Official BBR Tier List v6

[Fuujin]

I think Sonic is fine where he is. Perhaps maybe Ike and/or Sheilda will pass him. And maybe Kirby will fall below him. I don't see any other characters moving above/below him.

X was too scared to play me in SoCal so I have come to the conclusion that Sonic is free.

 

[infiniteV115]

So can we put Dedede in mid tier now?

 

[BSP]

X was too scared to play me in SoCal so I have come to the conclusion that Sonic is free.

This is why 08 combos still work

 

[Orion*]

..........

Sooooooo... how bout dem Sonics?

i'm not even mad tho

 

[Chuee]

X was too scared to play me in SoCal so I have come to the conclusion that Sonic is free.

Fsmash beats Spindash.
I'd be scared if I were X too.

 

[Fuujin]

Fsmash beats Spindash.
I'd be scared if I were X too.

Dat 3% damage can't kill swag.

It also beats nado.

 

[Linkshot]

Just got home.

I think ASC as a whole is really unexplored in the MU

I make Swordgard cry by trapping Nana in that.

 

[phi1ny3]

haha, yeah, it has a deceptive amount of frame advantage (basically combos into dair/nair and whatnot). I saw Ken in Japan use it (not Melee Ken) and I thought it had some good application in the MU, it sounds like the kind of thing that annoys Nana lol

 

[Linkshot]

Basically since she's an AI, her goals are either:

A) Get back to Popo
B) DI into you all day every day

 

[Doc King]

he must be a ****ty king if he loses to knights all the time.

Yeah, a Godly knight that ***** the whole game to its content.

Checkmate.
He also gets his *** kicked by eskimos, rats, ******* and birds.

And lol @
"Dedede is such a turd"
"D3 is a King."
"he must be a ****ty king"

He whoops a strong and fat man that goes on a bad *** bike and a martial artist Pokemon.

So can we put Dedede in mid tier now?

We can't he's too good for mid tier.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

He whoops...a martial artist Pokemon.

Just not the large fire lizard.

It's an extremely boring matchup for both sides, though. Flamethrower and certain aerials both stop anything Dedede can do, and Dedede's grab range and B-Air both stop anything Charizard can do.

 

[Hippieslayer]

So can we put Dedede in mid tier now?

lol **** no. Seriosly DDD is not mid tier.

 

[Doc King]

Just not the large fire lizard.

It's an extremely boring matchup for both sides, though. Flamethrower and certain aerials both stop anything Dedede can do, and Dedede's grab range and B-Air both stop anything Charizard can do.

I was talking about Lucario.

D3 vs. Charizard is basically an auto win. The fire is good, but D3 can just punish it with a waddle dee throw. and his bair can **** him in the air. D3 also has many chain grab infinites on Charizard, followups, punishes, etc. Charizard is like D3's punching bag.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

... he was obviously referring to lucario bro....

also if that's tru then does that mean it starts off even and then gets worse as he fatigues

@orion

i used to go to the odd tourney in norcal and go to fests, but i didn't get truly competitive until february when i moved out here this year. so im still not to savy on allllll the top players, but i could've sworn you were a player in europe.

i mean i could swear i've seen you play mr.r and ****

@doc king

you invalidated all of that by saying "punish with waddle throw"

 

[-LzR-]

Doc King usually seems to forget their opponents have the ability to move around and perform moves.

 

[Hippieslayer]

**** d waddle throw, use walk up and f-tilt

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I forgot about Lucario. I have to remember that Squirtle is a ninja, rather than a martial artist.

The only thing that Dedede can reliably land through intelligent Flamethrower use is a Gordo (and that would still require a read, since short bursts are all Charizard needs). F-Tilt is canceled by Flamethrower and often puts Dedede's hand in a position to get hurt for a bit. While it's not as universally useful, Dedede must worry about Charizard's grab range, too.

Doc King, you are wrong.

 

[Doc King]

Doc King usually seems to forget their opponents have the ability to move around and perform moves.

You seem to forget that D3 has the ability to move around and perform moves.

I forgot about Lucario. I have to remember that Squirtle is a ninja, rather than a martial artist.

The only thing that Dedede can reliably land through intelligent Flamethrower use is a Gordo (and that would still require a read, since short bursts are all Charizard needs). F-Tilt is canceled by Flamethrower and often puts Dedede's hand in a position to get hurt for a bit. While it's not as universally useful, Dedede must worry about Charizard's grab range, too.

Doc King, you are wrong.

Well you can still punish it by like jumping and pulling a dair or a nair on Charizard or something. One grab can lead to a kill or at like a really high percent.

What you're saying is like D3 doesn't whoop DK because he spaces well. Spacing is good, but if D3 can perform deadly techniques on the opponent, then he can whoop that opponent regardless of his range. Also D3 has a good f tilt spacing move (I read that flame throwers punishes that, I'm just saying his f tilt is good at spacing in general).

 

[Smooth Criminal]

...and you're still forgetting that other characters can perform "deadly techniques" as well. Hell, some of those characters can do 'em better than DDD.

("Deadly techniques?" Wtf?)

Smooth Criminal

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Squirtle is annoying, pretty close with Lucario, Luc still wins by a little, range and getting a kill are kinda hard.

Ivysaur has problems, just due to priority and some limitations on moves.

Charizard is kinda like King DDD without the CG, large grab is great to punish Luc with, Rock Smash can stuff out whiffed moves and kill. Problem is he get tossed around a lot and it's a lot safer to approach him than approaching D3.

 

[Doc King]

...and you're still forgetting that other characters can perform "deadly techniques" as well. Hell, some of those characters can do 'em better than DDD.

("Deadly techniques?" Wtf?)

Smooth Criminal

Well, I know Zero Suit can combo and chain grab D3 really good. Falco is the same thing but with chain grabbing. Ice Climbers can chain grab the crap outta D3. Pika can chain grab D3 a lot. Pit can chain grab D3.

Charizard can space well with flame thrower and some of his air attacks, but D3's chaingrabs, infinites, and bair are major threats to Chariazrd. Making the matchup very bad for Charizard.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

which infinite does DDD have on charizard?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtUo7jOGGU#t=2m15s

 

[Doc King]

which infinite does DDD have on charizard?

There's a lot of Dash Dance Pivot Grab (Dash Dance Pivot Grab is a easier and different form of the extremely hard buffered pivot infinite) infinites that can be performed on Charizard.

1. Downward slopes

2. Ledges

3. Upward slopes

4. Halberd edge

These happen because Charizard is so big, fat, and heavy. More stuff about it can be found here. http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=176686

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtUo7jOGGU#t=2m15s

Also the Buffered Pivot infinite.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Strike Yoshi's Island (PT can't reliably Zero Switch there anyway), don't get grabbed at a very specific part of Halberd, and they're a non-issue.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

okay doc king shut up. nobody gives a **** about slope infinites because there is no one dumb enough to get stuck in one. we all know you sat down and actually studied your character and found one thing that could matter if it was at all practical in any way. DDD has no infinite THAT MATTERS on charizard then i take it therefore you're point is moot.

none of the people who discover crap like this promote it anywhere near as much as you do. you just want popularity. hell if i wanted to i could try to promote all of my discoveries with pit (DACG extended cg, footstool cancel>almost all of pit's moves on anyone his height or shorter, reverse skid cancel although luckay found out skid cancelling, and other small stuff) and claim that they revolutionize all of pit's MUs and make him better in all of his MUs and how this that and the other but we don't, because we know that other people actually know how to play this game and avoid stupid ****.

*xyro quote*

 

[C.J.]

okay doc king shut up. nobody gives a **** about slope infinites because there is no one dumb enough to get stuck in one. we all know you sat down and actually studied your character and found one thing that could matter if it was at all practical in any way. DDD has no infinite THAT MATTERS on charizard then i take it therefore you're point is moot.

none of the people who discover crap like this promote it anywhere near as much as you do. you just want popularity. hell if i wanted to i could try to promote all of my discoveries with pit (DACG extended cg, footstool cancel>almost all of pit's moves on anyone his height or shorter, reverse skid cancel although luckay found out skid cancelling, and other small stuff) and claim that they revolutionize all of pit's MUs and make him better in all of his MUs and how this that and the other but we don't, because we know that other people actually know how to play this game and avoid stupid ****.

*xyro quote*

 

[vVv Rapture]

What is Doc King even arguing at this point?

 

[Z'zgashi]

X was too scared to play me in SoCal so I have come to the conclusion that Sonic is free.

Sonic is fine, X is free.

 

[Doc King]

Strike Yoshi's Island (PT can't reliably Zero Switch there anyway), don't get grabbed at a very specific part of Halberd, and they're a non-issue.

You also forgot about Frigate and Brinstar.

okay doc king shut up. nobody gives a **** about slope infinites because there is no one dumb enough to get stuck in one. we all know you sat down and actually studied your character and found one thing that could matter if it was at all practical in any way. DDD has no infinite THAT MATTERS on charizard then i take it therefore you're point is moot.

none of the people who discover crap like this promote it anywhere near as much as you do. you just want popularity. hell if i wanted to i could try to promote all of my discoveries with pit (DACG extended cg, footstool cancel>almost all of pit's moves on anyone his height or shorter, reverse skid cancel although luckay found out skid cancelling, and other small stuff) and claim that they revolutionize all of pit's MUs and make him better in all of his MUs and how this that and the other but we don't, because we know that other people actually know how to play this game and avoid stupid ****.

*xyro quote*

I'm not gonna lie, I do get overhyped about my AT's, discoveries, and stuff. I just don't get why ppl think that slope combos are completely useless. I mean for stuff like counterpicking, this stuff is pretty good because you can pick slope stages and abuse it a lot.

It's funny, the stuff that I discovered that you are all considering useless has actually gotten me wins in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Because non of the viable stages force the opponent to go anywhere near the slope. The can literally just stand on the other side of the stage an there's no way to ever pull it on them.

 

[vVv Rapture]

You also forgot about Frigate and Brinstar.

I'm not gonna lie, I do get overhyped about my AT's, discoveries, and stuff. I just don't get why ppl think that slope combos are completely useless. I mean for stuff like counterpicking, this stuff is pretty good because you can pick slope stages and abuse it a lot.

It's funny, the stuff that you are all considering useless has actually gotten me wins in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

Probably because slopes are few and far between in competitive play. Or exist at all.

 

[Kuro~]

... he was obviously referring to lucario bro....

also if that's tru then does that mean it starts off even and then gets worse as he fatigues

@orion

i used to go to the odd tourney in norcal and go to fests, but i didn't get truly competitive until february when i moved out here this year. so im still not to savy on allllll the top players, but i could've sworn you were a player in europe.

i mean i could swear i've seen you play mr.r and ****

@doc king

you invalidated all of that by saying "punish with waddle throw"

He moved from america to europe.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

*sees referance to wifi, smacks head*


@kuro

thank you

@orion

you live in europe, but you're american.

your technicality bull **** can kiss my ***. seriously then WHEN was the last time IN AMERICA that you saw that then?

 

[Doc King]

Because non of the viable stages force the opponent to go anywhere near the slope. The can literally just stand on the other side of the stage an there's no way to ever pull it on them.

Yoshi's Island, Halberd, Frigate, and Brinstar can force opponents into slopes.

Probably because slopes are few and far between in competitive play. Or exist at all.

Well for 4 stages. This technique can be performed pretty well.

 

[C.J.]

*sees referance to wifi, smacks head*


@kuro

thank you

@orion

you live in europe, but you're american.

your technicality bull **** can kiss my ***. seriously then WHEN was the last time IN AMERICA that you saw that then?

Probably last time he came home around Ktar6. He comes back to America multiple times throughout the year.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Yoshi's Island, Halberd, Frigate, and Brinstar can force opponents into slopes.


Well for 4 stages. This technique can be performed pretty well.

There is enough space on all four of those levels to avoid any possibility of getting grabbed there.

Only one of those stages is a neutral (and, for most characters against Dedede, it was already begging to get struck), and I would argue that Halberd is the only counterpick of those that Dedede particularly likes (maybe Brinstar, but, that's how you get counterpicked by G&W or someone similar). It will see -very- little use in competitive play as a result.

 

[Conviction]

@mystic: When he visits NJ...

 

[-LzR-]

gotten me wins in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

me wins in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

wins in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

in ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

ladder matches and stuff on AiB.

matches and stuff on AiB.

and stuff on AiB.

stuff on AiB.

on AiB.

AiB.

Sorry that does it, your arguments are no longer credible at all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

People need to seriously calm down.