Depends on whether you think the current 'upper mid tier' deserves to be considered mid tier or not.
WHOBO 4 and 5 were MK-banned, which is a different metagame entirely and thus you shouldn't be using the same tier list terminology (ie "mid tier") in such results. Granted, DK Ike and Ness are all probably still mid tier in the WHOBO ruleset metagame, but I doubt Seagull was referring to MK banned results in his statement anyway.

It wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to MK banned results AND for him to consider 9th "top 10" AND for him to still consider Wolf mid-tier in an MK-banned metagame because he himself got 9th at an MK-banned national with Wolf lol, and so he'd be completely contradicting himself. Give him the benefit of the doubt

I normally wouldn't and I don't imagine he thought about any of this but you can't make those assumptions when trying to refute an argument

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Give him the benefit of the doubt

I normally wouldn't and I don't imagine he thought about any of this but you can't make those assumptions when trying to refute an argument

You have not understood the ways of the internet.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Anti secondaries DK?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

's fine where he is. Top of mid tier suits him perfectly. He could move down or up 1 or 2 spots, but only if other characters seemingly get worse in people's eyes or he starts to lack performances in tournaments. The only "active" s are me and Ish, but we do fine. Kain and I will be at Phoenix Saga 6 on Dec 7th so he'll likely have good placings there unless we play each other early and then get bracket ****ed. has results at both regional and local levels. The only place he lacks good performances is at nationals, but most mid tier and low tier characters do not hold a candle at nationals either. The only mid tier I've ever seen break top 10 at a national was Ocean.

Fool. Soon you will understand the power of bair and not being grabbed.

 

[Gardex]

Anti secondaries DK?

Anti secondaries the entire cast

 

[Z'zgashi]

DK is underrated.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Fool. Soon you will understand the power of bair and not being grabbed.

It's pretty easy to not get grabbed as unless you use , jump into someone's shield, or have godlike tunnel vision. If I get grabbed as then I messed up my spacing on a move that practically lends itself to not getting grabbed. 's bair is probably the best back air for a multitude of reasons.

9th isn't top 10, it's top 12.
Though in your defense top 10 doesn't exist in standard double elimination brackets lol.

Lucario being called 'mid tier' is iffy. Depends on whether you think the current 'upper mid tier' deserves to be considered mid tier or not.
WHOBO 4 and 5 were MK-banned, which is a different metagame entirely and thus you shouldn't be using the same tier list terminology (ie "mid tier") in such results. Granted, DK Ike and Ness are all probably still mid tier in the WHOBO ruleset metagame, but I doubt Seagull was referring to MK banned results in his statement anyway.

It wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to MK banned results AND for him to consider 9th "top 10" AND for him to still consider Wolf mid-tier in an MK-banned metagame because he himself got 9th at an MK-banned national with Wolf lol, and so he'd be completely contradicting himself. Give him the benefit of the doubt

I normally wouldn't and I don't imagine he thought about any of this but you can't make those assumptions when trying to refute an argument

Pretty much^.

I wouldn't consider banned nationals in my list because that would throw things off completely. BlueXenon got me for Will's and Mekos's 9th places. is NOT mid tier. Maybe I should have just said top 8 since 9th place is split 4 ways loool.