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Official Metaknight Discussion
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So what tiers are supposed to represent the characters that are viable? S, A, and B? If so, we went from 18 viable characters to 12.
humble
Smash Ace
Shush you, C tier is totally viable. :V
Viable as in...if they have MK as a secondary? Seriously though, B tier is hardly viable at a national.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
So... Is Meta Knight banned yet?
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Seriously. Blatant proof that he influences the game itself solely.
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Seriously. Blatant proof that he influences the game itself solely.
humble
Smash Ace
Viable as in...they have a slim chance of maybe winning a regional tourney at best? Whatevs, I'm going back to my ledge.
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
S tier should be banned.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Let's take a look at this tier list.
1. Meta Knight =
Given. Definitely given. The fact that he has his own tier is also not surprising-he's THAT much better than the next best person.
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2. Snake =
Also generally pretty much given. Snake is still the most obvious choice against Metaknight, and still pretty much considered the second-best char.
3. Diddy Kong +2
Who didn't see this coming? Diddy is a very good, often underrated char. He also doesn't do bad against MK. At least until the good MKs figure up the **** matchup.
4. Falco =
No comment; falco is still good.
5. Ice Climbers +6
Remember when the MK boards had this as a 50:50? Good times. No ****ing wonder ICs are going up; 11th place was way too low.
6. Marth +1
This is... surprising. That marth would go up in this metagame...
7. Wario -4
This isn't. Wario is NOT 50:50 with MK; DMG is claiming it's barely even close.
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8. King Dedede -2
Again, no surprise. MK ***** him.
9. Pikachu =
10. Olimar =
11. Lucario +3
No real comment on these 3, I don't know much about them.
12. Mr. Game & Watch -4
Hmm... G&W going down quite a bit. Someone remind me what his worst MU is? This can easily be interpreted as people figuring out ways around a very one-dimensional character, TBH. Still not sure.
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13. Pit +4
14. Toon Link +2
These two are kind of surprising. Well, okay, Pit isn't; he's severely underdeveloped. I don't know enough about them tbh.
15. Zero Suit Samus =
16. Kirby -3
No comment on these 2.
17. R.O.B. -5
I predict ROB in D tier before this is over.
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18. Donkey Kong =
Still not viable.
Sadface.
19. Peach =
Still barely viable.
20. Fox +1
21. Luigi -1
Lies. Lies and slander.
Anything below there really doesn't merit commentary.
1. Meta Knight =
Given. Definitely given. The fact that he has his own tier is also not surprising-he's THAT much better than the next best person.
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2. Snake =
Also generally pretty much given. Snake is still the most obvious choice against Metaknight, and still pretty much considered the second-best char.
3. Diddy Kong +2
Who didn't see this coming? Diddy is a very good, often underrated char. He also doesn't do bad against MK. At least until the good MKs figure up the **** matchup.
4. Falco =
No comment; falco is still good.
5. Ice Climbers +6
Remember when the MK boards had this as a 50:50? Good times. No ****ing wonder ICs are going up; 11th place was way too low.
6. Marth +1
This is... surprising. That marth would go up in this metagame...
7. Wario -4
This isn't. Wario is NOT 50:50 with MK; DMG is claiming it's barely even close.
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8. King Dedede -2
Again, no surprise. MK ***** him.
9. Pikachu =
10. Olimar =
11. Lucario +3
No real comment on these 3, I don't know much about them.
12. Mr. Game & Watch -4
Hmm... G&W going down quite a bit. Someone remind me what his worst MU is? This can easily be interpreted as people figuring out ways around a very one-dimensional character, TBH. Still not sure.
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13. Pit +4
14. Toon Link +2
These two are kind of surprising. Well, okay, Pit isn't; he's severely underdeveloped. I don't know enough about them tbh.
15. Zero Suit Samus =
16. Kirby -3
No comment on these 2.
17. R.O.B. -5
I predict ROB in D tier before this is over.
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18. Donkey Kong =
Still not viable.
Sadface.19. Peach =
Still barely viable.
20. Fox +1
21. Luigi -1
Lies. Lies and slander.
Anything below there really doesn't merit commentary.
We need to play again I got way better at the match up now. Playing you would be a good test to se just how far I've progressed.
Sheik is fast enough to punish all those little hard to reach openings MK has on reaction every time. And now that I have my kill set ups much more cemented I'm not even worried about that aspect either. And I'm not even talking just Grab release non-sense.
Lol no. It's not humanly possible to be as to punish all these "in theory things". You're relying on theory craft to say "well this matchup could be possible".
Sheik has no kills setups on MK outside grab release, MK doesnt have to approach once he gets ahead and he doesnt have to touch the ground either. It honestly doesn't matter how much damage you can do because MK can live up to 180% every stock and MK can kill Sheik at half of that. MK only dies if he mispaces something or makes a mistake.
What you're thinking is "outplaying someone significantly", but if you think about it, all of the hits you land are misreads by MK. If a MK and Sheik player are of equal skill the MK player will win every time on every stage by a safe margin.
It's so sad that you can replace the word "Shiek" in this post with well over half of the cast of characters in brawl, and the argument would still be valid...
It's something I've just gotta show rather than say.
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edit:useless post
choknater
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i know <3 got this.
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I would plank for 8 minutes if I had the huge advantage MK had.
demonictoonlink
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That would be useless.
You wouldn't have the lead and it would just be a draw. That + some characters (like Tink) could definitely hit you a few times by throwing something. Doesn't make sense.
You wouldn't have the lead and it would just be a draw. That + some characters (like Tink) could definitely hit you a few times by throwing something. Doesn't make sense.
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clearly the opponent would try to approach your planking, only to take damage and thus lose as the opponent gets planked for 8 minutes.
as far as characters throwing stuff, timing your invincibility frames and/or scrooging can solve that problem.
as far as characters throwing stuff, timing your invincibility frames and/or scrooging can solve that problem.
You're trying to argue against an 'unbeatable tactic', when planking isn't unbeatable. No one said it is, they're just pointing out it's an 'optimal' tactic. So, as you can see, it doesn't matter if some characters can beat planking, because it still is one of the best strategies around.
Actually I've looked really closely at frame data concerning Ledge play, and for a large portion of the cast, it actually technically framewise is unbeatable. I'm gonna make a huge thread covering it soon once I make sure all the data is correct, and once I have the numbers right.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
*raises hand*
I'd gladly plank for 8 minutes.
I'd gladly plank for 8 minutes.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
I will plank you for 8 minutes.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Ive planked for 8 minutes. I do it all the time >_>. I almost never feel bad doing it. More like lul I just planked u.
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I would, if I wasn't MK.
You have no soul.
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I don't play anyone who can plank nor do I have any want to do it.
Pit planking if fun until they just poke me and I fall to my death.
Pit planking if fun until they just poke me and I fall to my death.
LOL so true.
Lol thats my point. That would be you severely outplaying me by a huge margin if you were to win, not because Sheik ***** MK. And based on the level I consistently play at, it would just mean I suck with MK and not that anything you do is actually legit.
Epic namesearch. Plank2gud.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Unfortunately, I play marth, and marth's planking is absolutely horrible, so it's pretty pointless for me to plank. Rest assured, if I was an MK main you'd all be feeling the wrath of my planking.
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
oh god, the planking DX
like slowly getting you face slapped by a spoon then all the sudden, A KNIFE TO THE FACE YAAARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!, then back to getting slapped by a spoon.
like slowly getting you face slapped by a spoon then all the sudden, A KNIFE TO THE FACE YAAARRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!, then back to getting slapped by a spoon.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I've timed people out with Falco, I'd happily do it with MK if it proves a point. Too bad I suck at planking consistently D:
GwJ
Smash Hero
Anyone who wouldn't plank for 8 minutes doesn't want to win the game or isn't willing to use the best tactic to win the game sometimes.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
GwJ
Smash Hero
I never thought I'd see someone bring up fun in this thread. No one seems to care about that when talking about MK.
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