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Is this saying every character gets a stage or every stage gets a characteter (ie does every stage need to be affiliated with every character?)
I don't know exactly how big Brawl is, but it is a dual layered game. However, the second layer is only there for the FMVs.
1. Okay, a stage builder topping LittleBigPlanet is nothing more than a pipe dream, but a few dozen more blocks, and the ability to map your own textures and backdrops onto the stage seem pretty necessary to me. Nobody likes generic stages, but with a splash of paint, a custom background, and music outside of the MyMusic collection, that generic heap of blocks can actually start to bear a vague resemblance to Bowser's Castle. Just something as simple as colouring of the blocks and JPEG backgrounds (low quality as they may be) goes a long way.
Where's Wizzerd? I think he'll be happy to see this.
Two words: Metal Harbor.
To quote Gamenerd...
I don't know if you read the entire post or not, but if you didn't know, GHZ=Green Hill Zone.
Like I said before, a better customization system is a must, I don't think it will be on the scale that you think it should or could be, as this is Nintendo we're talking about. Thinking about it, the closest thing you're going to get to custom music is if they add in some Mario Paint like thing. Still as I said, I do support a better custom stage system, though I just don't have very high expectations for it.
Even if there was custom music, there would be some new music, there's no denying that, but there certainly wouldn't be as much effort as there was in Brawl's soundtrack. If you include the opinion for people to just import whatever they want into it, why bother with all the extra music options? I personally have never seen much of a point for a custom soundtrack, seeing as I can just lower the background music and play what I'd want, so I'd much rather have something like Brawl where we get lots of new remixes of old game tunes.
You mean past Nintendo characters, and locations right? Excluding the two third party characters, everything was technically Nintendo, and if you want to get into the specifics that all the Subspace Army stuff was made up for the game, there's all the stuff that was made for Melee's adventure mode, though I admit that was much less. The point though is that even if you count the new creations as a point off for SSE in comparison to Adventure mode, it still doesn't change the fact that all around Adventure mode was worse with the lack of being able to save, duller levels, and the fact that if you wanted to get all the trophies, you'd have to play through it 25 times.
Music also takes up a lot of space. :V
Animal Crossing was/is very popular, so it made sense to give them something, and while you may think that the people who play Smash don't play AC, there's still a lot of debate going around as to who would be the best character who could be playable, which means a good deal of people have played it.
But Would anyone actually prefer a new SSE over more characters and stages? Unless they find a much better way to tell the story (and one that makes sense at that) then i think I and most smash players would agree that they would prefer the former (characters and stages)
But when you think about it the game creators will most likely not look here to see what characters are bad or good. So seeing which ones get nerfed is always something to look to for each new SSB, but then again there are some charcaters like Jiggs and Falcon that were nerfed to the extream and I am sure they will buffed.
Buff the obvious ones; nerf the obvious ones. There's really not all to say here that a thousand other people haven't said already.
Lolwut? Smash does not need to represent itself over the many deserving series without a rep, like Animal Crossing and Paper Mario. It would seem quite unwieldy and wrong, and Master Hand would be the natural choice should Sakurai perform the fallacy of having Smash represent itself. Besides, moveset potential is a terrible argument. We have a character like Toon Link as the closest thing to a clone in Brawl, who has things like the Deku Leaf and Bombchus which he never uses, and Ganondorf has the moveset of a completely unrelated character. As long as a character can bring in a non-cloned moveset (which every worthwhile character is capable of doing) their uniqueness is a non-issue. I suppose the Ice Climbers and Olimar are the most deserving characters, because they have the most unique movesets. And the chances of Tabuu becoming a new franchise has a grand total of zero likelihood. How many antagonists have been given their own series? Bowser and Ganondorf, the most iconic Nintendo villians, haven't, and they are far more significant and unique then a random antagonist from one game who only showed up a the very end like Tabuu.Jimnymebob said:
Tabuu? Playable? Well, maybe some people would enjoy seeing it, but... my standpoint on the matter is that Smash was intended for you to play as characters from OTHER Nintendo universes (and, since Brawl, other universes in gaming as well), so a character that originated in Smash being playable just doesn't sit well with me.
Why shouldn't Smash represent itself, it is a perfectly viable Nintendo franchise, and Smash is all about bringing together different series?
Wario. He was the Main antagonist of Mario Land 2, and was so popular they turned the Mario land series into Wario Land. then they gave him ANOTHER series with Warioware.
Because Smash is that series. Smash was made with the intention of taking the most popular and significant of Nintendo's game series. Smash isn't meant to represent itself and it never has been. Clearly people think so, why don't Master Hand or Tabuu get any support?Jimnymebob said:
You didn't use the word, but you argued about why he could have a very unique moveset. Indeed you did. Any character can function in the Smash series, from large characters like Ridley to peaceful characters like Tom Nook to characters with low potential like Diskun. Smash already breaks boundaries by crossing over, who cares if they break more? Moveset potential is a moot point. Sorry if I acted antagonistic, but this is the Internet. I'm questioning your idea, not you.
I never denied that Tabuu is a Nintendo character. What I'm denying is his significance. Tabuu was a not very well recieved, not very prominent antagonist with no backstory. Nintendo might expand on his significance, but why would they? There's so much more to gain with a more unique character. Besides, did Master Hand getting into Kirby make him viable?
Tabuu would take time and programming to make which could be used to form the moveset of a deserving character. There are very many random Nintendo characters like Tabuu, but there are enough viable ones that Tabuu would be a wasted slot. Why not put in Marx, or Dimentio, or Zant? All three of them were more popular and significant then Tabuu, but they don't deserve it. No, we shouldn't get characters for the sake of getting characters, we should get characters for deserving it.
True, but that took a while, and it was because Wario was so popular. Tabuu is not popular at all.lordvaati said:
Well, the thing is, in most fighting games, the final boss is a regular character, just with the difficulty seemingly turned up quite a few notches for the duration of the fight. In Smash, the main Boss of Melee/64 was a hand. That does not fit in with the other characters in the game. Arguably, Giga Bowser was the Boss of Melee, who was just a larger, more menacing version of Bowser, a character already in the game. Now he's in Brawl, as said character's Final Smash. Tabuu is like a border between the two: he isn't exactly too far out to be playable, but he isn't immediately considered a playable candidate either. Tabuu's "essence of difficulty" comes from his moves themselves, not the difficulty level of the game. Most bosses that can be unlocked as characters have normal attacks that are just faster or stronger for the battle.This is not true for Tabuu, as he his attacks can cover the entire field, and can also be a OHKO under ANY circumstances. Yes, you can nerf him by shortening the range of his attacks, lowering the power, and slowing them down, but then he would not be Tabuu; he would be a nerfed clone of him, much like Young Link was in SSBM. As an ending argument, he only has a few moves in the game, while unlockable bosses all have full movesets. There have been very few unlockable characters who randomly gained moves that they didn't know when you fought them upon joining the playable roster of a game.
I agree 100% on everything above me stated.
