[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Aipom]

Here are my ideas..... NOTE: My list will be shortened at the end to the Top 50 characters

Mario Series- Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario
Legend of Zelda- Link, Zelda and Sheik, Ganondorf, Tingle, Minda & Wolf Link, Skull Kid
Pokemon- Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Meowth, Deoxys, Munchlax, Wobbuffet, MAGIKARP
Star Fox- Fox, Wolf, Krystal, Falco, Slippy, Peppy
Kirby- Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede
Metroid- Samus, Ridley, Dark Samus
Fire Emblem- Marth, Ike, Michiah, Black Knight, Roy
F-Zero- Captain Falcon, Samurai Goroh
Earthbound- Ness, Claus, Lucas, Poo, Paula, Jeff, Kumatora
Wario- Wario, Waluigi, Mona, Ashley, Kat&Ana, Jimmy T., Captain Maple Syrup
Donkey Kong Series- Donkey Kong, Diddy, Dixie, King K. Rool
Yoshi Series- Yoshi, Kamek, Baby Mario&Baby Luigi
Pikmin- Captain Olimar, Louie, Boss
Third Party- Solid Snake, Sonic, Megaman, Bomberman
Aminal Crossing- Villager, Resetti, K.K. Slider, Tom Nook
Retro- Ice Climbers, ROB, Mr. Game & Watch, Pit, Excitebike, Mach Rider, Balloon Fighter
Japan Only- Sukapon, Takamaru, Demille, Jill
Other- Isaac, Dr. Lobe, Dr. Kawashima, Andy (Advanced Wars), Mii
__________________________________________________________________________
Green - already in
Blue - more likely newcomer
Red - less likely newcomer

My Top 50 are as followed....
1. Mario - obvious
2. Luigi - obvious
3. Peach - obvious
4. Bowser - obvious
5. Petey Piranha - has potential for a very unique moveset, adds to amount of villains
6. Bowser Jr. - tough choice, adds to amount of villains
7. Link - obvious
8. Zelda/Shiek - obvious
9. Ganondorf - obvious
10. Tingle - I'm not very familar with this series, could be disputed
11. Minda & Wolf Link - apparently had pretty big fan base, another 2-in-1 character
12. Pikachu - obvious
13. Pokemon Trainer - I think they'll keep him with the same Pokemon
14. Meowth - tough choice, could be disputed
15. Lucario - has a 50/50 chance
16. Deoxys - could easily be wrong, could be form changable
17. Fox - obvious
18. Wolf - pretty sure they'll keep him
19. Krystal - adds to amount of females, different moveset than the other Star Fox people
20. Kirby - obvious
21. Meta Knight - very popular
22. King Dedede - very popular
23. Samus/ Zerio Suit Samus - obvious for Samus, 50/50 for ZSS
24. Ridley - VERY POPULAR, fans would freak if he wasn't playable, adds to villains
25. Marth - pretty obvious
26. Ike - pretty sure he'll return
27. Michiah - adds to female characters, not a sword-using person
28. Captain Falcon - obvious
29. Samurai Gorah - F-Zero NEEDS another playable character, also has a sword
30. Ness - pretty obvious
31. Lucas - pretty sure he'll return
32. Claus - adds to the amount of villains, could possibly glide
33. Wario - very sure he'll return
34. Waluigi - I know he hasn't appeared in any Wario games yet, but hopefully he will by then
35. Mona - could be disputed, adds to female characters, could have a unique moveset
36. Donkey Kong - obvious
37. Diddy Kong - pretty sure he'll return
38. King K. Rool - adds to the amount of villains, could have a unique moveset
39. Yoshi - pretty obvious
40. Captain Olimar - pretty sure he'll return
41. Solid Snake - pretty sure he'll return
42. Sonic - pretty sure he'll return
43. Resetti - could be disputed, probably will be one Animal Crossing rep
44. Pit - very popular
45. Mr. Game & Watch - pretty sure he'll return
46. Ice Climbers - pretty sure they'll return
47. ROB - he'll probably return
48. Sukapon - could be disputed, unique moveset, retro
49. Takamaru - apparently pretty popular, retro, swordsman, never really heard of him
50. Isaac - very popular, gives Golden Sun a rep
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Removed:
Falco - for Krystal, getting rid of a clone
Jigglypuff - I'm a huge Pokemon fan and even I want them to get rid of Jigglypuff
Toon Link - getting rid of a clone


EDIT: Added Kumatora and Captain Syrup for KumaOso under the large list, not Top 50.

 

[Epsiloh]

i wanna see animal crossing character something like maybe just a simple player that uses all the tools like the shovel as their B attack and HEAPS of costume changes personally i think that would be cool. i think more villins are needed like ridley but it would be hard to do dark samus considering it would be basically samus that doesen't turn into zerosuit when she uses her final smash or something like that. also the ultimate character they need to make is the L block from tetris haha would be the best joke character ever

I would be interested in seeing a new stage Where your litterally in a tetris game the blocks fall knocking you and working up your damage and the blocks disapear when they line up

 

[TWILTHERO]

Here are my ideas..... NOTE: My list will be shortened at the end to the Top 50 characters

Mario Series- Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario
Legend of Zelda- Link, Zelda and Sheik, Ganondorf, Tingle, Minda & Wolf Link, Skull Kid
Pokemon- Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Meowth, Deoxys, Munchlax, Wobbuffet, MAGIKARP
Star Fox- Fox, Wolf, Krystal, Falco, Slippy, Peppy
Kirby- Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede
Metroid- Samus, Ridley, Dark Samus
Fire Emblem- Marth, Ike, Michiah, Black Knight, Roy
F-Zero- Captain Falcon, Samurai Goroh
Earthbound- Ness, Claus, Lucas, Poo, Paula, Jeff
Wario- Wario, Waluigi, Mona, Ashley, Kat&Ana, Jimmy T.
Donkey Kong Series- Donkey Kong, Diddy, Dixie, King K. Rool
Yoshi Series- Yoshi, Kamek, Baby Mario&Baby Luigi
Pikmin- Captain Olimar, Louie, Boss
Third Party- Solid Snake, Sonic, Megaman, Bomberman
Aminal Crossing- Villager, Resetti, K.K. Slider, Tom Nook
Retro- Ice Climbers, ROB, Mr. Game & Watch, Pit, Excitebike, Mach Rider, Balloon Fighter
Japan Only- Sukapon, Takamaru, Demille, Jill
Other- Isaac, Dr. Lobe, Dr. Kawashima, Andy (Advanced Wars), Mii
__________________________________________________________________________
Green - already in
Blue - more likely newcomer
Red - less likely newcomer

My Top 50 are as followed....
1. Mario - obvious
2. Luigi - obvious
3. Peach - obvious
4. Bowser - obvious
5. Petey Piranha - has potential for a very unique moveset, adds to amount of villains
6. Bowser Jr. - tough choice, adds to amount of villains
7. Link - obvious
8. Zelda/Shiek - obvious
9. Ganondorf - obvious
10. Tingle - I'm not very familar with this series, could be disputed
11. Minda & Wolf Link - apparently had pretty big fan base, another 2-in-1 character
12. Pikachu - obvious
13. Pokemon Trainer - I think they'll keep him with the same Pokemon
14. Meowth - tough choice, could be disputed
15. Lucario - has a 50/50 chance
16. Deoxys - could easily be wrong, could be form changable
17. Fox - obvious
18. Wolf - pretty sure they'll keep him
19. Krystal - adds to amount of females, different moveset than the other Star Fox people
20. Kirby - obvious
21. Meta Knight - very popular
22. King Dedede - very popular
23. Samus/ Zerio Suit Samus - obvious for Samus, 50/50 for ZSS
24. Ridley - VERY POPULAR, fans would freak if he wasn't playable, adds to villains
25. Marth - pretty obvious
26. Ike - pretty sure he'll return
27. Michiah - adds to female characters, not a sword-using person
28. Captain Falcon - obvious
29. Samurai Gorah - F-Zero NEEDS another playable character, also has a sword
30. Ness - pretty obvious
31. Lucas - pretty sure he'll return
32. Claus - adds to the amount of villains, could possibly glide
33. Wario - very sure he'll return
34. Waluigi - I know he hasn't appeared in any Wario games yet, but hopefully he will by then
35. Mona - could be disputed, adds to female characters, could have a unique moveset
36. Donkey Kong - obvious
37. Diddy Kong - pretty sure he'll return
38. King K. Rool - adds to the amount of villains, could have a unique moveset
39. Yoshi - pretty obvious
40. Captain Olimar - pretty sure he'll return
41. Solid Snake - pretty sure he'll return
42. Sonic - pretty sure he'll return
43. Resetti - could be disputed, probably will be one Animal Crossing rep
44. Pit - very popular
45. Mr. Game & Watch - pretty sure he'll return
46. Ice Climbers - pretty sure they'll return
47. ROB - he'll probably return
48. Sukapon - could be disputed, unique moveset, retro
49. Takamaru - apparently pretty popular, retro, swordsman, never really heard of him
50. Isaac - very popular, gives Golden Sun a rep
__________________________________________________________________________

Removed:
Falco - for Krystal, getting rid of a clone
Jigglypuff - I'm a huge Pokemon fan and even I want them to get rid of Jigglypuff
Toon Link - getting rid of a clone

Thats the only problem with it. Falco is more popular than Krystal. While i agree with the female addition and the clone problem, Falco has already been in 2 Smash games. Why all of a sudden take him out in Smash 4?

 

[antimatter]

And why include Petey Piranha?

 

[System Failure 333]

we need more villains, that's why lol!! and he was playable in Mario strikers... I think all those players should b in brawl (bowser jr., waluigi, petey piranha... they even have those animations in there that could be used for final smashes in case they don't have ideas, like waluigi's whip)

 

[Aipom]

Thats the only problem with it. Falco is more popular than Krystal. While i agree with the female addition and the clone problem, Falco has already been in 2 Smash games. Why all of a sudden take him out in Smash 4?

Well, I heard that Ness was almost removed for Lucas and he was in 2 before that. They almost did the same thing to him in Melee. I also said to get rid of Jigglypuff, whose been in all three. Besides, Krystal was one of the most requested characters in the game.

And why include Petey Piranha?

Because he's awesome!

But really, he's a big, powerful villain. They could easily give him a unique moveset. They already have a starting 3-D Wii model of him. So they basically just need to make models for his moves and several animations.

 

[Knyaguy]

I hereby speak up. Rival Trainer would use starter pokemon, similar to those of the current Trainer, making him/her fit better as his opposite.
Giovanni's Pokemon (Rhydon, Dugtrio, Kangaskhan, Nidoqueen and Nidoking) would also be much harder to implement and balance than the starters from any generation, as Dugtrio cannot jump and moves by digging, and the others also are all too slow, heavy and strong, with few attacks that could be used for a recovery move.
The Rival, on the other hand, can have 3 starter Pokemon in various evolutionary stages of varying weights and strengths, making for a more balanced team than Giovani's 3 heavy powerhouses.

Ok, I see where your comming from. Giovanni should probably be a Boss the Adventure mode. What pokemon should this rival have? If the current trainer is Red than whynot have the Blue. IMO, He should have Blastoise, Bulbasaur and Charmeleon.

 

[Big-Cat]

For that list, do you think you could add Kumatora to the borderline category for MOTHER/Earthbound characters?

Kiki, that idea regarding Paula's up B is genius. Would you really call it PK Freeze though?

 

[Aipom]

For that list, do you think you could add Kumatora to the borderline category for MOTHER/Earthbound characters?

Kiki, that idea regarding Paula's up B is genius. Would you really call it PK Freeze though?

Don't know if you were talking to me or someone else, but I added her.

 

[Big-Cat]

Don't know if you were talking to me or someone else, but I added her.

Thank you for putting her on it. However, I was asking TKD+ITA+Mar= to add her. Although, I thank you nonetheless. The roster needs a tomboy or two.

I just realized that I forgot to ask for another character, Captain Maple Syrup to be added to the Wario borderline. So if both of you could, please.

 

[Aipom]

Thank you for putting her on it. However, I was asking TKD+ITA+Mar= to add her. Although, I thank you nonetheless. The roster needs a tomboy or two.

I just realized that I forgot to ask for another character, Captain Maple Syrup to be added to the Wario borderline. So if both of you could, please.

There, it's been taken care of.

 

[Big-Cat]

There, it's been taken care of.

Thanks again.

 

[Spire]

No one should be removed from Smash Bros at this point. The closest thing to a clone that we have is Toon Link, and even he plays very, very differently than Link. Falco is not a clone of Fox; if you've ever really played both of them, you would know that they are very different. Same goes for Mario and Luigi, Lucas and Ness, and Ganondorf and Captain Falcon. There are no clones in Brawl.

Mario =/= Luigi
Link =/= Toon Link
Fox =/= Falco
Ness =/= Lucas
C. Falcon =/= Ganondorf

While their moves may be similar, they play very, very differently. Each character sports incredibly different physics and statistics, including weight, reach, jump, and strength. Falco plays very differently from Fox, and while they both possess similar specials, not only do they function differently, but require almost entirely separate tactics, and that's in conjunction with their attack moves and smashes. They were clones in Melee, but in Brawl, they are disparate.

 

[gantrain05]

no no no, never remove anyone that has been in since smash 64, thats just begging to piss off so many people you will never hear the end of it. and btw i don't know if u know this, but jiggs has a HUGE fanbase, and there are alot of people who main jiggs exclusively, and how bout, instead of getting rid of characters because they are clones, lets just give them a new moveset? yeah sounds good to me.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

All right, so we all agree that Rival Pokemon Trainer should be in over Boss Giovanni? I am going to add alternate costumes for this one, but I am unsure if Rival Pokemon Trainer should be an alternate costume or not.

Another thing I am considering looking into, is whether or not I should move Demiru/Demille
and Muddy Mole to in, considering they did very well in the Japan polls.

It ends up Sukapon is a first party character, so I am going to change that. (Well according to Wikipedia.)
Mario

- In:
Mario
Luigi (Alt Mr. L)
Bowser (Alt. (Dry Bowser)
Peach (Alt. Daisy)

- Borderline:
Bowser Jr.
Toad

- Out:
Waluigi

Donkey Kong
- In:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong (Alt Dixie Kong)
King K. Rool

- Out:
Kranky Kong

Yoshi
- In:
Yoshi (Alt. Birdo)

- Borderline:
Baby Mario Bros.
Kamek

Wario Ware
- In:
Wario

- Borderline:
Mona
Captain Maple Syrup


Legend of Zelda
- In:
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf

- Borderline:
Toon Link
Vaati
Midna

Metroid
- In:
Samus
Ridley

- Borderline:
Dark Samus
Sylux

Retro
- In:
Pit
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game and Watch

- Borderline:
R.O.B.
Takamaru
Little Mac

Kirby
- In:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

- Borderline:
Knuckle Joe
Gooey
Adeleine

Pikmin
- In:
Captain Olimar

- Borderline:
Louie
Louie and "Boss" team
Captain Olimar (Alt. Louie and Boss)

Star Fox
- In:
Fox (Alt. James)

- Borderline:
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

- Out:
Leon

Fzero
- In:
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh

Pokemon
- In:
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer
Rival Pokemon Trainer

- Borderline:
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Pokemon Trainer (Alt. Rival Pokemon Trainer)

- Out:
Deoxy
Boss Giovanni

Fire Emblem
- In:
Marth

- Borderline:
Ike
-- Black Knight
-- Michiah (sp?)
Roy
New Fire Emblem Protagonist
New Fire Emblem Antagonist
Marth (Alt. Roy)

- Out:
Ike
-- Soren

Mother
- In:
Ness

- Borderline:
Lucas
Claus
Paula Polestar
Kumatora

Golden Sun
In:
Isaac

Borderline:
Ivan

Custom Robo
In: Custom Robo

Panel De Pon
In:
Lip

Tomato Adventure
Borderline
Demiru/Demille

Mole Mania
- Borderline:
Muddy Mole

Joy Mech Fight
Borderline:
Sukapon

3rd Party Characters
- In:
Snake
Sonic
Megaman
Geno

- Borderline:
Bomberman
Tails
Knuckles
Sukapon

 

[gantrain05]

what? geno is in but megaman is borderline? no way, switch that and then maybe.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Nope, both are in on my list. (I assumed you were talking to me)

 

[Kiki52]

@KumaOso thanks for the comment.
I think that my Paula moveset would have the neutral B be PK Fire and it acts sorta like Samus' charged shot where Paula can charge it or shoot it immediately. If Paula shoots immediately, it shoots a 2 to 3 short ranged fire balls that move faster than Mario's but doesn't do too much damage. If she charges it, she can hold it forever like Samus or Lucario can then when she releases it, it lets out this very fast fire ball that would look like that guy in Mortal Combat who shoots out the fire ball very fast and does 28 damage and good knockback. An offset for the speed of the fire ball would be that Samus and Lucario's ball of energy should still do more damage and more knockback than they do now so Paula's PK Fire doesn't make theirs too weak in comparison.

>B could be PK Freeze where Paula does something similar to Lucas, but I think it should shoot 2 PK Freezes instead of one. One 'big' PK Freeze and one 'small' PK freeze, the big one you control like Lucas' except it should go faster because in matches I barely hit anyone with Lucas' PK Freeze and it's thus an underused move. The small one randomly follows the big PK freeze and explodes anywhere from the left, right, or on top of the big PK Freeze causing a much random but higher rate of accuracy but the small one does less damage though. It can confuse the player and make it harder to dodge because the small PK freeze can potentially throw the other guy off.

My idea for Paula's upB though would combine PK Fire and PK freeze to produce her ice surfboard that is on fire.

Also, if Paula has a fully charged PK Fire ready and she then uses >B PK Freeze, it does a totally different move which does a very short range fire/ice combination explosion directly in front of her causing massive damage and knockback. Greater than PK Fire or PK freeze, but is short range and would have some pre/afterlag to punish her for any whiffed shot.

If Kumatora were to get in, she could use this type of stuff as well. I'd think Kumatora would be more like a power character who punches people very hard and is heavier and slower than Ness or Lucas I think. She'd probably also be less apt in the air than both of them. If people do not like being whacked with teddy bears (despite how awesome that is), then Kumatora would provide a nice tomboy non-girly experience.

I also would like it if Miis were introduced in the list. I cannot believe I forgot about them!
Other characters that people have suggested before were:

-Mii
-Alexandra Roivas
-Pious Augustus

Alexandra uses magic and a roman gladius sword.
Pious Augustus is evil and his face is a skull (he is a Liche) and undead. He uses magic and has a staff made of bone and could probably use the roman gladius as well.
I don't know if Alexandra and Pious could both be in together because both might use the Roman Gladius, but if so then take the Gladius away from Pious and give it to Alexandra.

Both Alexandra and Pious were in the game "Eternal Darkness" although I do not know if their 2nd party company who has since departed Nintendo will allow it. I don't know who owns the rights to Eternal Darkness now, but at that time it was property of Nintendo I think.

I also think Jigglypuff would never be cut because she is apart of the original 12. Even though Sakurai could have at one pointed wanted to cut Ness, it wouldn't make sense to do so now since Ness got in all 3 smash games and so did Jigglypuff. I'd think now the original 12 are uncuttable no matter what. I like Jigglypuff because she is very good in the air, the only one who should be good in the air better than her is Ridley himself.

 

[RARE King]

How do you think Funky Kong would work as a Smash character?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I was able to work on an Assist Trophy list for Smash 4. All characters below are Assist Trophies.

----------------------
Attacking

Birdo
Hammer Bro
Lakitu
Magikoopa
Klobber
Kuff 'n' Klout
Funky Kong
Darknut
Metroid
Knuckle Joe
Bugzzy
SNES Andross
Samurai Goroh
Jeff
Pig Mask Army
Lyn
Excitebike
Stafy
Isaac
Elite Beat Agents
Little Mac
Stanley
----------------------
Other

Cranky Kong
Mr. Resetti
Helirin
Nintendog
Balloon Fighter
Tingle
----------------------
3rd Party

Gray Fox
Shadow
White Mage
Chocobo
----------------------

 

[SkylerOcon]

How do you think Funky Kong would work as a Smash character? an alt costume for DK

Perfectly, why?

 

[Neon Ness]

It seems like Nintendo has begun a pattern of including a very retro character. (i.e. G&W, R.O.B.) I'm hoping Balloon Fighter will be in SSB4.

Other random peoples I hope are included:

Daisy, Animal Crossing Townie, Leon Powalski, Tails, Kumatora, Porky, Geno, Phoenix Wright, Jirachi, Sora, and... uh...

Shigeru Miyamoto? His Final Smash could be an endless flow of CA$H MONEEEZ.

 

[Raging-Banebou]

I think there should be a "Create-A-Character" mode in the game. You can choose Hair, eyes, voice, etc...heck, even Final Smashes!

 

[Neon Ness]

How could you be able to choose Final Smashes? Without making them too cheap?

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

Yeah I will definitely add the Mii, also we might want to add some Animal Crossing characters. I have been thinking about changing one of the Fzero characters to the borderline list, what do you guys think? Also it appears that Eternal Darkness was Published by Nintendo, but developed by someone else, so I'll keep them in third party just in case (If anyone wants me to move these to in, just ask and tell why.) I will also add Simon Belmont to the list, and move Jigglypuff up to "In."

Mario

- In:
Mario
Luigi (Alt Mr. L)
Bowser (Alt. Dry Bowser)
Peach (Alt. Daisy)

- Borderline:
Bowser Jr.
Toad

- Out:
Waluigi

Donkey Kong
- In:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong (Alt Dixie Kong)
King K. Rool

- Out:
Kranky Kong

Yoshi
- In:
Yoshi (Alt. Birdo)

- Borderline:
Baby Mario Bros.
Kamek

Wario Ware
- In:
Wario

- Borderline:
Mona
Captain Maple Syrup


Legend of Zelda
- In:
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf

- Borderline:
Toon Link
Vaati
Midna

Metroid
- In:
Samus
Ridley

- Borderline:
Dark Samus
Sylux

Retro
- In:
Pit
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game and Watch

- Borderline:
R.O.B.
Takamaru
Little Mac

Kirby
- In:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

- Borderline:
Knuckle Joe
Gooey
Adeleine

Pikmin
- In:
Captain Olimar

- Borderline:
Louie
Louie and "Boss" team
Captain Olimar (Alt. Louie and Boss)

Star Fox
- In:
Fox (Alt. James)

- Borderline:
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

- Out:
Leon

Fzero
- In:
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow
Samurai Goroh

Pokemon
- In:
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer
Rival Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff

- Borderline:
Lucario
Pokemon Trainer (Alt. Rival Pokemon Trainer)

- Out:
Deoxy
Boss Giovanni

Fire Emblem
- In:
Marth

- Borderline:
Ike
-- Black Knight
-- Michiah (sp?)
Roy
New Fire Emblem Protagonist
New Fire Emblem Antagonist
Marth (Alt. Roy)

- Out:
Ike
-- Soren

Mother
- In:
Ness

- Borderline:
Lucas
Claus
Paula Polestar
Kumatora

Golden Sun
In:
Isaac

Borderline:
Ivan

Custom Robo
In: Custom Robo

Panel De Pon
In:
Lip

Tomato Adventure
Borderline
Demiru/Demille

Mole Mania
- Borderline:
Muddy Mole

Joy Mech Fight
Borderline:
Sukapon

Wii
In: Mii

3rd Party Characters
- In:
Snake
Sonic
Megaman
Geno
Simon Belmont

- Borderline:
Bomberman
Tails
Knuckles
Sukapon
Alexandra Roivas
Pious Augustus

 

[Raging-Banebou]

How could you be able to choose Final Smashes? Without making them too cheap?

Hmmm...you could adjust the damage! :D

 

[RARE King]

Perfectly, why?

Sorry, but I already made THAT thread.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181463

 

[Illusive]

Replace the random square with ditto. Give the character it becomes funny eyes and a slightly heavier weight. Also, you can play through classic/all star as ditto, being a different character every match, and you get a ditto trophy.

 

[ginobeeto]

CHARACTERS I WANT

Animal Crossing - There's been 4 or 5 AC games and with the new Wii Animal Crossing I think it's time we get a character. The best choice would be Smashviller. This has potential because it could use bug net and axe for attacks, the fishing rod for a ranged grab, and it could have a swarm of bees chase him as a Final Smash.

Bowser Jr. - or Koopa Kid or Baby Bowser. There have been many games that have had a child Bowser in it, like Galaxy and Mario Sunshine. Baby Bowser's attacks could use claws and fireballs, and he has several options for a final smash. He could turn into Shadow Mario for a short while and be able to paint goo and just be overall stronger, or it could also be him in one of his machines that were boss battles in Galaxy.

Boo - possibly King Boo, but I don't like the hat. Boos have definately been in enough games, and could also have a cool moveset. I've heard that Boo can't be in ssb because he is an enemy and not a specific character. Well Yoshi is not a specific character either. There are hundreds of Yoshis. Just google "yoshi group".

Metroid Hunter - I think that one of the other 5 hunters from Metroid should appear as a playable character in the next ssb. I think that this would take priority over Ridley, because he's already two bosses, and hunters haven't appeared besides as trophies. The six hunters are Samus, Kanden, Spire, Trace, Noxus, Sylux, and Weavel. Any of the five would work, but Sylux seems to be the most reasonable choice.

MegaMan - If there is any new third party character, it better be him. He is so retro and popular and his style would fit in with ssb perfectly. I'm sure Nintendo would be able to give him a moveset that differs from Samus and he could be a unique character.

New Pokemon Trainer - The two main possibilities are Rival Trainer and Team Rocket. Rival Trainer could have either Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon, or three starting pokemon. I do not want Rival Trainer to have any of the original three starters. Pokemon Trainer already has them and anymore would be a clone. Rival Trainer having Bulbasaur/Blastoise/Charmeleon, wouldn't work. How different can Bulbasaur be from Ivysaur. People were even calling Ivysaur Bulbasaur on SmashBoards. For starting pokemon, I think maybe one type and one stage from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations. A possibility could be Piplup/Quilava/Sceptile. For Team Rocket, the three pokemon could be Meowth/Arbok/Weezing. I heard earlier that these pokemon aren't well known enough. I find this extremely hard to believe. Any pokemon from the original 150 is probably more well known that Lucario, and definately some of the other characters. Many people never heard of ROB, Game n Watch, Ice Climbers, Pit, or Dedede until they played Brawl.

Kat and Ana - Like the Ice Climbers, two people would be one character. I really would like to see them from WarioWare just because they're so cool. They'd have shurikens and I would main them in an instant. The only thing that I'm unsure of is when one of them dies. With the Ice Climbers, only Popo has to be alive in order to fight, but I'm not sure how Nintendo would handle Kat and Ana because they are of equal importance.

CHARACTERS I'M NEUTRAL WITH

- Waluigi
- Kamek
- K. Rool
- Vaati
- Midna and Wolf
- Toon Zelda/Tetra (only if Toon Link isn't cut)
- Petey Pirahna
- Deoxys
- Isaac
- Claus
- Kumatora
- Bomberman
- Knuckles
- Geno
- Mii
- Lucario (why did they replace Mewtwo for him anyway)

CHARACTERS I'M AGAINST

Daisy/Rosalina - alternative costume for Peach definately.

Toad - It's just that there are so many more interesting characters than Toad. He'd have such a boring moveset. The only attack I can picture him doing is a headbutt.

Louie - Olimar with variations in stats and animations, there are better choices.

Ridley - We've already seen him in Brawl as two bosses, so I would much rather see a more interesting hunter than this dragon.

Old Characters (except for Mewtwo) - I am undecided about Mewtwo and Lucario, but Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Roy are out for good. Roy is the only one that makes sense, but he's outdated and I'm sure more people would rather see an axe or spear user from a newer game.

 

[MarthTrinity]

Sorry to say this but the Hunters take no priority over Ridley, Ridley has appeared in almost every Metroid game and is massively popular, much moreso than the Hunters who only appeared in the mediocre Metroid Prime Hunters.

 

[Epsiloh]

i would agree that ridley is already a boss but remember this is the next smash brothers game ridley could still become a character and to not the other hunters weren't involved in enough games in order for them to become characters.

 

[British Geezer]

He also floats in Ocarina of Time, his debut game.

There'll be no Final Fantasy (7+), anime or Halo characters in the game, because none of those characters have appeared on a Nintendo console, anime characters originate in anime, rather than video games, and there is no way that Microsoft will relinquish Master Chief, the main character of their (undeservedly) most successful game series, to their main competitor.

Then please explain why Sony would surrender the star of the game they have rested all their hopes for the PS3 on to SSB.

 

[ducky285]

Then please explain why Sony would surrender the star of the game they have rested all their hopes for the PS3 on to SSB.

Hey, why would Sony let Metal Gear Solid go to the Gamecube. Answer: they didn't because KONAMI did.

Sony didn't surrender Snake. Konami did at the request of Hideo Kojima. MGS4 is PS3 exclusive because Kojima and Konami wished it so. Sony has no say in what a third-party developer/publisher like Konami can and can not do with their trademarked characters so this statement is completely off-base.

Of course, I am wondering if Master Chief is owned by the now independent Bungie or Microsoft.

 

[half_silver28]

Sorry to say this but the Hunters take no priority over Ridley, Ridley has appeared in almost every Metroid game and is massively popular, much moreso than the Hunters who only appeared in the mediocre Metroid Prime Hunters.

i would agree that ridley is already a boss but remember this is the next smash brothers game ridley could still become a character and to not the other hunters weren't involved in enough games in order for them to become characters.

I think that brawl (& even melee) has already established that popularity means nothing in ssb. Really, who wanted the ice climbers, pichu, dr. mario, rob, mr g&w, pit or even olimar or lucario(pretty much any 1st gen pokemon is more popular than him).

You also have to think that it would be much harder to make ridley a playable character than to do the same to any hunter. Yes ridley is far more popular, but the roster all comes down to sakurai or whoever makes the next game (brawl has done well, so sakurai will probably be back). If sakurai makes ssb4 then its almost certain he'll put in a couple chars that no one except him wanted.

~ rant over lol

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hey, why would Sony let Metal Gear Solid go to the Gamecube. Answer: they didn't because KONAMI did.

Sony didn't surrender Snake. Konami did at the request of Hideo Kojima. MGS4 is PS3 exclusive because Kojima and Konami wished it so. Sony has no say in what a third-party developer/publisher like Konami can and can not do with their trademarked characters so this statement is completely off-base.

Of course, I am wondering if Master Chief is owned by the now independent Bungie or Microsoft.

you hit the nail on the head with that one, though we can all dream (and hope) that Master Cheif could be in someday

 

[TWILTHERO]

I want Metepod in the next one. If there has to be a new first generation pokemon newcomer, it would be Metapod.

Speed: 1/5
Size: 2.5/5
Weight: 2/5
Power: 2/5
Jump: 2/5
Recovery: 4/5

ENTRANCE
A Caterpie crawls onto the stage, who then wraps itself in silk, evolving into Metapod.

MOVEMENT
Also, when Metapod moves about the stage, it appears to glide over the ground.

TAUNTS
Up: Metapod "smiles" and jumps twice.
Side: Looks to either side once.
Down: Becomes "shiny" (http://www.clan-sbbs.com/images/smiles/MetapodShinySprite.gif) for a short time, then turns back.

STANDARD MOVES
A: Headbutts high.
A,A: Headbutts low.
A, A, A: Headbutts in rapid succession (imagine Kirby's punches)
Running + A: Appears to stumble, performing a somersault.

AERIALS
Neutral A: Turns on its side and spins horizontally.
Forward A: Headbutts vertically, can meteor.
Up A: Performs a backflip.
Down A: Dives to the ground headfirst, bringing him all the way down.
Back A: Jabs behind him with his bottom point.

TILTS
Utilt: Performs a short hop.
Dtilt: Spins while standing straight as a pole.
Ftilt: Jumps forwards then comes back, striking enemies with his body.

SMASHES
Forward: Falls straight forward, body slamming enemies with his body.
Up: Jumps up and performs a backflip.
Down: Lies down on its side, flat on the ground, and spins.

GRABS
Grab: Grabs enemies with a thread of silk. Can be used as a tether recovery.
Grab + A: Headbutts the opponent.
Side Throw: Strikes enemies with his bottom point, tossing them forward.
Up Throw: Tosses them up, then jumps, striking them with his top point.
Down Throw: Tosses them down, then jumps ontop of them.
Back Throw: Backward somersaults three times then releases the opponent.

<Standard Special Move: Struggle>
Metapod squirms uncomfortably for a short time, then performs a powerful spin. The spin deals low knockback and can reflect projectiles, but the timing is rather difficult.

<Side Special Move: Tackle>
Metapod tosses his body forwards, which spins like a boomerang. His body travels forward for a medium-range distance, then returns to his original position. Causes medium knockback.

<Up Special Move: String Shot>
Metapod shoots a thread of silk from his top point which acts as a long range tether recovery. Being hit by the silk causes flinching.

<Down Special Move: Harden>
Metapod takes on a metallic appearance and shines, then returns to normal. Every time you use this attack, Metapod's defense and weight increases, but his speed decreases. If used too often, Metapod will practically become immobile.

<Final Smash: Life Cycle>
Metapod falls on its side, then a tear opens up on his body. The tear glows white, and Metapod's body splits in two, and Butterfree emerges. Butterfree flutters around the stage, unleashing a flurry of spores across the stage. The spores can cause different effects. Their controls may be reversed, they may fall asleep, or they may be stunned/put to sleep for a time. Butterfree then disappears, and an egg appears on stage. It hatches and a Caterpie comes out, and like the entrance, evolves into Metapod. Metapod is then free to finish off the spore-effected opponents.

 

[RARE King]

Who thinks Mewtwo should come back? (But a lot better, of course)

 

[AbsoluteZero255]

I want Metepod in the next one. If there has to be a new first generation pokemon newcomer, it would be Metapod.

http://pokelibrary.com/images/pokemon/metapod.jpg[IMG]


Speed: 1/5
Size: 2.5/5
Weight: 2/5
Power: 2/5
Jump: 2/5
Recovery: 4/5

ENTRANCE
A Caterpie crawls onto the stage, who then wraps itself in silk, evolving into Metapod.

MOVEMENT
Also, when Metapod moves about the stage, it appears to glide over the ground.

TAUNTS
Up: Metapod "smiles" and jumps twice.
Side: Looks to either side once.
Down: Becomes "shiny" ([url]http://www.clan-sbbs.com/images/smiles/MetapodShinySprite.gif[/url]) for a short time, then turns back.

STANDARD MOVES
A: Headbutts high.
A,A: Headbutts low.
A, A, A: Headbutts in rapid succession (imagine Kirby's punches)
Running + A: Appears to stumble, performing a somersault.

AERIALS
Neutral A: Turns on its side and spins horizontally.
Forward A: Headbutts vertically, can meteor.
Up A: Performs a backflip.
Down A: Dives to the ground headfirst, bringing him all the way down.
Back A: Jabs behind him with his bottom point.

TILTS
Utilt: Performs a short hop.
Dtilt: Spins while standing straight as a pole.
Ftilt: Jumps forwards then comes back, striking enemies with his body.

SMASHES
Forward: Falls straight forward, body slamming enemies with his body.
Up: Jumps up and performs a backflip.
Down: Lies down on its side, flat on the ground, and spins.

GRABS
Grab: Grabs enemies with a thread of silk. Can be used as a tether recovery.
Grab + A: Headbutts the opponent.
Side Throw: Strikes enemies with his bottom point, tossing them forward.
Up Throw: Tosses them up, then jumps, striking them with his top point.
Down Throw: Tosses them down, then jumps ontop of them.
Back Throw: Backward somersaults three times then releases the opponent.

<Standard Special Move: Struggle>
Metapod squirms uncomfortably for a short time, then performs a powerful spin. The spin deals low knockback and can reflect projectiles, but the timing is rather difficult.

<Side Special Move: Tackle>
Metapod tosses his body forwards, which spins like a boomerang. His body travels forward for a medium-range distance, then returns to his original position. Causes medium knockback.

<Up Special Move: String Shot>
Metapod shoots a thread of silk from his top point which acts as a long range tether recovery. Being hit by the silk causes flinching.

<Down Special Move: Harden>
Metapod takes on a metallic appearance and shines, then returns to normal. Every time you use this attack, Metapod's defense and weight increases, but his speed decreases. If used too often, Metapod will practically become immobile.

<Final Smash: Life Cycle>
Metapod falls on its side, then a tear opens up on his body. The tear glows white, and Metapod's body splits in two, and Butterfree emerges. Butterfree flutters around the stage, unleashing a flurry of spores across the stage. The spores can cause different effects. Their controls may be reversed, they may fall asleep, or they may be stunned/put to sleep for a time. Butterfree then disappears, and an egg appears on stage. It hatches and a Caterpie comes out, and like the entrance, evolves into Metapod. Metapod is then free to finish off the spore-effected opponents.[/QUOTE]

Great moveset, but really, post this in Make your move 2.0: make a brawl character (don't have link, sorry.)

ON TOPIC:

Who thinks that falcon will be at least not bottom tier in ssb4?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Who thinks Mewtwo should come back? (But a lot better, of course)

at first I was hoping he would make it in Brawl, but seeing Brawl the way it turned out, it really doesn't matter much but still Mewtwo should definetly make a comeback with him getting at least a new move instead od confusion whick I really didn't like, as well as bit buffed up with more weight (Armoreed Mewtwo alt.) other than that he's a good character who definetly deserves a spot back on a smash roster

Who thinks that falcon will be at least not bottom tier in ssb4?

sh....t I hope he's at least mid tier, because c'mon he's Captain Falcon for crying out loud, he's suppose to be good

 

[TWILTHERO]

sh....t I hope he's at least mid tier, because c'mon he's Captain Falcon for crying out loud, he's suppose to be good

Captain Falcon was nerfed in Brawl, so wusses wouldn't use him