Not true actually. M2K says MK is the most fun character to play, and Im sure most of the top MK mains would agree...
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Official Metaknight Discussion
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GwJ
Smash Hero
I think Captain Falcon is the most fun character to play.
But still, this conversation is irrelevant to the topic.
But still, this conversation is irrelevant to the topic.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Nah, MK and Samus are tied at most fun to play as.
Though Samus would be aggravating to play as in a competitive setting. :/
Hey guys, do you all think MK still deserves to be in his own tier if there was a ledge grab limit, scrooging, and planking were banned?
Though Samus would be aggravating to play as in a competitive setting. :/
Hey guys, do you all think MK still deserves to be in his own tier if there was a ledge grab limit, scrooging, and planking were banned?
Justblaze647
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If you're having fun, or trying to have fun, and you opponent doesn't care about your fun and is crushing you, is it fun anymore?
clearly, justblaze doesn't think so.
clearly, justblaze doesn't think so.
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Samus is hella fun, but sucks balls.
Considering all the results we have now are basically from tournaments with rules set in place to prevent said tactics, yes.
All you people out there who like falcon, be jealous:
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(Ultimate Falcon Championship Doubles)
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Captain Falcon Only.
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That's right. GOLDEN FALCONS.
LIVE STREAM:
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^Falcon UFC doubles starts at 9 p.m.
Yeahyuhzz.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Falcon + Ganon doubles are much more fun.
However, I am jealous nonetheless lol
However, I am jealous nonetheless lol
I was about to say "If you replace 'Sheik' with 'Kirby' that is exactly how I've felt for many many months now" but:
Kith beat me to it.
edit: and now that I read RH's post again, I saw "Sheik has no kills setups on MK outside grab release"
Kirby has NO kill setups on MK. LOL
In my honest opinion, Kirby has no "absolute unwinnable matchups" so he fits my definition of a "good/decent" character, but if you really look at it he can't do **** against MK, and no other character puts him in the same situation. If MK loses to Kirby, it's the player, not the character. That's all there is to it.
:\ MK
Planking is "beatable" in the sense that human error exists.
That. And even if it WAS beatable:
The word "unviable" is a good one to use here, since the smash community likes to use it so much.
Basically, if the MK is planking you, and you go to do something about it, with most characters you are taking a HUGE risk while MK is playing "low risk high reward" like he usually is.
I just watched that whole thing.
Now watch 8 minutes of that and imagine planking instead.
/justsaying
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Probably because fun is subjective.
AND EVERYTHING THAT LEAVES M2KS MOUTH MUST BE TRUTH AMIRITE?
Most people enjoy winning more than losing.
So can we ban MK soon? :3
*pronounced "reed" since I looked back and it could be misinterpreted
It's kinda weird how this thread has died down recently, when it was so active before. The new tier list thread has been active, but I would imagine MK taking his own spot would provoke even more discussion in this one.
Just read* that... can anyone seriously tell me that the anti-ban argument is more convincing? @_@
*pronounced "reed" since I looked back and it could be misinterpreted
It's kinda weird how this thread has died down recently, when it was so active before. The new tier list thread has been active, but I would imagine MK taking his own spot would provoke even more discussion in this one.
No. And it doesn't really hold up since MK is getting better and planking is still an issue. But its harder to change something than to do nothing.
Anyways I suggested this earlier but it got lost in the shuffle so maybe now that the topic is slowing down I'll try again.
I think the best way to measure MK's effect on the community might be a survey. At tournaments a survey could be issued to ask various questions relating to MK and his impact on the community. Something like this perhaps.
1. How often do you attend tournaments?
( ) Less than once a month ( )Monthly ( )Bi Weekly ( ) Weekly
2. Has your tournament attendance increased or decreased over the last 6 months?
( )Increased greatly ( ) Increased ( ) Stayed the same ( ) Decreased ( ) Decreased greatly
3. What reasons have contributed towards your increase or decrease in tournament attendance? (if there has been a change)
____________
4. What character (s) do you primarily use in singles tournament play?
5. If MK were banned how would this impact your tournament attendance?
( ) I would be less likely to attend tournaments ( ) I would be more likely.... ( ) I would be equally likely... ( )I would be much more likely... ( ) I would be much less likely... ( ) I would quit tournament play
And so on so forth. I think trying to coordinate something like this with TOs would be a good way to gather data that can't be gained through results alone.
Delvro
Smash Ace
I've actually been doing this for players in Kentucky. The problem is that if you only survey people who currently go to tournaments and thus get a biased sample (even so, it may be useful).
I personally know quite a few people that hate metaknight and quit the game long, long ago because of him. Too bad these kind of people are difficult to find and survey. =[
theunabletable
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Just thought I'd pop in here and say...
Larry took M2K to game 3 last stock super duper close and almost won (barely lost), then Ally beats M2K 3-1 and M2K gets third...
BAN META KNIGHT, OBV
Larry took M2K to game 3 last stock super duper close and almost won (barely lost), then Ally beats M2K 3-1 and M2K gets third...
BAN META KNIGHT, OBV
'V'
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lol no....
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It's inconceivable that some players can beat others.
theunabletable
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I was joking. But I probably should've made it more clear 
Turbo Ether
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After watching the top MK struggle against/barely beat the top non-MKs yesterday at VC7, I can't support a ban at the moment.
Are we talking about ADHD/Ally/DEHF or other top players? Because if it's those 3 it's nothing new...
That's the point.
Code Lyon
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One tourney outta how many that MK has dominated?
It's fine that some one else took #1 but that's one outta of million (overdoing it)
It's fine that some one else took #1 but that's one outta of million (overdoing it)
Masmasher@
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who cares about the overexaggerated statistic of "millions of tournaments" that meta knight has dominated if they are small subpar scrub touneys
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Yeah, i'm talking about those three. They really do an amazing job at showing what their characters can do to effectively combat MK's tools.
And yeah, you can call it "just" one tournament, but it's recent "top-of-the-metagame" tournament.
The matches are too close and come down to outskilling the other guy.
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
I thought BR's ruleset had nothing against planking?
Thus the development of his own tier where the halberd uses the claw to knock people into the laser to stun everyone so the combo cannon can shoot and then finish the combo. Halberd should a banned character.
Lol but anyways with the offical ruleset letting MK run free adds to our pro-ban side.
EDIT:
@Turbo: I understand that it's most recent but it would make more since if it was like the 50 national tourney in a row that MK was De-throned it would make a lot more sense.
@Masmasher@: Your agruement has been brought up and disproven already in this thread. Continue?
Master Raven
Smash Master
Without those rules, he's clearly bannable.
XtricksterX
Smash Cadet
very true people who use mk rather win than lose
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
Also Ether this MK rule effects the community and everyone is not top-of-metagame. So using outliers or the minority over the majority would is not smart as in the sense of people every top of the metagame people here are 1:100
oh, I see now.
Masmasher@
Smash Lord
its called competing to be the best.
if meta knight can be proven to not be broken or overcentralizing at the top of the metagame then this ban argument is moot and should be stopped.
Ok, go ahead and make your case...
Code Lyon
Smash Journeyman
Ok answer this or give an estimate.
How many times has a MK won a top-of-the-metagame tourney compare to other characters?
Lol can some one please this guy crow's chart of MK compare to other people so I don't to keep going on with this?
EDIT: Mariob that guy listen to him.
Is over centralization not worthy of a ban?
The results of this tourney made me reconsider my position, but because of Pound 4 results alone (Over 50% of matches were MK v. X) we shouldn't draw any conclusions on this tournament alone and should look at the overall trend.
Code Lyon
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His centralization damages the metagame/community. They go hand in hand to basically.
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