[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[S.R. XXVII]

I wanna see Ridley, Ike's return, Better graphics, better online, and for it to play more like Melee.
Sakurai should NOT develop it. Language selection should be available. And I want custom soundtracks.
AND VOICE CHAT!!!!!! DURING BATTLE!!!!!!


Oh..... And Sakurai should NOT develop the game.

 

[Kirbykrew]

Melee and Brawl are synonyms, and according to thesaurus.com...

Melee synonyms: affray, battle, brawl, clash, commotion, dogfight, donnybrook, fight, fracas, fray, riot, row, ruckus, scuffle, skirmish

Brawl synonyms: affray, broil, donnybrook, fray, free-for-all, melee, riot, row, ruction, tumult

Super Smash Brothers: Scuffle, Clash, or Riot would be my vote. One of those three and I'll be happy.

YOU CANNOT DENY THE POSSIBILITY OF" SUPER SMASH BROS: DONNYBROOK"!

Also, let's see what the roster would be, if each gets 4 next game.
"/" indicates an OR

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach

Link
Zelda
Ganon (Decloned)
Toon (Decloned)

DK
Diddy
K Rool
Dixie (Not a clone)

Yoshi
Bowser Jr.
Baby Mario+Baby Luigi
Kamek

Wario
Capt. Syrup
Mona/Ashley
Jimmy T.

Samus
Zero Suit
Ridley
Dark Samus, if they can make her not a clone.

Ice Climbers
Pit
R.O.B.
Game and Watch

Kirby
Meta Knight
Dedede
Dark Matter/Ribbon/Animal Friend/Daroach (I give up here)

Olimar
Louie
Hocotate Space Freight President
Pikmin

Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Capt. Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Pico

Marth
Ike
Micaiah
Hector

Ness
Lucas
Ninten
Flint

Pikachu
Jiggs
Trainer
Mewtwo/Lucario/Plusle &Minun

Snake
Sonic
Megaman/Phoenix Wright (Hey, I'd like it...)
Bomberman

That's considering there aren't any new franchises Joining the fray, aside 3rd parties. In case some do,

Animal Crosser/Tom Nook
Lip

There you go, my Roster if every franchise gets about 4 characters.

 

[-Steed-]

YOU CANNOT DENY THE POSSIBILITY OF" SUPER SMASH BROS: DONNYBROOK"!
Toon (Decloned)

I dont understand why people keep saying omg i hate TL because he is just teh clones of link

He look completely dfferent
Has different animations (uses sword more)
Has less power
Is quicker
Has higher jumps
More aerial floatiness
Better recovery
Bigger blast radius of bombs
You have to side smash twice
Arrows arent as good
Normal boomerang instead of tornado
Only 1 slash on up smash

Need i go on....

 

[Chief Mendez]

I dont understand why people keep saying omg i hate TL because he is just teh clones of link

He look completely dfferent
Has different animations (uses sword more)
Has less power
Is quicker
Has higher jumps
More aerial floatiness
Better recovery
Bigger blast radius of bombs
You have to side smash twice
Arrows arent as good
Normal boomerang instead of tornado
Only 1 slash on up smash

Need i go on....

Brawl-clones aren't anywhere near as bad as Melee-clones...but they're still clones. Most of us would have liked to see Midna, Skull Kid, Vaati, or whoever instead of a second Link, is all it really boils down to.

Also, let's see what the roster would be, if each gets 4 next game.

Well, Pokemon already has six, so...I just don't see this happening. An extra F-ZERO and Fire Emblem character, sure (I like WolfCypher's theory on this), but four? I don't know...it just seems a bit excessive.

I think that there should be 5 special moves for each char. The front and back would be different, like in tha air

This is certainly possible, and easily done (shame on those who said otherwise). You just wouldn't add a fifth move like described here. Instead, you'd give everyone a Side Smash Special, like Link's farther Boomerang or Samus' Super Missiles, only different for each character.

For example, take Kirby. His side special is a horizontal swing of his hammer. So leave that like it is, but have his side smash special be a vertical swing, like in his games. This move, having a bigger hit-box, would be less damaging, but then--it's easier to hit with.

For most characters, the SSS would just be a variation of their side special. But they can always get creative, and assign related specials to those two inputs, like so:

Dedede's side special has him throwing a Waddle Dee. His SSS could be a Waddle Dee throwing him. Not only would this be absolutely hilarious, but it's a significant departure from a standard projectile move.

 

[Kirbykrew]

Well, Pokemon already has six, so...I just don't see this happening. An extra F-ZERO and Fire Emblem character, sure (I like WolfCypher's theory on this), but four? I don't know...it just seems a bit excessive..

I just figured for examples. I mean, come on, Mr. Saturn playable? Just wanted to come up with 4 per franchise, seeing as it is possible that Star Fox and Kirby could have 4 next game.

 

[Chief Mendez]

I just figured for examples. I mean, come on, Mr. Saturn playable? Just wanted to come up with 4 per franchise, seeing as it is possible that Star Fox and Kirby could have 4 next game.

Alright, I apologize.

But really, Mr. Saturn (Flint, anybody?)? Where're Louie and the President in the Pikmin set? And I'm sorry, but you can't get away with "Some Other F-Zero thing". You just can't.

 

[mystryman150]

more characters,(MegaMan, Geno ,Clause as The Masked Man, Ridley) better online, more stages from games not represented, items balanced, better stage builder, no tripping. Those last few feature should make people see that Smash isn't a kiddie game but it's an actuall fighting game

 

[SmashChu]

I think I got a solid character list:

[MARIO SERIES]
Mario
Peach
Bowser
Luigi *
Bowser Jr.

[DONKEY KONG SERIES]
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool *

[YOSHI SERIES]
Yoshi
Baby Mario *

[WARIO LAND/WARIOWARE SERIES]
Wario
Captain Syrup *

[LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES]
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf *
Toon Link *

[METROID SERIES]
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley *

[KIRBY SERIES]
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

[EARTHBOUND/MOTHER SERIES]
Ness *
Lucas

[F-ZERO SERIES]
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow *

[STAR FOX SERIES]
Fox
Krystal
Wolf *

[POKEMON SERIES]
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff *
Lucario *
Mewtwo *

[FIRE EMBLEM SERIES]
Marth
Ike
Micaiah *

[RETRO SERIES]
Pit
Ice Climbers
R.O.B *
Mr. Game & Watch *

[STANDALONE SERIES]
Olimar (Pikmin)
Aisya (A.S.H.: Archaic Sealed Heat) *
Isaac (Golden Sun) *
Lip (Panel de Pon/Puzzle League) *

[THIRD-PARTY SERIES]
Snake (Metal Gear Solid) *
Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog) *
Megaman (Megaman) *

An asterisk denotes an unlockable.

Bolds are the ones I have problems with

Capt Syrup isn't importaint enough and doesn't seem very highly requested
Iffy on baby Mario
Have 4 Starfox characters. Dont remove Falco
No Micaiah. Either go with FRoy or a more recent one when another game comes out
Aisya is a nice idea, but I dont think the game is popular in Japan and may not be here. Also, not sure Nintendo owns it or not
Lip I'm skeptical. Not really a fighter or highly requested

Also, needs more Little Mac

Overall, pretty good.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

3) By the time SSB4 comes out, there will be a new Nintendo console, almost guarenteed. SSB hasn't had any repeats yet. Besides, there was how much of a gap between Melee and Brawl? Plenty of time left for another system to be released before we get another Smash Bros..

A few reasons this isn't guaranteed.
1) The gap between Melee and Brawl may have been big, but N64 Bros came out in 1999, melee in 2001. 2 year difference only.

2) What reason would Nintendo have to make a sytem further then the Wii? It's still selling out, doing better then the 360 and PS3 is... there's no need for a future console. They'd be more focused on another hand held.

3) Whats beyond Wii, 360, and PS3? Online is at its peak (Wii's kinda blows, but 360 is the definition of online gaming,) PS3 has like, some of the best graphics you could possibly have on a video game console... what could you add to make another console so much more outstanding then the last?

I predict that by 2 more generation of consoles from know, it'll be virtual reality. And as awesome as that would be for a Smash Bros game, it's a long way off.


And I think the next Smash will have 50 characters, give or take a few, depending on how well games do over the next few years.

 

[WolfCypher]

I'm not against the idea of each franchise (the ones possible) having 4 characters each, but the big 3 (Super Mario, LoZ, & Pokémon) could and should exceed this. As far as Pokémon, I wouldn't be surprised to see up to six reps. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer (I'm only counting him as one character on the character select screen), Lucario, Mewtwo, and a 5th gen Pokémon.

Some franchises don't really have enough noteworthy characters. Really, what 4 characters are really significant to F-Zero? Captain Falcon, Samurai Goroh, and one of the villains. Blood Falcon (or whoever he is) should be an alternate color scheme for C.Falcon, but not his own character. The other "staple" characters (Jody, that scientist that drives the Golden Fox racer) never seem to have any importnance (but yeah, it is a racing game, so what'd you expect?). Pikmin is another example. Really, how would Louie play any differently from Olimar?

I'm just saying I hope these franchises' reps don't get ruined by characters that are just forced into the game for the sake of more fighters.

 

[Kirbykrew]

Alright, I apologize.

But really, Mr. Saturn (Flint, anybody?)? Where're Louie and the President in the Pikmin set? And I'm sorry, but you can't get away with "Some Other F-Zero thing". You just can't.

Hmm...Very well, I'll edit my post to fix those up.

EDIT: Fixed it up! (Changes in Bold)

YOU CANNOT DENY THE POSSIBILITY OF" SUPER SMASH BROS: DONNYBROOK"!

Also, let's see what the roster would be, if each gets 4 next game.
"/" indicates an OR

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach

Link
Zelda
Ganon (Decloned)
Toon (Decloned)

DK
Diddy
K Rool
Dixie (Not a clone)

Yoshi
Bowser Jr.
Baby Mario+Baby Luigi
Kamek

Wario
Capt. Syrup
Mona/Ashley
Jimmy T.

Samus
Zero Suit
Ridley
Dark Samus, if they can make her not a clone.

Ice Climbers
Pit
R.O.B.
Game and Watch

Kirby
Meta Knight
Dedede
Dark Matter/Ribbon/Animal Friend/Daroach (I give up here)

Olimar
Louie
Hocotate Space Freight President
Pikmin

Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Capt. Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Pico

Marth
Ike
Micaiah
Hector

Ness
Lucas
Ninten
Flint/Poo

Pikachu
Jiggs
Trainer
Mewtwo/Lucario/Plusle &Minun

Snake
Sonic
Megaman/Phoenix Wright (Hey, I'd like it...)
Bomberman

That's considering there aren't any new franchises Joining the fray, aside 3rd parties. In case some do,

Animal Crosser/Tom Nook
Lip

There you go, my Roster if every franchise gets about 4 characters.

 

[Big-Cat]

Bolds are the ones I have problems with

Capt Syrup isn't importaint enough and doesn't seem very highly requested
Iffy on baby Mario
Have 4 Starfox characters. Dont remove Falco
No Micaiah. Either go with FRoy or a more recent one when another game comes out
Aisya is a nice idea, but I dont think the game is popular in Japan and may not be here. Also, not sure Nintendo owns it or not
Lip I'm skeptical. Not really a fighter or highly requested

Also, needs more Little Mac

Overall, pretty good.

1. Captain Syrup is important enough. She's the first recurring Nintendo archvillainess, and she' Wario's first enemy. Also, she's making a come back with Wario Land Shake.

2. I'm kinda iffy on removing Falco. I'm all for Krystal as well, but I it doesn't seem right that Starfox gets that many while others are stuck with one or two.

3. Lip was requested a decent amount and was supported quite a bit. She had enough support to get her own theme in Brawl.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Those last few feature should make people see that Smash isn't a kiddie game but it's an actuall fighting game

Which is funny, since Smash Bros. is not, has not, and never will be an "actual fighting game". I hate you.

Lip I'm skeptical. Not really a fighter or highly requested

That's just because we've never had a Panel de Pon game over in the West. Lack of exposeure is all--she'd be a kick-*** fighter, for sure.

Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokémon Trainer (I'm only counting him as one character on the character select screen), Lucario, Mewtwo, and a 5th gen Pokémon.

Don't do that. You've now given the Pokemon franchise a total of eight characters, which is close to a quarter of Brawl's roster.

For the purposes of predicting which characters will be in the next game, you should never go by how many blocks on the character select screen there are. Those take two seconds to make--it's the actual character that takes months to model/create/balance/animate/voice, and so on.

A few reasons this isn't guaranteed.
1) The gap between Melee and Brawl may have been big, but N64 Bros came out in 1999, melee in 2001. 2 year difference only.

2) What reason would Nintendo have to make a sytem further then the Wii? It's still selling out, doing better then the 360 and PS3 is... there's no need for a future console. They'd be more focused on another hand held.

3) Whats beyond Wii, 360, and PS3? Online is at its peak (Wii's kinda blows, but 360 is the definition of online gaming,) PS3 has like, some of the best graphics you could possibly have on a video game console... what could you add to make another console so much more outstanding then the last?

I predict that by 2 more generation of consoles from know, it'll be virtual reality. And as awesome as that would be for a Smash Bros game, it's a long way off.

A few reasons you're wrong.

1) Smash 64 was nowhere near as popular as Melee was. Sure, it sold well, but not as well as it would have had to to warrant a three-year development cycle and the attention of the entire Japanese videogame industry (at least in terms of music), like Brawl did from Melee.

My point is, Nintendo now knows how much these games sell, and will give the development team as much time (Brawl delayed twice!) as they need to make the game as planned. Another fact behind this argument is that I haven't heard of any characters being cut from Brawl, but Dedede and Wario, at least, were planned for Melee (Dedede for Smash 64, even!), but they were eventually slashed. Pichu was admittedly a knock-off who's only purpose was to fill the 26-character quote the team had set for the project.

2) Don't even get started on this. Us "core gamers" are already a bit angsty about the Wii's nowadays-focus on minigames and shovelware. Nintendo sure as hell had better give me a next-gen system with a 50-gig HDD, dedicated online service, Blu-Ray, and much better graphics, as well as games that actually warrant such upgrades, or there will be hell to pay.

3) Microsoft could make a system that doesn't break 30% of the time, Sony could make an affordable console that actually plays games, and Nintendo could [see #2]. Among other things, graphics really aren't the best they can be. Everything on the PS3/360 looks (to me), like brown and gray plastic. Sometimes green. And don't even get me started on bloom lighting. Ugh.

4) Virtual reality's not that close. Within 2 console generations, the only huge change will be digital distribution. By then, internet speeds will be up around a few gigs/second, and our game systems should have terabytes of storage...

 

[GreenKirby]

Those last few feature should make people see that Smash isn't a kiddie game but it's an actuall fighting game

If people still believe Smash is a kiddie game after they witness the brutality of what Ridley did to Samus, the Ancient Minister being incarcerated alive, Pikachu being tortured, Link almost stabbing his sword in Mario's head, Mario trying to crush Link's skull, Snake's grab attack, and Snake's down throw, they will always think Smash is kiddie.

 

[SirKibble]

Link almost stabbing his sword in Mario's head

This one even shocked me. I swear, I thought Mario was gonna permanently wear the Master Sword... I stared at the screen for about a minute, amazed that Mario wasn't dead...

 

[OmegaXXII]

If people still believe Smash is a kiddie game after they witness the brutality of what Ridley did to Samus, the Ancient Minister being incarcerated alive, Pikachu being tortured, Link almost stabbing his sword in Mario's head, Mario trying to crush Link's skull, Snake's grab attack, and Snake's down throw, they will always think Smash is kiddie.

actaully I think you meant to say that he won't think it's a "kiddie game" after seeing such violence

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

If people still believe Smash is a kiddie game after they witness the brutality of what Ridley did to Samus, the Ancient Minister being incarcerated alive, Pikachu being tortured, Link almost stabbing his sword in Mario's head, Mario trying to crush Link's skull, Snake's grab attack, and Snake's down throw, they will always think Smash is kiddie.

If people think smash is a kiddie game its cause they're closed minded graphics whores who judge games they played once. Just because nintendo dosen't have "realistic graphics' that look like theres a brown filter on your screen dosen't mean the game is kiddie

 

[Dekuknight950]

Finally this thread shows up! Alright, time for my hopes!

.::Wishlist::.

=Characters=
-Geno
-Roy (Must have)
-Mewtwo (Same as ^)
-Megaman
-Knuckles
-Rayman
-Balloon Fighter
-Another Roy :3

=Features=
-Improved Online
+No more Friend Codes
+Voice Chat
-Better physics engine
-NO TRIPPING
-Faster paced gameplay
-Board the Platforms
-More Roy!

Maybe one day...

 

[GreenKirby]

actaully I think you meant to say that he won't think it's a "kiddie game" after seeing such violence

Of course I meant to say that. I was talking about immature gamers who automatically judges Nintendo as kiddy no matter how much they (Nintendo) have put violent content in games.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Finally this thread shows up! Alright, time for my hopes!

.::Wishlist::.

=Characters=
-More Roy!

Maybe one day...

Ya... NOOOOOOO! we understand (or should) that Roy was replaced by Ike. Brawl does not need another FE swordsman, we need a mage or someone like Nephenee.

 

[lumberheartwood]

I think I got a solid character list:

[MARIO SERIES]
Mario
Peach
Bowser
Luigi *
Bowser Jr.

[DONKEY KONG SERIES]
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool *

[YOSHI SERIES]
Yoshi
Baby Mario *

[WARIO LAND/WARIOWARE SERIES]
Wario
Captain Syrup *

[LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES]
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf *
Toon Link *

[METROID SERIES]
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley *

[KIRBY SERIES]
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

[EARTHBOUND/MOTHER SERIES]
Ness *
Lucas

[F-ZERO SERIES]
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh *

[STAR FOX SERIES]
Fox
Krystal
Wolf *

[POKEMON SERIES]
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff *
Lucario *
Mewtwo *

[FIRE EMBLEM SERIES]
Marth
Ike
Micaiah *

[RETRO SERIES]
Pit
Ice Climbers
R.O.B *
Mr. Game & Watch *

[STANDALONE SERIES]
Olimar (Pikmin)
Aisya (A.S.H.: Archaic Sealed Heat) *
Isaac (Golden Sun) *
Lip (Panel de Pon/Puzzle League) *

[THIRD-PARTY SERIES]
Snake (Metal Gear Solid) *
Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog) *
Megaman (Megaman) *

An asterisk denotes an unlockable.

I love your thinking. However, I think Falco should be on there and become a regular while Krystal should be an unlockable. I also think Bowser Jr. should be an unlockable. Plus, I think if we were to add another Yoshi series character, it would go to Kamek and to a lesser degree Birdo, not more Mario in his alternate forms. Thank you for including Captain Syrup and Aisya!! I think that when these two characters have their games come out, they will become more requested for the next Smash game. We need more women in video games. But only those that have enough of being in a series that enables them representation. I love the idea of Lip but she seems iffy and I don't think Micaiah will get in at all, for there are future Fire Emblem games to come out by then and she will be long replaced. And also, I think that if a company gets their games published by Nintendo, its fair game to use in SSB. Look at Sin and Punishment and Baiten Kaitos: Origin.

My ideal roster would be:

[MARIO SERIES]
Mario
Peach
Bowser
Luigi *
Bowser Jr. *
Rosalina (I think she would be an ideal new unlockable assist trophy) *

[DONKEY KONG SERIES]
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool *

[YOSHI SERIES]
Yoshi
Kamek or Birdo

[WARIO LAND/WARIOWARE SERIES]
Wario
Captain Syrup *

[LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES]
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf *
Toon Link *
Possible new LoZ playable character*

[METROID SERIES]
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley *

[KIRBY SERIES]
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

[EARTHBOUND/MOTHER SERIES]
Ness *
Lucas

[F-ZERO SERIES]
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow *

[STAR FOX SERIES]
Fox
Falco
Krystal *
Wolf *

[POKEMON SERIES]
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Jigglypuff *
Lucario *
Mewtwo *

[FIRE EMBLEM SERIES]
Marth *
Ike
Future Fire Emblem character *

[RETRO SERIES]
Pit
If rumors are correct, I can see another playable slot reserved for a future new "Kid Icarus" character *
Ice Climbers
R.O.B *
Mr. Game & Watch *
Takamaru (I think he warrants himself as an assist trophy at the least) *

[STANDALONE SERIES]
Olimar (Pikmin)
Isaac (Golden Sun) *
Aisya (A.S.H.: Archaic Sealed Heat) *
Lip (Panel de Pon/Puzzle League - I think she is worthy of being an assist trophy at the least as well) *

[NEW IPS]**
It would make sense to see at least some new material from Nintendo. Therefore, I'm saving up at least two more playable slots for characters not announced to the public at this time and place. I'm not sure whether to make them unlockable yet, but due to Nintendo's habit of revealing new characters as being starters so far in SSB, I'm going to leave it as questionable and in my own opinion, say they will be starters too. Characters that fit here would be in those games like "PROJECT H.A.M.M.E.R.," "Disaster: Day of Crisis," and possibly even "Soma Bringer."

[THIRD-PARTY SERIES]
Snake (Metal Gear Solid) *
Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog) *
Megaman (Megaman) *

* Means unlockable

My total number of ideally sure playable characters has reached 50, which I think is a great number to look at if we want a minimum. Its actually 52 if you count Zero Suit Samus and Sheik, and 54 if you count the PK Trainer as 3 characters. I think it fits in quite well with the "pattern" of playable characters we've been getting in the last three SSB games.

 

[Big-Cat]

I guess I'll put up my roster again. Red are newcomers and Blue are unlockables. Green are alternate costume characters that are underneath the characters they are alts. for.

[Mario]

1. Mario
Dr. Mario
2. Luigi
Mr. L
3. Bowser
4. Peach
Daisy
Rosalina
5. Bowser Jr. or Geno

[Donkey Kong]

6. Donkey Kong
Funky Kong
7. Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
8. King K. Rool

[Zelda]

9. Link
10. Zelda/Sheik
11. Ganondorf (Declone)
12. Toon Link (Decloned)

[Metroid]

13. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
14. Ridley

[Kirby]

14. Kirby
15. Meta Knight
16. King Dedede

[Starfox]
17. Fox
18. Falco
19. Wolf
20. Krystal

[Pokemon]

21. Pikachu
22. Jigglypuff
23. Pokemon Trainer
24. Mewtwo
25. Lucario

[F-Zero]

26. Captain Falcon
27. Black Shadow
28. Samurai Goroh or Jody Summers

[MOTHER]

29. Ness
Ninten
Ana
Paula
Poo
30. Lucas
Kumatora
31. Claus

[Wario]

32. Wario
33. Captain Syrup

[Fire Emblem]

33. Marth
Roy
34. Ike
35. Future FE character or possibly an older one, preferably a girl or a mage.

[Retro]

36. Ice Climbers
37. Mr. Game and Watch
38. R.O.B.
39. Takamaru
40. Sukapon

[Standalone Series]

41. Yoshi
42. Pit (I think he's on his way to a comeback.)
43. Pikmin and Olimar
44. Saki Amamiya
Airan
45. Tom Nook
46. Lip
47. Isaac
48. Ray MK III(Or most recent by then.)

[Third Party]
49. Snake
50. Sonic
Shadow
51. Megaman

In total: 51 Standalone Characters, 12 Alternate Characters, and 27 Franchises.

 

[WolfCypher]

Super Mario Bros.
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

The Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (or dare I say...Ganon?!)
The next incarnation of Young Link or Toon Link (if not Toon Link again)

Metroid
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley
Dark Samus (ONLY if its not a clone, which is very likely it will be)/A Metroid Prime: Hunters character

Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Pokémon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokémon Trainer (complete with the same 3 Pokémon as of Brawl)
Lucario
A 5th Generation Pokemon
(Yes, that's 6 reps, 8 if you count Pokémon Trainer's 3 Pokémon and not the trainer himself. This isn't too much. I will fight you over this.)

Classic NES
Pit
Ice Climbers
Balloon Fighter (sigh)

F-Zero
Captain Falcon

Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Wario Land/Warioware
Wario

Yoshi
Yoshi

Pikmin
Olimar

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas
Ninten

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike/A newer generation hero
The hero of the newer generation Fire Emblem title

R.O.B.
R.O.B.

Game & Watch
Mr. Game & Watch

New Franchises
Advance Wars
Andy

Golden Sun
Isaac

Sin & Punishment
Saki

Animal Crossing
Animal Crosser

3rd Party Guests
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic

Metal Gear
(Solid) Snake

Mega Man
Mega Man

IMO, Refuse entry of...
Waluigi
Geno
Too many **** 3rd Party characters

Explainations for some of the rather odd choices:

Toad: Despite Peach having a B move simply called Toad (which can easily be renamed just like how Melee's Kirby's "Swallow" became Brawl Kirby's "Inhale") I would actually like to see Toad as his own character. And if the arguement about Toad "not having enough material to make into a moveset" comes up, I will immediately bring up that same issue everytime anyone states that Balloon Fighter and Little Mac have enough going to have a full moveset.

Ganon over Ganondorf: Or maybe both. But really, I'd like to see Ganon, but alas, since the game will base the characters on their current designs, and by the time we get a SSB4, I'm sure Ganondorf will still be Ganondorf and not Ganon, I'm sure this is very unlikely.

Too much Pokémon!: No its not. If Brawl could get away with six Pokémon while the Super Mario Bros. series (NOT including DK and Yoshi & Wario, as they were their own reps) only had 4, and we all know that SSB4 will further increase the overall roster, obviously wouldn't the Pokémon franchise also increase?

Only 1 F-Zero character? Still?!: Meh, the characters themselves (of F-Zero) have never held this franchise together as well as, say, the Star Fox characters. Without the Arwings and Lansmasters, the Star Fox characters are actually interesting. Without the F-Zero racing vehicles, you just have a bunch of ho-hum racers whose personal stories are boring to say the least. Really, F-Zero is just about the cars. People could care less why the people behind the cars are racing, or even who they are.

Ninten?: Why not? It always felt weird without all the Mother mains. Besides, I'm interested in two things: 1) if even Ninten will have almost the exact moveset as Ness as Lucas did and 2) how differently they will make Ninten look compared to Ness.

Animal Crosser & Ridley...not THIS again!: If Olimar can go from being the size of a quarter to a full-sized fighter, than Ridley can go from being a dinosaur-sized villain to slightly bigger than Ganondorf. Simple. And the whole statement about who "Animal Crossing isn't about fighting"...well, last I checked, neither was F-Zero. And I surely don't see images of free-for-all's when I think about Pikmin and Ice Climber. Exactly what about SSB is so realistic that the very thought of an Animal Crossing character would make players go "Oh, now I know this game is exaggerrated...there are bloody Animal Crossing characters fighting my Mr. Game & Watch!"

No Geno?! LOL out loud! Failz! Noob! And whatever tired and clichéd interwebz slang you can throw out: I do this out of spite. seriously, I don't know what's worse, the never-endining Captain Falcon fads, or the Geno-obsessed fans...

...no, the Geno fans. Their worse.

Total: 52 characters

 

[Veggi]

@ Kuma
Wow, I actually almost wouldn't change anything on that roster at all. I think Mario is deserving of 6 characters though, possibly Bomberman as another 3rd party, even though I don't care about 3rd parties much, but if it goes anything like the Retro characters I think there will be two new 3rd parties. Also where'd Olimar go?

 

[PKboy89]

you are perfectly right about a animal crossing character, he should be in the game, and he should be the most ****ing broken character in the history of...of ever...

Olimar is a amazing fighter and all he did was enslave cute, tiny creatures and forced them to labor without wager or break and just watched them all die by the mouths of giant monsters...and he walks away without scratch because he forced the smallest creatures to carry parts that were bigger then bowser...wtf is wrong with that guy? And he is one of the best fighters in the game, Tom Nook deserves the most broken moveset ever.

 

[Veggi]

you are perfectly right about a animal crossing character, he should be in the game, and he should be the most ****ing broken character in the history of...of ever...

Olimar is a amazing fighter and all he did was enslave cute, tiny creatures and forced them to labor without wager or break and just watched them all die by the mouths of giant monsters...and he walks away without scratch because he forced the smallest creatures to carry parts that were bigger then bowser...wtf is wrong with that guy? And he is one of the best fighters in the game, Tom Nook deserves the most broken moveset ever.

Tom Nook could have a sling shot as his up smash that could nail people who arn't even close to him. That would be broken. It's a good thing we don't have a character like that.

 

[Big-Cat]

@ Kuma
Wow, I actually almost wouldn't change anything on that roster at all. I think Mario is deserving of 6 characters though, possibly Bomberman as another 3rd party, even though I don't care about 3rd parties much, but if it goes anything like the Retro characters I think there will be two new 3rd parties. Also where'd Olimar go?

I knew I was forgetting something. I'll go put him back in.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

There's one problem with using F-Zero as an example about a game not related to fighting. Captain Falcon, the only playable character from the series is a BOUNTY HUNTER. So he could very well fight.

I don't think having an Animal Crossing character fight is very right. We already have Game and Watch and R.O.B for odd choices as fighting characters anyhow.

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't think having an Animal Crossing character fight is very right. We already have Game and Watch and R.O.B for odd choices as fighting characters anyhow.

Are you saying that we should have a limit on odd fighting characters? That's BS.

 

[GunMaster001]

they should have had a boss from the metal gear solid series!! like The End would have been awesome! or revolver ocolet, idk a boss that would best represent the series.

 

[Chief Mendez]

they should have had a boss from the metal gear solid series!! like The End would have been awesome! or revolver ocolet, idk a boss that would best represent the series.

Well, it'd be limited to characters from MGS1, so it's really either Ocelot, Liquid, or ol' Franky. Liquid = clone, Ocelot = hell yes, Gray Fox = sex...but he's already an AT, so maybe not...

Though I do have a mad awesome Gray Fox moveset lying around somewhere...

And a few other things: 1) Animal Crossing characters can and should fight.

2) Project H.A.M.M.E.R. ha been canned--so forget about that weird cyborg guy showing up in SSB4 (lumberheartwood).

3) And Smash Bros isn't a "kiddie" game exactly, but neither is it "mature". Anyway, it doesn't really matter.

Also, I know you meant to say "incinerated", but...

the Ancient Minister being incarcerated alive

...I, for one, like to think that in whatever strange dimension Smash Bros. takes place, the law enforcement services don't go around throwing people in jail after they've already kicked the bucket.

 

[Master Raven]

As far as third party characters are concerned, I'd so want Dante (Devil May Cry) and Zero (Mega Man series). :D

 

[BarakuDragon]

Characters:

Zero (from megaman series)


No tripping would be nice =p lol.

If they keep sub space emisary make it a bit more challenging or not as repetative, they should give more detail to the game i'm hoping that it's a next gen game so maybe it'll be a blue ray disc to give more detail to 1 play options as well as improve multi player.

Online:

Non friend matches:

Server improved
Custom matches *just if you want items or not and stocks or time limit based*
Non custom matches *prob just smash ball and time based*
you can have a guest play onlien to just like they do in mario kart *they should've done it in brawl i don't know why they didn't*

Friend Matches:

No friend codes *use bloody gamertags like the other consoles pl0x*
Server improved
nothing else wrong with friend matches customer matches are good.

That's pretty much all i can think about =p lol.

 

[Big-Cat]

If Adventure Mode levels are like Melee's how should each franchise be handled?

I'm thinking the Metroid level should have the doors and Metroids flying around.

 

[hippochinfat!!]

Ocelot from Metal Gear Solid should be a character.

B: Hand gesture
Down B: He fakes being possed by Liquid and his moves change (Will add later)
Side B: Triple cross. He totally owns everyone.
Up B: He shoots himself with his revolver to recover.

 

[SirKibble]

The Adventure Mode should take place in the settings of the characters' actual games, and nobody should get the shaft in it (Toon Link, Jigglypuff, Wolf...). All characters can at least have a place somewhere in the story.

 

[Chief Mendez]

I disagree about the Adventure mode--it's fine like it is in SSE, it just needs more polish. Sure, it'd be fun to visit every franchise's universe during the course of the game, but it's not necessary. After all, isn't the whole overarching idea behind the Smash Bros. series that all these characters are just trophies brought to life? They can keep the whole "generic Smash Bros. world", with all the floating coliseums and random caves you can stomach, they just need a better storyline.

One that could involve all these "trophies" banding together to chase down some all-powerful evil force, and perhaps visiting the dimension where the characters they represent actually exist. Crazy.

 

[SirKibble]

I disagree about the Adventure mode--it's fine like it is in SSE, it just needs more polish. Sure, it'd be fun to visit every franchise's universe during the course of the game, but it's not necessary. After all, isn't the whole overarching idea behind the Smash Bros. series that all these characters are just trophies brought to life? They can keep the whole "generic Smash Bros. world", with all the floating coliseums and random caves you can stomach, they just need a better storyline.

One that could involve all these "trophies" banding together to chase down some all-powerful evil force, and perhaps visiting the dimension where the characters they represent actually exist. Crazy.

That's true, I guess I'd be fine with that. I still think every character should get a story spot, though. Random doors with hidden characters showing up after beating the game was not my idea of cool. And a better storyline would be quite nice.

 

[Chief Mendez]

That's true, I guess I'd be fine with that. I still think every character should get a story spot, though. Random doors with hidden characters showing up after beating the game was not my idea of cool. And a better storyline would be quite nice.

Well yeah, I agree with you there. Now that they've already done an all-inclusive story mode like SSE, they shouldn't have any problems working all the characters in this time.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Are you saying that we should have a limit on odd fighting characters? That's BS.

Not really...but Sakurai already came out and said that characters such as those in Animal Crossing or Nintendogs don't really fit the fighting type. So I don't see them being playable any time soon.