Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Imo taunts just mean that you arent a hardass and like to enjoy yourself while gaming. I dont give a **** whether or not im losing, if Im playing and feel like taunting, I will do so lol.
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Official BBR Tier List v7
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Eddie G
Smash Hero
I think? No, you say "that's enough taunt talk". Be FIRM.
On the subject of Pikachu:
A lot of people claim that ESAM is an outlier and that Pikachu's tournament placings without his achievements aren't actually worth noting. However, the last regional tournament in West Japan was won by a "Pikachu main" named Ganbaranai [Hayase]. He got 1st out of 60ish using all Pikachu except in GF vs 9B whom he beat with MK ... and really, ICs is quite a bad match-up for Pikachu so you can't blame him for going MK against them
And he still beat a bunch of players on his way there [I haven't seen the bracket yet but I know that he beat Earth at the very least] so it's fair to say that there's probably more to the character than some people think - older videos of him beating Selcia's MK with Pikachu convincingly exist on youtube as well!
A lot of people claim that ESAM is an outlier and that Pikachu's tournament placings without his achievements aren't actually worth noting. However, the last regional tournament in West Japan was won by a "Pikachu main" named Ganbaranai [Hayase]. He got 1st out of 60ish using all Pikachu except in GF vs 9B whom he beat with MK ... and really, ICs is quite a bad match-up for Pikachu so you can't blame him for going MK against them
And he still beat a bunch of players on his way there [I haven't seen the bracket yet but I know that he beat Earth at the very least] so it's fair to say that there's probably more to the character than some people think - older videos of him beating Selcia's MK with Pikachu convincingly exist on youtube as well!
I'm kind of surprised a top Lucas main didn't know all about this already.
Personally I used shake smash to break out of grabs.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Why are there pony smileys but no touhou ones
I want to pretend I have something to prove to people too.
Pikachu is bad but he's not as bad as 85.5417% of the roster.
I want to pretend I have something to prove to people too.
Pikachu is bad but he's not as bad as 85.5417% of the roster.
Eddie G
Smash Hero
Pikachu is aaaaaaaactually pretty decent. Just sayin'.
Vinylic.
Woke?
Agreeing with eddie here.
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
and that's what separates the true top tier from the high tier.
Which's why ESAMs dream of Pikachu being Top tier/A-tier cannot be.
Cassio
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Using that argument ICs wouldnt be top tier here, lol. Pika might or might not fit in that general group of characters. Hes certainly seen his fair share of success, but its a hard call to make atm for various reasons so hes left on the border/in limbo. It doesnt really matter too much though.
Neon!
Smash Lord
I cant see DK dropping anymore after this.
Mekos
Smash Master
Yer mistaken. I knew about it. I am amazed at the players ability at doing it.I'm kind of surprised a top Lucas main didn't know all about this already.
Personally I used shake smash to break out of grabs.
I kinda disagree with the whole outlier thing. But I now understand. This tier list is supposed to say "how scared you should be if you meet this character in tourney". With that logic it makes sense. I honestly don't think we should be going by that logic. Who cares if u never meet Esam in tourney I feel Esam's power level with the character should be represented by the tier list.
Because we're better then that, dude!Why are there pony smileys but no touhou ones
YUNq PHR3$H
Smash Journeyman
That IC Spot.<3
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Well now aren't I just red in the face.Because we're better then that, dude!
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The same goes for Luigi.
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
I can see both characters dropping, though it just depends on how well the characters below them preform.
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I really do not care about Luigi,but if he keeps dropping like this,he will be a low tier,and for him,this is just... strange...
And I want to use Lucas at low tiers tournaments
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Ya got me!
Really? John12346 always brags to me that he's the fastest smasher at mashing.
Yes, those are the only taunts that could actually be viewed in certain lights as 'insulting'.
Not disagreeing with you cuz I know you're actually supporting Pika moving up with this post, but I just wanted to point out that a bunch of other chars are also riding on the results of "outliers," so to speak. Diddy rode on Gnes and ADHD. ICs rode on Vinnie and ESAM. ZSS still rides on only Nick Riddle. TL rides on MJG. DK rides on Will. Without those people, a bunch of chars are suddenly left without consistent results at all.
Actually, I can see it. I'm just waiting for the resurgence of D3's as well as a new surge of Olis and ICs that is inspired by this new tier list.
A bad recovery doesn't matter that much when you dominate onstage. I'll use Melee Falco as an analogy of sorts. He's notorious for having one of the shortest, if not the shortest, recoveries in the game. However, his domination onstage more than offset this, and thus, he is the second best in the game. Olimar is very similar. Sure he's gimped and edgehogged rather easily, but getting him offstage at all is quite the chore...
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Nick Riddle was outplaced by TWO ZSSs at Apex (Salem & DRN). Just saiyan
Though to be fair, Salem has only been to like...3 tournaments recently (Concentrate 2, Apex, and some small 8-16-man tourney where he got 2nd losing to vVv Zero)
But DRN does very well in his region, and doesn't travel much AFAIK (which is pretty much where Nick is, and where he has been for a while. DRN is just new)
Well, he's wrong.Really? John12346 always brags to me that he's the fastest smasher at mashing.
I probably would've made a better impression if my thumb weren't bleeding because of that controller's rough buttons.
Eddie G
Smash Hero
Salem would easily take the cake for best if he were more active. His control of the character is phenomenal.
Player-1
Smash Legend
what are you trying to say about my controller, Reflex?
DeLux
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Yawn.I probably would've made a better impression if my thumb weren't bleeding because of that controller's rough buttons.
I used to be impressed by people bleeding from/while mashing. But then I got regular practice with Fino and MJG who have both paid for their stocks in blood time and again
Cassio
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I had the chance to speak to salem once about how he came to be so good with his character with little offline tournament play. Afterwards I realized that its really not surprising how great he is with his character given the amount of time, effort, and dedication hes put into practicing both online and particularly offline on his own in training mode.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Besides, if Pika has only one user who's getting consistently good results with the char, then the money/popularity should be really high for Pika, meaning that he should move up.
It's not about impressing anyone--Player-3's controller was the offender. I've spent many an hour playing against my brother, and the first time I bled was the first time I had to mash on that controller.
Its buttons are not conducive to good, old-fashioned button-mashing.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
What kind of buttons are better for mashing, softer ones, which respond with the slightest press but are also more difficult to confirm, or harder ones, which give a little resistance but also make a nice little 'click' when they're actually pressed?
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Well, don't you press the C-stick in addition to the auxiliary buttons (A, B, X, and Y)?
Player-1
Smash Legend
I think it's just too good for you
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