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[Espy Rose]

Espy: Of course, you just have to wait till the Bowser fsmashes. Makes sense.

A very, very lost soul.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Was I supposed to be paying attention to how you waited outside his range for him to mess up?

Because he could have walked forward.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I'll reword the post Aero quoted because it seems like he didn't read/understand it.
It doesn't matter which aerial you use for vertical momentum cancelling (unless you're playing G&W/DK/Yoshi) except for the stall-then-fall dairs (which are bad).
This is because, for vertical momentum cancelling, your only goal is to fastfall as soon as possible (again, unless you're playing G&W/DK/Yoshi). So, to say that Snake's dair is his 'best' aerial for vertical momentum cancelling is incorrect.
Taking advantage of dual-stick mechanics allows you to produce a frame-perfect fastfall after the aerial. This can be done with any aerial (again, with the exception of the stall-then-fall aerials)

V, hitting down on the c-stick gives you the same thing as holding down and dairing therefore making it just as optimal for non-stalling dairs.





Bubba, they are bad because they don't fastfall, ands they don't stall fast enough.

Riddle's post has just made me confused again.

I currently momentum cancel fine with dair vertically, so I'll probably just keep doing that.

Also the last 5 pages of this thread has melted my brain.

 

[Espy Rose]

Was I supposed to be paying attention to how you waited outside his range for him to mess up?

Because he could have walked forward.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_pol495.jpg

You need this more than anyone in this thread.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

An American linking someone to a map of the world?

I feel like some joke could be made out of that.

 

[Espy Rose]

Somebody's awful hostile tonight.
Settle down kiddo.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That's not hostility, it's a joke. Kinda hard to discern over the net, I guess.

Why did you link me to a map of the world?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Because we live in Australia. :>

 

[bubbaking]

Espy: Of course, you just have to wait till the Bowser fsmashes. Makes sense.

You totally missed the point of what Espy was pointing out. At 2:41, after Espy had already dthrow punished the fsmash, Espy took a step forward, just a step. In complete anticipation of some committal action, Zigsta whiffed a jab and tried to immediately ftilt (the VERY thing that you said Bowser should do to make a whiffed jab safe). Espy simply grab armored the ftilt. This is directly contrary to what you have been saying about Bowser just 'reacting' to Sonic with jab and being safe and points out exactly what we've been saying. Sonic can elicit reactions just by walking at you because you're in so much anticipation of a dash.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I can't really be blamed for looking at the wrong part of the video on my phone, but k, I'll watch again.



Yeah, he should've done jab 2.

 

[Espy Rose]

You're still not getting it.

 

[da K.I.D.]

he linked the map of the world because as he said and as you continue to prove, you are a lost little soul.





also, real names on swf is weird. why cant you just call me Goggles like everyone else lol.

 

[pidgezero_one]

also, real names on swf is weird.

never thought about it much but i kinda agree

 

[Cassius.]

I type it as it comes to my head and for some reason that pops up before KID or Goggles does lol but you are right it is a bit strange. My b

 

[infiniteV115]

Stef and Kyle sitting in a tree
d - a - K - dot - I - dot - D

 

[da K.I.D.]

that was stupid, hilarious and inaccurate all at the same time.

theres a dot after the D too.

id make fun of your name back.. if I knew how to pronounce it.... =P

 

[infiniteV115]

It rhymes with fishballs
One of my friends calls me fishballs XD

 

[Tesh]

@ grim you can easily cover bowser by just retreating an ASC charge. if he does pretty much anything but shield, you can just release and hit him or spinshot/spring if his option is an actual threat (fair).

 

[pidgezero_one]

It rhymes with fishballs
One of my friends calls me fishballs XD

"fishballs" is going to be the first thing i say to you on friday

 

[infiniteV115]

I'm not sure if I'm gonna be there on Friday. I've been having chest pains.
I fear it may be gallstones

 

[pidgezero_one]

I'm not sure if I'm gonna be there on Friday. I've been having chest pains.
I fear it may be gallstones

I started reading this post and was ready to get MAD AS HECK cause im leaving for PS5 right after the fest but wow that sucks dude I hope you're ok

 

[Luco]

Oh wow sorry V115. Get better soon buddy.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

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get better V! Sorry to hear that.

 

[blacktwins13]

get better v
also im curious as to what the number hammers on g&w does
9=godlike
8=freeze
7=food
6=fire?
5=electric?
4=?
3=?
2=?
1=self harm damage

 

[Alphicans]

4 just hits them, 3 hits with a fan sound that sends your opponent kind of behind you, and you can grab out of it. 2 trips the opponent if they're grounded, other wise it does a little damage and is basically unsafe on hit.

 

[Gardex]

If you're feeling lucky, you could always try to get a 2-hammer to cause a forced getup... if the situation deems it possible B)

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I think Hammer is underrated as a punish.

 

[Gardex]

Always having that 1/8th or 1/7th chance of taking a stock is a nifty thing, indeed.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

And several of the hits directly link into the punish you would've got anyway if you hadn't used it.

 

[Alphicans]

Judgement is great, but it has low range and a long start up, so you can't really punish with it, but only land a read with it :/.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I don't know if punish is the correct word.

I was basically just describing how sometimes when I would run in with a SH nair, I will SH judgement instead. Whatever you would call that situation.

 

[Alphicans]

A shot in the dark?

 

[Tesh]

i wouldnt be surprised if all of the weaker ones jab lock

 

[da K.I.D.]

Grim, that would be called a mix up

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Don't you condescend me little man

 

[da K.I.D.]

You asked a question. I gave an answer, thats all.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Judgement is great, but it has low range and a long start up, so you can't really punish with it, but only land a read with it :/.

Trap option out of low percent UpB chase when your jump is gone.

I've played Falco vs. G&W with out local G&W main since the game came out. Pop Falco into the air, double jump aerial, UpB to chase, read air dodge, money shot. You don't have another jump and you can easily be too close to the ground to get a fair. If you don't like your odds with a nair landing trap, Judge gets to come out to play.

Saw the situation arise in tournament when our G&W was playing Kismet and I just got this terrible chill run up my spine where I knew exactly what he was going to through and that itch turned true and Kismet lost a stock at 30. That moment was so hype.

But yeah, I mention a situational move on a character with properties that support getting pummeled on a good read. I've only ever seen solid set-ups for Judge on spacies and D3, so I'm no expert.

 

[Alphicans]

Yeah, if you can call with your opponent, they'll usually air dodge so judgement is fairly reliable there.

 

[blacktwins13]

Judgement is great, but it has low range and a long start up, so you can't really punish with it, but only land a read with it :/.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIscdbAlcxI#t=3m11s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkPRFd49iRg#t=3m03s

 

[hell-dew]

Falco got screwed there ^ lmao