Official BBR Tier List v7

[Grim Tuesday]

What are you even talking about then?
Nearly every character in every competitive game ever aims to "safely pressure" - why would that be unique to Melee?

Basically, any argument you give for Melee top tiers being one-dimensional will be flat-out wrong - because they definitely aren't.

 

[Ayce God]

I like el's argument....but.....
I just imagine everything grim Is saying is in a sexy Australian accent and I wanna agree with everything the guy says. is it fair? no. but...it feels right.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

My country was settled by convicts - we don't play fair.

Mate.

 

[Ayce God]

^ I like this guy.

 

[Emblem Lord]

What are you even talking about then?
Nearly every character in every competitive game ever aims to "safely pressure" - why would that be unique to Melee?

Basically, any argument you give for Melee top tiers being one-dimensional will be flat-out wrong - because they definitely aren't.

Melee top tiers aren't one dimensional. They have the same goal but go about it slightly differently. Sheik had needle cancels, fox is raw rushdown and shine pressure, falco is laser pressure/control and Marth is close range zoning. But the idea of using their tools to maintain pressure and control in a high speed match is the same.

I guess I feel like in brawl there are more good chars and more diverse play styles on the whole.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Jigglypuff.
Ice Climbers.
Peach.
??????????????????????

Oh and Marth isn't rushdownsuperaggression at all compared to Fox/Falco/Sheik.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Jiggs and peach r def about safe pressure and space control. Not so much rush down though it's possible with peach to a degree thnx to float cancel. Ics r an outlier and their gameplan IMO is very diff from the norm in melee. They only want one thing and if they don't get it they r kinda screwed.

Marths rush down is calculated. It's def not blindingly fast. Very methodical but once he's in his zone it's very suffocating for slot of chars.

 

[Fuujin]

Do Zelda vs Kirby

Zelda vs Kirby

Zelda's gameplan

Hope Kirby runs into her smash attacks.


Kirby's gameplan

Spam a spaced b air because Zelda can't do anything about it.

Same with Ganon pretty much.


inb4 fuujin ur just bad all u do is whine about ur character

 

[Grim Tuesday]

fuujin ur just bad all u do is whine about ur character

EDIT: ****, you ninja'd me.

 

[Fuujin]

and I'm always right.

 

[Coney]

I need convincing on how great DDD is as a character before I'll be convinced all he needs is a good players to make him look better. If that is what you meant by a ddd revolution.

difficult to do that when good ones are so rare

 

[Atomsk_92]

Chill the **** out. I got this.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Every time a d3 main has claimed the matchup is even or in Dedede's favor they lose the matchup

The exception is coney when Nickriddle SD'd offstage in game 3.

idk man

 

[Mr-R]

has a high priority Bair (It's like people forget this key detail), a Cg that puts offstage, and is much lighter by comparison.

Coney was beating Mr. R's consistently in friendlies at Apex 2012 if that means anything. Ramin told me he'd go a different character in tourney (, , or )

No he wasn't joe wtf? we did one friendly best of 3 and he won 2-1 last hit last stock, I didn't play him anymore after that

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Every time a d3 main has claimed the matchup is even or in Dedede's favor they lose the matchup

The exception is coney when Nickriddle SD'd offstage in game 3.

idk man

And when Akuma beat quik with DDD
And when Atomsk only lost to Salem after switching to Falco
And when Coney went last hit with NR anyway [regardless of SD, mind you]

And when no ZSS ever beat a competent DDD since the MLG days.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

And when Akuma beat quik with DDD
And when Atomsk only lost to Salem after switching to Falco
And when Coney went last hit with NR anyway [regardless of SD, mind you]

And when no ZSS ever beat a competent DDD since the MLG days.

OK NONE OF THIS MATTERS I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TALK aBOUT. PS I was wrong if it makes you feel better.

OK. OK.

You know ZSS' fsmash? OK well #1 AT OF ALL TIME. Here's ZSS' fsmash in hitbox magic:

http://imgur.com/DXiet

OK well the whip hitbox closest to her, the big one under the two on her body does 13% (in training mode, my hitbox data says it does 12 though) and kills mad early. But the top one always hits first, so this sweetspot doesn't work right. Until now.

Here's how you do it: HIT A SQUATTING KIRBY. Discovery of the century.

Kirby I'm coming for you. LOOK OUT.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

How early is mad early? ZSS might have a new tool to work against Squirtle...

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

How early is mad early? ZSS might have a new tool to work against Squirtle...

Well it has better BKB than bair (21 to 24) and deals 2% more damage (which I believe increases KB). So it's whatever fresh bair kill % minus some of that. Fresh bair kills at... 120? I think.

"Mad early" is relative to fsmash anyway, which usually doesn't kill until 200% or something.

You might also be able to charge it for a second after 1 dsmash but 2 dsmash -> aerial will almost always kill earlier than fsmash. Fsmash is still bad.

 

[RaptorTEC]

For those saying just shield ZSS's nonsense, what should I do with Yoshi?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Use Meta Knight.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Shouldn't we all be doing that anyway? Also yeah I'm a bad boy. Didn't do the wolf match yet. I'll get to it later.

 

[Atomsk_92]

For those saying just shield ZSS's nonsense, what should I do with Yoshi?

Your character is already far more annoying then anything not ICs in this game. Just egg her.

 

[Luigi player]

How is Yoshi more annoying than Olimar, Diddy or Falco? o_o

 

[Delta-cod]

Because we're annoying from the ledge.

As a Yoshi main, I find Falco, Olimar, and ICs to be the only other lame characters in the game.

 

[Lord Chair]

he pummels you for 0%

 

[Sol9000]

he pummels you for 0%

a fitting avi to what you said

 

[Atomsk_92]

Everyone that picks Yoshi to play competitively in this game never played with the other kids outside at recess and doesn't know what the meaning of fun is.

 

[infiniteV115]

^
You play DEDEDE

 

[Sinister Slush]

You actually described my Smash 64 days pretty well.
Instead of recess, I just played S64 against CPU's until recess was over and I went back to beating 2v1 or 1v1. (best team at my old daycare was double kirby)

 

[Atomsk_92]

-Approach you with the most obvious approach in the game
-Have you complain about it
Compared to
-Throw eggs at you
-Pivot grab
-Go to the ledge and throw eggs
-Get off the ledge
-Repeat


Also I played 4 Square.

 

[Delta-cod]

Kickball >>>>>>>>>>> 4Square

 

[infiniteV115]

Dedede is the most boring character in the game lol.

At least when you're fighting Yoshi, if you get behind his shield you can pretty much just mash your controller cause whatever you hit his shield with he's not gonna be able to punish it. That's funny at the very least.

 

[Atomsk_92]

DDD really isn't honestly. Yoshi is by far the most boring.

 

[infiniteV115]

But Yoshi makes all those silly sound effects and he's all squishy and stuff...when DDD does anything you want to kick him in the crotch and throw his wife into the lion cage at the zoo

 

[RaptorTEC]

Boring to play against or as? I find him really fun xD

 

[Jimmyfosho]

Kirby is the most boring character in the game.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Dodgeball >> 4square >>>>> Other.

 

[Exceladon City]

Dedede is pretty fun actually. Maybe it's because I'm an active Dedede, as opposed to the really campy ones.

 

[Seagull Joe]

sucks. Pick and GG.

 

[Delta-cod]

Do people really find ICs not the most boring character?

You just sit there and watch people get grabbed to death. >_>

Seagull missing the point again. =/