Official Metaknight Discussion

[Judo777]

No, it's frame impossible roflmao, unless something's changed or I've been grossly misinformed.

Otochun Beat a good akuma with chun-li at Xmania 4.

Also i think this sounds very similar to MK.

" Life is short - BAN AKUMA (1st post updated)

Intro by Wes Truelson one of the finest ST players in the history of the game.
Quote Originally Posted by lftrpllr View Post
It's as simple as this: Akuma does not fit well into this game. The risk/reward with this character is so out of whack with every other character in the game. Sure, some characters can fight him, but no one can go toe to toe with him. Banning him simply keeps the game more interesting on the tournament level. He might not win every tournament, but guaranteed someone (who probably doesn't deserve it) will finish very high in the placing with him on a consistent basis."

 

[Asdioh]

haha wow, that sounds a lot like MK. He might not be quite as broken as Akuma (if we're ignoring planking for the moment) but it's the same concept.

Can you link to that Judo?

 

[Judo777]

haha wow, that sounds a lot like MK. He might not be quite as broken as Akuma (if we're ignoring planking for the moment) but it's the same concept.

Can you link to that Judo?

http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=170255

 

[MarKO X]

be aware
that's the HD Remix.

that's the "rebalanced" Akuma.

 

[Spelt]

what marko said.


http://www.sirlin.net/articles/street-fighter-hd-remix-akuma.html

 

[Judge Judy]

MK is extremely good, verging on broken in some areas, but still not ban worthy; MK is really, really good, but he's not going to get banned.

 

[DMG]

I AM THE LAW!

Lol

 

[MKOwnage]

I honestly think IC's and there pivot grab can easily take out MK. I actually think they're the best in the game.

 

[DMG]

Psh

You live in Montana, your opinion is invalid.

 

[fkacyan]

WRONG AKUMA BROSKIS.

But this has been said already.

 

[solecalibur]

I honestly think IC's and there pivot grab can easily take out MK. I actually think they're the best in the game.

Just platform camp and look for openings your going to lose your first so many matches against ICs because its a little more difficult to get the MU right (you get grabbed if you do it wrong =p)

IC's grab range is terrible once your break down the MU it isnt as bad


Metaknight on the other hand.... What hasnt been said yet?
I also dont give a crap if you beat metaknight main X with character X because I dare you to let them have a rematch and learn the MU and see who comes on top once again

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

WRONG AKUMA BROSKIS.

But this has been said already.

Yes. We are comparing MK to the Akuma that wasn't even considerable as unbanned as far as level of brokenness goes. Like, the RIDICULOUSLY broken one. Let alone the one which was contestably overpowered.

Broken Akuma had incredibly ridiculous matchups, but it wasn't like as soon as you get the lead the match can end.

 

[OfTheEarth]

Yes. We are comparing MK to the Akuma that wasn't even considerable as unbanned as far as level of brokenness goes. Like, the RIDICULOUSLY broken one. Let alone the one which was contestably overpowered.

Broken Akuma had incredibly ridiculous matchups, but it wasn't like as soon as you get the lead the match can end.

so we must be tlaking about cyborg akuma,
from Marvel Superheroes vs. Street Fighter.
O_o

 

[MarKO X]

lol nope.
we're talking about This Akuma

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

lol nope.
we're talking about This Akuma

Metaknight
Akuma
makes sense Metakuma

Spoiler

Hakuna Matata

 

[MarKO X]

 

[TeeVee]

mk is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

 

[Spelt]

melee fox is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

 

[MarKO X]

Isai64 is so broken, he even won everything.

 

[Karcist]

mk is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

Sorry, but for me, couple sets don't represent SSBB as a whole.

 

[OfTheEarth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOl51HsZaLM&feature=related
well i'm talking about this akuma
don't have to watch the whole video
but his dragon punch goes through supers o_O

 

[demonictoonlink]

melee fox is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

So you are agreeing Melee fox is no less broken than MK.

 

[solecalibur]

mk is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

Well since you seem to be in charge of here what criteria DO I have to fill before YOUR demands are met

 

[MarKO X]

So you are agreeing Melee fox is no less broken than MK.

hmmmm...

*wonders if Melee Fox would be able to WaveShine through Final Smashes like MK can plank through them*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOl51HsZaLM&feature=related
well i'm talking about this akuma
don't have to watch the whole video
but his dragon punch goes through supers o_O

If you're gonna pull out random Capcom bosses, let's get this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IEiSgkOUYU

 

[Steel]

Stay on topic.

 

[DanGR]

@Anti-ban players that agree with the implementation of LGLs-

If Falco was untouchable onstage (Let's say he had a frame advantage on EVERYone by using a very simple pattern of attacks; he can beat all approaching and camping options through reactionary measures if the player does everything correctly- let's assume it's fairly easy to do.)...

Would you limit him... somehow? Or ban him outright.

Also, if you would limit Falco using some sort of arbitrary rule, would it be because you consider being untouchable "stalling"?



One last question.

How is this scenario much different from MK planking on the ledge?


Will respond later tonight.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

mk is so br00ken, he even won the last nationa...oh wait, well he won the national before tha...no wait...WELL HE STILL WINS LOCALS!

Hmm... Let's see... What's the ideal counter for this...

I'm just gonna come out and say that you're an idiot. We've gone over why the top MK keeps losing nationals. ADHD and Ally are BETTER THAN M2K. As in, the best 2 players in the game are better than the best MK. Additionally, there are anti-competitive rules in place SPECIFICALLY TO LIMIT METAKNIGHT. God, put this through your stupid, biased head! The reason that MK hasn't won a national for a while is the same reason why any top character doesn't win nationals-the best player of that character may get his *** handed to him by someone better than him, who knows? M2K is no longer the king of brawl; this should be evident. ADHD and Ally beat him in the tournament; they are better than him. And by this I mean a good bit better. It's also very possible that M2K sucks against Diddy. He beat Ally at Pound 4.

 

[TeeVee]

Hmm... Let's see... What's the ideal counter for this...

I'm just gonna come out and say that you're an idiot. We've gone over why the top MK keeps losing nationals. ADHD and Ally are BETTER THAN M2K. As in, the best 2 players in the game are better than the best MK. Additionally, there are anti-competitive rules in place SPECIFICALLY TO LIMIT METAKNIGHT. God, put this through your stupid, biased head!

lolololol

do you REALLY think adhd and ally are leagues ahead of m2k?

 

[etecoon]

I'm just gonna come out and say that you're an idiot. We've gone over why the top MK keeps losing nationals. ADHD and Ally are BETTER THAN M2K. As in, the best 2 players in the game are better than the best MK.

the better players are winning...it's almost like MK isn't really a problem at all or something!

lol u

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

lolololol

do you REALLY think adhd and ally are leagues ahead of m2k?

Leagues ahead? No. But I think they're far enough ahead for ADHD to take 2 SETS off of M2K at Pound 4, and for Ally to beat M2K in Grand Finals in Apex and Genesis.

What speaks against it? If they aren't better than M2K, why are they winning? Are you going to say that Diddy and Snake have good MUs against MK or something?

And this is despite the fact that MK has rules to limit him specifically.

 

[TeeVee]

LOL pro-ban bring out someone who isn't ******** please, he's making you guys look so bad right now.

 

[Cold Fusion]

Don't forget M2K doesn't scrooge as much as he should.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

LOL pro-ban bring out someone who isn't ******** please, he's making you guys look so bad right now.

You realize how funny this is, right? I bring out an argument, and you respond with ad hominem... claiming that I'm ********? What's so ******** about my statements? If you have to resort to ad hominem to win... you've lost.

The top players in the world can beat the top MKs in the world because they are better (be it overall or just in these 4 sets), and because MK has anti-competitive, indescreet rules limiting him. Without these rules MK would have closer to a 70-30 against the entire ****ing cast.

 

[TeeVee]

Leagues ahead? No. But I think they're far enough ahead for ADHD to take 2 SETS off of M2K at Pound 4, and for Ally to beat M2K in Grand Finals in Apex and Genesis.

What speaks against it? If they aren't better than M2K, why are they winning? Are you going to say that Diddy and Snake have good MUs against MK or something?

And this is despite the fact that MK has rules to limit him specifically.

so what you're saying is, adhd and ally are the most talented players in brawl and even though mk is the best character, their skill allows them to overcome the top mk's to win nationals?

then why the **** should he be banned?

 

[etecoon]

so what you're saying is, adhd and ally are the most talented players in brawl and even though mk is the best character, their skill allows them to overcome the top mk's to win nationals?

then why the **** should he be banned?

because we have pie charts

delicious pie

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

so what you're saying is, adhd and ally are the most talented players in brawl and even though mk is the best character, their skill allows them to overcome the top mk's to win nationals?

then why the **** should he be banned?

Keyword being the most talented. And rules in place to limit MK.

We've PROVEN that MK is very close to unbeatable if we don't install a subjective, indiscreet rule to limit his broken ***.

In addition, you're thinking of the very top. We in the statistics department like to define around the top 0.00004% as "outliers". This would be including people like Reflex, who win tournaments with ****ty low tiers, Ally, who wins against decent MKs with CAPTAIN FALCON, DLA, who beat Ally's MK, etc. Are you going to say that CF is high tier because an incredibly good CF can beat a decent MK? Then don't say that MK isn't broken because the very top of the game can beat him. Refer to Flayl's data about how 6 people have beaten any top MK (there are about 15 of them) at more than one occasion.

If you're going to pull out an argument about how the only thing that should matter is the absolutely highest level, then **** off. If MK could plank the whole round, he would win at the highest level of play. EVERY TIME. Like, entire top 8.

 

[etecoon]

I like how ever since DMG made that thread pro ban has suddenly decided it's prudent to pretend that we haven't banned planking since like, forever, in some desperate attempt to make MK look way more borked than he actually is, most people would've told you that it can't realistically be beaten like a year ago

 

[TeeVee]

k.

ignore top level and focus on mid-level competition. nice.


your argument so far: "WHO CARES IF MK ISN'T WINNING THE TOURNAMENTS WITH ALL THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE COUNTRY. BEST PLAYERS = OUTLIERS...LET'S FOCUS ON THE PLAYERS WHO AREN'T AT THE TOP OF THE METAGAME"

my response: lololololol

 

[ANTi_]

Why ban Meta Knight y'all aren't going to win anyway ROFLROFL.

I'll use Snake and ****.

Dojo would use Diddy and ****.

etc, come on dawgies.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

k.

ignore top level and focus on mid-level competition. nice.


your argument so far: "WHO CARES IF MK ISN'T WINNING THE TOURNAMENTS WITH ALL THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE COUNTRY. BEST PLAYERS = OUTLIERS...LET'S FOCUS ON THE PLAYERS WHO AREN'T AT THE TOP OF THE METAGAME"

my response: lololololol

Let's focus on the level that most smashers can realistically reach. Need I refer you back to Crow's charts? There's a reason we call the top player for each MK, Snake, and Diddy outliers. If they weren't THAT FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND EVERYONE ELSE we wouldn't.

Or:

Ally beat some famous Diddy/MK player with CF. CF for B tier.

Additionally, the LGL is still an irritatingly indiscreet rule whose sole purpose is LIMITING METAKNIGHT. Why? Because he automatically wins without it.

EDIT: @ ANTI: well good to know. You'll be winning without abusing the advantage MK gives you.