[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[flyinfilipino]

It'd take too long for me to decide my own perfect little wishlist. But I love how you think a second MGS character is likely. Mother getting a single nother character is ridiculous, two is pushing it for a series that's dead with only 3 games. But you think 4 characters is LIKELY?!? Same case goes for 2 warioware characters, they aren't getting a single character addition. Two new Sonic characters is very questionable, but not nearly as much of a glaring flaw as the other things on your list.

But seriously, that list is utterly ridiculous. HOW DARE YOU! BLASPHEMEY!

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OMFG IT'S "BLASPHEMY". BLASPHEMY. DON'T YOU DARE SPELL IT WRONG AGAIN.

How about just one new Sonic character? I'm not a huge fan of Sonic, but Sega might push for it.

 

[MasterWarlord]

If any 3rd party series deserves a second character, it's Sonic without question. Popularity and importance of the actual resies and the actual characters go far beyond that of any of the other potetional 3rd parties, and most of the charaters in Smash.

All it really boils to though is if the characters get enough support for SSB4. They'll certainly get much more support then they got in Brawl though, seeing as Sonic is in. Due to them not making money for Nintendo, they won't include them on their own until they're down to adding a Goomba, they'll only include them on fan request. More then any other aspect of the roster, the fight over which 3rd party characters get in for the most part is a popularity contest.

 

[Chief Mendez]

I'd like more pieces to screw with.

That's what she said.

Question: do you think ssb4 will be releaseed on the wii or, another future gen system?

Unless Ninty releases a "director's cut" of Brawl, then most definitely on their next major console.

Speaking of, I was reading an article on Destructoid yesterday about "5 Things Nintendo Can Do Immediately To Make Up With Their Core Audience", and not to bring up that stupid debate, but one of the guy's five ideas was to make a Special Edition of Brawl, with Mario Kart Wii's online, and alternate outfits (as other characters, like Mario > Dr. Mario, etc.).

What was funny was that the one character he suggested was using King Dedede's moveset...for--of all people--Tom Nook. Instead of throwing Waddle Dees, he'd throw his nephews, Timmy and Tommy. And rather than a giant hammer, he'd go around with a giant axe.

So I spent the rest of the night laughing as I tried to imagine Tom Nook using Inhale.

 

[Darkwashu]

It'd take too long for me to decide my own perfect little wishlist. But I love how you think a second MGS character is likely.

I knew I forgot something

Mother getting a single nother character is ridiculous, two is pushing it for a series that's dead with only 3 games. But you think 4 characters is LIKELY?!? Same case goes for 2 warioware characters, they aren't getting a single character addition. Two new Sonic characters is very questionable, but not nearly as much of a glaring flaw as the other things on your list.

But seriously, that list is utterly ridiculous. HOW DARE YOU! BLASPHEMEY!

Snakes chapter in the MGS franchise is also dead...I think..or something
I just dont care for MGS, so I couldnt make insane and ridiculous wishes for it!


*Puts everyone under MOTHER in many magenta*
Understand, this is also a WISH LIST, I personally think Pokey should be in > Claus, as hes more important, and I would throw in like 100 Earthbound characters if I could.
But like hell Santa cares for me.

I said next to the two sonic characters "Not that Sonic is going to get another rep anyway"


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Anyway, what do you think they are gonna do with the SSE in SSB4?

 

[MasterWarlord]

I know it was a wishlist, and that's why I completed ignored the characters in magneta who you acknoweledge you had no chance. You have the right to hope your favorite characters get in, I'd be an idiot to attack you for simply WANTING that.

But K. Rool needs to be in. The only Kong worthy to enter is Dixie, and she's far outclassed by K. Rool in importance and popularity.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Unless there's some other issue with Subspace in the happy land of Smash Bros. next game, I wouldn't expect a SSE sequel. A new adventure mode plot, though? Why not? *insert other peoples' ideas here* Of course, once we find out that certain characters we wanted didn't make it or that the game isn't the way we want it to be, we will blame this new adventure mode for it.

EDIT: LOL at Tom Nook tossing Timmy and Tommy.

EDIT2:

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DON'T YOU DARE START THE DIXIE KONG THING AGAIN

 

[MasterWarlord]

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So long as Pieman and I aren't here at the same time, it's all good. I have no intentions of wasting hours of my life in an argument against him again when in our arguments he's constantly making me go off on wild goose chases to deflect his bogus claims. (Cartoon Bowser, K. Rool's genericness, Dixie being unable to use Diddy's moves due to not having used them before despite K. Rool being physically incapable of doing some of Bowser's moves.)

That said. . .We NEED a Magikarp pokeball that works like Goldeen, but if hit evolves into Gyarados and kills everything. Seriously, Magikarp/Gyarados is one of the more original and iconic Pokemon in the series and it's ridiculous they haven't recieved Pokeball Pokemon treatment.

 

[flyinfilipino]

That said. . .We NEED a Magikarp pokeball that works like Goldeen, but if hit evolves into Gyarados and kills everything. Seriously, Magikarp/Gyarados is one of the more original and iconic Pokemon in the series and it's ridiculous they haven't recieved Pokeball Pokemon treatment.

Don't you mean...

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BLASPHEMY?!

First generation representation FTW (actually, every other generation too. Might as well throw in Geodude and Zubat and Machop and Tentacool as well).

 

[§leepy God]

What ever the need to get Ike in his RD look then that will make me happy. Micaiah is my most wanted but I doubt she'll get in easiely so..... Eirika?

 

[princesspeachluver13]

we need peach in a more layered dress...and less revealing underwear.

also, my wish list
New Characters:
*puts up flame shield*
Mario:
Rosi
Paper Mario
Paper Peach
Paper Bowser
Paper Luigi
Toad and Toadette(yeah, where gonna have to replace peach's B with something if this is gonna happen)

Zelda:
REAL WWLink
WW Zelda
WW Ganon
Midna

Yoshi:
Birdo
Shyguy(lol)
Magikoopa

Samus:
NOONE, but remove regular samus, if you know what i mean...lol

Wario:
KILL WARIO

DAH!(New 3rd prty):
Crypto

MGS:
Solidus Snake
Liquid Snake

DK:
Fatass K. Rool
Funky
Tiny
Dixie
Cranky

Other:
Louie(Pikmin)
Megaman(shut up losers)
Geno(SEE ABOVE LOSERS)

Items:
Pet Rock
Broom
Easy Button
Levitatotron
4x4
Monkey Wrench
Wrecking Ball
Luma

New Pokeball Pokemon:
Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie
Shaymin
Arceus
Regigigas
Gallade
Mismagius
Magnezone
Primeape
Rotom(forme changes each time opened)

Stages:
Cosmic Observatory
Landing Site(Pikmin)
(Inside)Peach's Castle
Mario Stadium(Super Sluggers)
Under a Rock(???)
Different Luigi's Mansion Rooms(Not Like Brawl; Make ghosts gimmicks)
Hall of Origin (Pokemon)

Music:
(Inside)Peach's Castle(redone; Mario 64)
Cosmic Observatory(Redone)
Good Egg Galaxy
Legendary Pokemon Music

Well, Thats all. Tell me watcha think! Please BE NICE!

 

[MasterWarlord]

I'll say this once and only once (For this argument). The only new FE character that will get in will be a new FE lord. That is all.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

Well, altho I HATE HIS FREAKING GUTS AND I WANT HIM DEAD, how bout roy returning?

 

[Y.b.M.]

It's so Obvious that they should add major capcom Characters....MEGAMAN, PROTOMAN, ZERO, AXL....ummm...Bomber Man, They should Give Ganondorf his sword....I don't think they should put alot of characters on it though...probably just like 6 or 7 more...and replace certain characters like GW, IC, Olimar, characters like that.... Ummm Crash Bandicoot, Shadow, Knuckles, Tails, Ocilot, Raiden(MGS) more DK and Mario players and I'll be satisfied....no more of them vertical and Horizontal scrolling stages....or that tripping...they should let you customize your own colors and also let you have more options when your creating the stages....ummm thats all i can think of at the moment....hehe

 

[princesspeachluver13]

Dude You Creep Me The **** Out

 

[KoJ]

Dude You Creep Me The **** Out

Er... What? Are you talking about his sig? I don't see how Gaara's very creepy, other than coming from a mediocre comic.

Y.b.M: Raiden? Please no. Raiden's just... Ugh...

 

[princesspeachluver13]

all-around...no offense

 

[Chief Mendez]

...and less revealing underwear.

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BLASPHEMY

Anyway. The Magikarp thing is a great idea. Even putting aside the Gyarados evolution, I always thought that the "useless" Pokeball Pokemon should be Magikarp, not Goldeen.

Raiden's just... Ugh...

I believe the word you're looking for is abso-f*cking-lutely awesome.

@ Y.b.M.: Not only did you spell "Revolver Ocelot" wrong, but you are also dumb.

P.S. Sheeda should be the third FE rep. Unless FE12 rocks my socks. In which case someone from that game.

 

[Greenstreet]

So anyway I don't want this post to big a long spiel, because it's nothing I am too passionate or adamant about but I had an idea I think would be cool for SSB4 (knowing fully that chances of it happening are less than 0%)
Anywho, my idea was that a new items could be put into play. My ideas were

-Fire Stone
-Leaf Stone
-Water Stone
-Thunder Stone

Sure, I am aware there are other stones in Pokemon but this'll do for simplicities sake. Anyway the point is... when they are thrown at anyone they do their elemental attack.... so they can be treated as normal items but if a Pikachu picks up a Thunderstone for instance they have the option of evolving. I see many flaws showing up, and it's reception probably wouldn't go down well, regarding items in tournaments and the changability to and from Raichu to Pikachu. But yer, I thought I'd throw it out there for all to hear.
Cheers lads.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Sure, I am aware there are other stones in Pokemon but this'll do for simplicities sake. Anyway the point is... when they are thrown at anyone they do their elemental attack.... so they can be treated as normal items but if a Pikachu picks up a Thunderstone for instance they have the option of evolving. I see many flaws showing up, and it's reception probably wouldn't go down well, regarding items in tournaments and the changability to and from Raichu to Pikachu. But yer, I thought I'd throw it out there for all to hear.
Cheers lads.

Eh, the idea of a completely one-way transformation for everyone's favorite Pika-rat is iffy.

Raichu would be a fun Pokemon to use though...kinda like a stronger, slightly slower Pikachu with more range But no one would like him.

 

[Agi]

Anywho, my idea was that a new items could be put into play. My ideas were

-Fire Stone
-Leaf Stone
-Water Stone
-Thunder Stone

Well, the only thing this would effect would be the casual scene...
But I do like the idea of more throwing items, so long as they dissappear after the first throw.

 

[Greenstreet]

Yer it was just speculation. There is not enough *stone* pokemon on SSB for it to work out. I wish they would make a pokemon game with the same setup. Thats seriously what I thought Pokemon Stadium was going to be like...I was a bit disappointed.
Way too many pokemon now for it to happen.

 

[princesspeachluver13]

that's a really cool idea! also, greenstreet, i love the stone idea!

 

[Chief Mendez]

That's seriously what I thought Pokemon Stadium was going to be like...I was a bit disappointed.

At this point I'd take almost any sort of battle system over the turn-based, 4-move system I've been enjoying playing for over a decade now. Even the addition of a Final Fantasy-esque ATB gauge would be enough to keep it fresh for another few hundred hours of gameplay.

...But of course, the Holy Grail of Pokemon games is that mysterious beast: the 3D MMORPG. The idea fits perfectly into the Pokemon world...but Ninty will never pursue that, due to their obsession with protecting the fragile minds of children everywhere from the idiocy that is the internet...

 

[flyinfilipino]

At this point I'd take almost any sort of battle system over the turn-based, 4-move system I've been enjoying playing for over a decade now. Even the addition of a Final Fantasy-esque ATB gauge would be enough to keep it fresh for another few hundred hours of gameplay.

...But of course, the Holy Grail of Pokemon games is that mysterious beast: the 3D MMORPG. The idea fits perfectly into the Pokemon world...but Ninty will never pursue that, due to their obsession with protecting the fragile minds of children everywhere from the idiocy that is the internet...

That and Pokemon's gotta keep the sales of handhelds gud.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

It's so Obvious that they should add major capcom Characters....MEGAMAN, PROTOMAN, ZERO, AXL....ummm...Bomber Man, They should Give Ganondorf his sword....I don't think they should put alot of characters on it though...probably just like 6 or 7 more...and replace certain characters like GW, IC, Olimar, characters like that.... Ummm Crash Bandicoot, Shadow, Knuckles, Tails, Ocilot, Raiden(MGS) more DK and Mario players and I'll be satisfied....no more of them vertical and Horizontal scrolling stages....or that tripping...they should let you customize your own colors and also let you have more options when your creating the stages....ummm thats all i can think of at the moment....hehe

It's times like these where i'm glad that Nintendo doesn't listen to their fans.

 

[SONiiC_64]

I for one see Falco as the only clone now, as Ganondorf has similar moves to Flacon but have different ways of execution whereas, Falco is exactly the sme as Fox.

* Add Megaman, Maybe Sakurai can get technique ideas from Marvel Superheroes vs. Capcome Series for Megaman, for Final Smashes and etc.

* Have atleast 2-3 Different Attires for Characters, not just Wario and not just changing Peach to Daisy or Lucas to Red Hair. E.g. Give Mario Dr. Mario, and Luigi a Waluigi Moustache, and Samus' Awesome suits over the years, Have sonic change Hair Styles, Short hair (Early) to Long Hair (Present).

* My Idea for A Sonic Stage would to Incorporate all Levels of Sonic 2 (SEGA MEGA DRIVE II) into one. Like Mushroomy Kingdom, but the Scenery changes as we scroll. From Emerald Hill, to Chemical Plant, to Casino Nights, to Metropolis etc.

* + Enhance Stage Builde for Goodness Sake!!! PLEASE!! Creating the Old-Skool Levels are soooo fun, but having limited items just annoy me!!

* Have Saffron City!!!! That is All!!!!

 

[Mardyke]

Does anyone consider it appropriate for a variation reverse-side special attack to be added to the game? e.g. If the character is facing to the right and the player does B-left, then they pull a variation of their side move in that direction.

Just a thought. It might help some characters more than others.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Does anyone consider it appropriate for a variation reverse-side special attack to be added to the game? e.g. If the character is facing to the right and the player does B-left, then they pull a variation of their side move in that direction.

Just a thought. It might help some characters more than others.

I believe this has come up a number of times, and personally, I'd rather not see an entirely different move used in that case.

Rather, a slight tweak or alteration to that character's normal Side Special. For example, rather than Kirby using his normal Hammer, he'd swing it in a vertical arc, giving it a different shape hitbox, and less knockback, but more damage.

@SONiiC_64: Props for thinking of the best Sonic game ever, but that seems like a ton of work for one stage...

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says the guy who wants a stage based on the entire world of Pokemon

 

[OmegaXXII]

...But of course, the Holy Grail of Pokemon games is that mysterious beast: the 3D MMORPG. The idea fits perfectly into the Pokemon world...but Ninty will never pursue that, due to their obsession with protecting the fragile minds of children everywhere from the idiocy that is the internet...

lol.. Chief you are such a nerd

anyway if you are talking about the Pokemon Battle system, what do you mean by MMORPG? I'm sorry, but I just got lost just when I read that.

 

[Chief Mendez]

lol.. Chief you are such a nerd

anyway if you are talking about the Pokemon Battle system, what do you mean by MMORPG? I'm sorry, but I just got lost just when I read that.

Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Think World of WarCraft, Everquest, etc.

Just imagine it: every player starts off in one of hundreds of towns/cities (the different servers), picks a starter Pokemon, then goes around battling wild Pokemon and capturing them like normal...but trainer battles would be voluntary, as every trainer in the game is another human. So it would take PvP to a new level. And since it's on PC, there's infinite room for new Pokemon to be added to the game as the series goes.

They could add entire new regions, with a new set of gyms and everything. GOD. That would be so cool.

 

[Mardyke]

The problem is that it would almost certainly kill the 2D Pokémon series if it became an MMORPG, and that might be all that will ever become of Pokémon besides spin-off party games or Mystery Dungeon.

I'd rather have a more actiony 3D game that emphasises a journey but has an engine where you actually control your pokémon directly (flying with a Pidgeotto and using your skill to take out an Onix would be awesome). But I digress, this is for Smash Brothers 4, not 3D pokémon.

I believe this has come up a number of times, and personally, I'd rather not see an entirely different move used in that case.

Rather, a slight tweak or alteration to that character's normal Side Special.

That's what I'm thinking. It's also universal as it doesn't have to help everyone; I can see Ike's charge benefitting from it (starts an uncharged, weaker version of his charge attack, but already travels a fair distance), but not necessarily Mario's cape which would be fine as it is.

 

[Chief Mendez]

The problem is that it would almost certainly kill the 2D Pokémon series if it became an MMORPG, and that might be all that will ever become of Pokémon besides spin-off party games or Mystery Dungeon.

Well, Ninty could keep the 2D games running, and only add the new generations to the MMO like, a year after they come out on handhelds. And if they charged 10$ a month for a subscription fee? They'd make buckets.

I'd rather have a more actiony 3D game that emphasises a journey but has an engine where you actually control your pokémon directly (flying with a Pidgeotto and using your skill to take out an Onix would be awesome).

Yeah, but like you pointed out, making a fun action game in which you can control over 500 characters would be a feat of superhuman prowess.

But I do think that would make an awesome spin-off series. I don't know what the premise behind it would be, but it'd be really fun nonetheless.

But I digress, this is for Smash Brothers 4, not 3D pokémon.

You must be new here.

We regularly go off on tangents like this at least a few times a week. Don't worry about carrying on a little side conversation like this.

That's what I'm thinking. It's also universal as it doesn't have to help everyone; I can see Ike's charge benefitting from it (starts an uncharged, weaker version of his charge attack, but already travels a fair distance), but not necessarily Mario's cape which would be fine as it is.

Even Mario's cape could work differently. His regular cape might work exactly like it does now: reflecting and reversing stuff while popping him slightly up into the air.

But if you used his Back Special, he'd spin in place quickly, letting the cape's effect surround him on all sides in exchange for any sort of recovery benefit, and some more lag at the end.

Plus that more accurately reflects how the cape is used in the game it hails from.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Think World of WarCraft, Everquest, etc.

Just imagine it: every player starts off in one of hundreds of towns/cities (the different servers), picks a starter Pokemon, then goes around battling wild Pokemon and capturing them like normal...but trainer battles would be voluntary, as every trainer in the game is another human. So it would take PvP to a new level. And since it's on PC, there's infinite room for new Pokemon to be added to the game as the series goes.

They could add entire new regions, with a new set of gyms and everything. GOD. That would be so cool.

you mean a server PC Pokemon game? hmm.. how cool would it actually be to customize your trainer and level up your pokemon as you train and battle against others, though I doubt ANY Nintendo game will ever go PC which is the sad thing.

 

[Chief Mendez]

you mean a server PC Pokemon game? hmm.. how cool would it actually be to customize your trainer and level up your pokemon as you train and battle against others, though I doubt ANY Nintendo game will ever go PC which is the sad thing.

Yeah, an online game where every player has a customized character (trainer), and goes around the virtual world battling other player characters to level up their caught Pokemon.

And they managed to fit Phantasy Star Online on consoles, so they could probably get a Pokemon MMO in that vein to run fine on Ninty's next system.

 

[binki4]

yah right maybe sakurai could ask keiji inafune permission to use megaman imedely for his movesets
and the name of the adventure mode i called is the cyberspace chronicles

 

[•Col•]

Meh... They could change Ganondorf in the next game, but keep him exactly the same... o-o He'd have the same physics and abilities just as he does now... He'd always be holding his sword, but he'd just change some of his moves so he's use his it instead, so everyone would be happy... xP

Now, some of the moves that would change... For his Up smash, he'd stab his sword upwards instead of kicking... His downsmash, he'd swing his sword in front and back of him, instead of using his leg... For his dtilt, he'd swipe the ground instead of a kick again...

His Up tilt... Seriously, wtf... Ganondorf is not that flexible... Instead of the kick, he'd just thrust his empty hand downward to cause an explosion...

Now his aerials.... His uair, he would swipe his sword over his head instead of a bicycle kick... For his nair, instead of a bunch of kicks, a bunch of horizontal swipes with the sword...

For his Down B, instead of a kick, he'd charge forward with his sword extended... Lastly, for his Up B, it would be more of a glide upwards, instead of a jumping motion, ending with a swipe of the sword instead of an uppercut...

All his other moves would stay the same, cuz they already are really cool and don't need any changing... xD

So yeah... Just a thought I had when I couldn't fall asleep a few months ago... xD

EDIT: Due to popular command, I thought I'd share some of my ideas to change some of his other moves to make people happy... <.<

Down B could be a dark ball projectile or something.... You could charge it up and and stuff.... His Up B would give him some extra vertical distance than it does now, since it's pretty bad as it is now... D: Side B and Neutral B would stay the same, since they're so cool... xD

His jab would remain the same... As would his ftilt (THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!)... The dtilt would be a sword swipe, as I already mentioned... Utilt would be Ganondorf striking his hand upward, causing a large explosion above him (Think kind of like Zelda's Uair)... Plus, it wouldn't take so god awful long, and wouldn't have huge startup lag... xD Wouldn't have as much knockback as his usmash though... =P

His smashes would change as I already stated... His forward smash would be interesting... It would cause a sphere of dark magic around him... Not very good range, but it'd hit all around him...

His nair and uair would change as I already stated... Fair stays the same, it's pretty bad***... Maybe give is some dark magic effect to make it even moreso... xD Dair would stay the same (Also very bad***)... And bair could be something like Ike's bair or something... I dunno... xD

 

[OmegaXXII]

Meh... They could change Ganondorf in the next game, but keep him exactly the same... o-o He'd have the same physics and abilities just as he does now... He'd always be holding his sword, but he'd just change some of his moves so he's use his it instead, so everyone would be happy... xP

well..... not really, the point of having Ganon different with a differnt moveset is so that he won't be a clone of Ganon's, I'm sure you probably knew that already, but saying you want to keep him the same as he already is is just a big NO.

indeed he should have his sword, but I also want him to have some moves that represent him better more like Dark magic for example, although I do have to admit his Warlock Punch is pretty cool even though it really doesn't suit him.

 

[Chief Mendez]

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WAAAGH TRIDENT OF POWER

That would...kind of work, Colaya...but if they did choose to do that, I think I'd end up feeling even more cheated--they finally gave him a weapon, but still didn't change anything.

Either way, his Utilt really needs to change. What a useless (and ridiculous) piece of crap that is.

 

[kuro06]

I for one see Falco as the only clone now, as Ganondorf has similar moves to Flacon but have different ways of execution whereas, Falco is exactly the sme as Fox.

Dude..Falco and Fox are not SAME anymore like they were in melee. Seriously have you actually PLAYED Falco? sure his Specials are similar but they changed Falco ALOT his A moves are almost completely different from Fox dude...it annoys me that people say that constantly. It's like they pay attention to maybe a few moves that have some similarity and claim they are the same and when their styles are COMPLETELY different from each other. I mean I don't understand your logic..your ok with Gannon/Falcon but you see Falco and Fox as the same.

 

[•Col•]

Yeah, I just assumed that there were many people that a bunch of people liked him the way he is... =P Maybe I was wrong to do so... In which case, I edited my last post a bit to make you people happy... xD