Nice to know some people agree with me on this, if somebody is dumb enough to pick master hand, their problem. Nice and succinct. They'll never win a set with master hand.
Even on pokefloats, the lasers are predictable enough that I doubt we'll see him winning with them.
@brodumb-seriously-just because master hand is beatable by camping for 8 minutes, doesnt mean its legit to choose him at all. You CANNOT KILL HIM. I think thats considered broken.Whether or not he is easy to beat is irrellevant. Do you kno how much other gaming communities would laugh if they thought ppl were seriously considering master hand as a tournament legal character.
Not being able to lose a stock is an unfair advantage. Each player can win the match by time out or stocks. Master hand can only be beaten one of those ways.
I cant see how you can think like this. and if any rules must be changed for MH then thats enough to say **** em. Im ok with camping for 8 minutes. but thats because of my inability to kill my opponent. MH is unable to be killed. Its a 1 way street. He can kill me but I cant kill him.
Your an idiot if you dont agree with me lol.
You see, I would agree if he weren't a completely pathetic character, if he actually had a legitimate shot of getting 4 stocks against anyone with any skill, I'd say inability to lose a stock is an unfair advantage, but under the current rules, he loses every MU 0-100, he's at such an unfair disadvantage I see no reason to withhold this unfair advantage.
As far as other communities, honestly I don't think so, most other fighting communities are a lot more hesitant to ban then we are, and tend to follow Sirlin's criteria to the letter. Most think we're ban-happy, and they'd actually be more likely to think that we're stupid for banning him, personally I'm an SRK regular (I recently got into SF4 as a Sagat) and an occasional on Sirlin's forum, so I'll bring it up on Sirlin's forum, see what the consensus is there.
So it's not significant that you can't do a ditto with this "character?" The fact that you can't double blind pick a ditto with him is important. Indeed, double blind is a staple of the Melee ruleset, and the freedom to select characters, regardless of whether it's a ditto, should exist invariably in any competitive fighter.
Also, the fact that he LITERALLY CANNOT lose a stock changes the game too drastically, not unlike some banned stages. Hyrule Temple is banned because, if it were allowed, the game would devolve into a Fox laserfest (or, if not that, people playing very sub-optimally). Just like if someone is forced to play against...Master Hand.
The ditto is probably the most legitimate argument from the theoretical standpoint. Still, I don't think it's quite enough.
The fact that he can't lose a stock, I would say that it did, if our rules didn't already cover it, he loses by percent.
As for Hyrule, it's banned because of circle-camping, I laser you once then run away for 7/8 minutes and I win, nothing you can do.