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No. DK is mid or high tier. Too easy to **** with certain characters. DEFINETLY not top.I find that DK is always a very good top tier character. Like, in Melee, DK was awesome for taking out Fox. And now, he's pretty good vs. MK and Snake... I think he deserves his own tier!!!
What about Olimar is debatable? I'm just wondering. Sure, he doesn't have the tourney placings to prove his worth, but I think he's within your "sacred seven" in high tier about where rob is. He's just as good, but not nearly as popular or easy to use.[ ] = debatable
Upper Mid: Wario [Lucario, Donkey] [Olimar, Pikachu, Diddy, Toon Link, Zelda/Shiek] Pit
Wario is down here because I think the release grab is too much of a problem. I put Zelda/Shiek as one character because using half a character isn't the smartest thing (unless you don't like getting hit while transforming)
I wasn't confident about some of the characters I assigned to that tier, so I placed the characters in the positions I believed they should be in and put the [ ]'s where, say, a diddy mainer, could argue that diddy is above pika.What about Olimar is debatable? I'm just wondering. Sure, he doesn't have the tourney placings to prove his worth, but I think he's within your "sacred seven" in high tier about where rob is. He's just as good, but not nearly as popular or easy to use.
LOL LOL LOL, Try playing him in about 100 matches than say that. He is way easier to play at high levels than any other character. Like, comparing him and Snake would be a joke, Metaknight has maybe... 3 moves that are... even slightly challenging to use? Like, once you begin gliding right, being able to turn around the shuttle loop, and learn to not use his down B, you are pretty much set. Everything else is just basic. Use dmg moves until dsmash and GG. I am not saying I could beat anyone with MK, but if we had to compare the amount of matches it took me to get at the competitive level with him, I bet you it will be way less than most characters. I mean, Sheik requires that you turn into Zelda every once in a while, and you have to learn some wacky tilt comboes, spacing, etc. The transition from Melee to Brawl is probably harder than just picking up Metaknight. Sheik got so nerfed...MK is not that easy to use. In fact he's a bit tricky. Personally I think Sheik is easier to use.
Ganondorf for top tier.If you disagree, I'd be glad to hear your reasoning
Not to mention...Ganondorf for top tier.
-Super Lightning Spikes
-Sparta Kick
-Stylish Good Looks
-Electro-Hump Up-B
You use irony, and say that Sonic is bottom tier. That's funny.What is exactly? I fail to see the humor.
No, but almost.Can't see how its funny considering that Sonic isn't bottom tier. =/
I honestly had less respect for sonic than you do now before I played a good one. Now i'm quite certain that they're at low mid. Seriously go play oneNo, but almost.
It's easier for a mouse to kill an elephant than for Sonic to kill Snake.
No, no, no.I honestly had less respect for sonic than you do now before I played a good one. Now i'm quite certain that they're at low mid. Seriously go play one
Which is why he is beating Luigi and yoshi in terms of tournament ranking right?No, but almost.
It's easier for a mouse to kill an elephant than for Sonic to kill Snake.
Assumptions make you look like an ***. Don't make them please.Ok, listen. You were being ironic, and while you were being ironic, you said that Sonic was bottom tier, and I assumed that you, therefore, thinks Sonic is top tier.
Sonic is not top tier. I hope you admit it.
You'd be like everyone else who makes wild assumptions because they play one **** Sonic who can't do anything.Sonic isn't top tier because his attacks are weak. That's all.
But who am I to criticize your main?
U R SOI WRUNG! SNOIC IS TP TIER! HE CNT B HT AND HE IZ RLY RLY FST! EVRY1 IZ 2 SLW!Sonic isn't top tier because his attacks are weak. That's all.
But who am I to criticize your main?
tournament ranking? Not recently. If you include tourneys from March then yes but things have changed over the months. And tourneys mean very little right now.Which is why he is beating Luigi and yoshi in terms of tournament ranking right?
Its easier to remain ignorant than to open your eyes to truth.
Bottom tier he is far from it.
let alone that ONE matchup does not dictate how good a character is. Last I saw , yoshi and Luigi didn't fare very well against Snake either. I guess they must be bottom tier as well under your argument yes?
in anycase bottom tier he isn't. he performs far too well to be with Falcon and ganondonrf, and his tournament rankings agree that he isn't among the top ten worst.
Tiers are stupid. Everybody decides for themselves who is best.
loooooolllSonic isn't top tier because his attacks are weak. That's all.
Yoshi actually does pretty decent. But yeah, Luigi doesn't because once he's launched in the air snake can just walk under him for more Utilts, stupid no aerial speed Luigi.Last I saw , yoshi and Luigi didn't fare very well against Snake either. I guess they must be bottom tier as well under your argument yes?
Tourneys mean alot right now. If it were that brawl was completely and utterly different like from 64 to melee I would agree, however considering Sonic is one of the many severely underplayed characters for Sonic to be 21 when there are characters who are supposed to be better than him doing worse means he does have potential.tournament ranking? Not recently. If you include tourneys from March then yes but things have changed over the months. And tourneys mean very little right now.
I have to disagree. Snake still has an advantge because his moves are similar to marth. When Sonic approaches its somewhat risky and if he fails he is forced to start over from the beginning.Sonic does well against Snake. It's actually a good match up.
So do Yoshi and Luigi! Luigi is one of the best for taking out a Snake.[/quote
Luigi?
No. he has no approach method for Snake and each character that has been capable of harassing snake were either capable of camping snake (olimar) or approaching him very well (Falco).
Luigi has neither.
We agree then.Sonic isn't bottom, he's just not that bad or good.
Shy Guy: Pikachu is a candidat for top, so is Toon Link. They both could potentially join Snake and MK in the future. That's how good they are. 30 good players use Snake and get 1st everywhere, 1 good player uses Pika and 1 good player uses Tlink and those 2 beat those 30 Snakes. [/quote[
maybe tis cause those 30 snakes never faced TL and Pikachu. Its not like the pikachu user and TL user ran into that many Snakes in their matchups. let alone the fac tthat most snakes are not very good.
They aren't candidates for top because if you look at MK and Snake, they dont have the tournament ranking nor the gameplay for top tier. they are probably high tier though.
You use irony, and say that Sonic is bottom tier. That's funny.
SARCASM, not irony. nao. u funylulz. You piss me off.Ok, listen. You were being ironic, and while you were being ironic, you said that Sonic was bottom tier, and I assumed that you, therefore, thinks Sonic is top tier.
Sonic is not top tier. I hope you admit it.
tournament ranking? Not recently. If you include tourneys from March then yes but things have changed over the months. And tourneys mean very little right now.
This was done in Houston, Tx, At planet zero. Entry fee was 10$. July 26th 2008
1: T-rex (Snake)
2: Dr Mario Kart (metaknight)
3: Mr.3000 (sonic)
well i got 2nd out of 20 @ Metal awesome 5!
haha july 26th
edit:http://www.allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=1727
I went to this tournament yesterday, took 4th out of 14. Used Sonic the entire time.
Beat a Lucario, lost to a G&W, beat another Sonic, beat a wario/MK user, beat a MK user, in three grueling matches lost to BO X7's Mario... best mario I've ever played. The game and watch and mario user who beat me moved on to take 1st and 2nd. MachingunNorm was probably the only well known player there in our area who took 3rd also losing to BO X7's Mario.
While the tournament was small... it was no walk in the park for my Sonic and I used Sonic the whole way through.
Yea, Link's Dtilt spike doesn't seem as useful though, because a lot of the time it seems to hit your opponent up, as opposed to spiking (which is probably because I'm 100 percent not spacing it right).TL's does not spike anymore.
link's does during the later part of the animation