Official BBR Tier List v6

[Chuee]

Lucas' DJ isn't that good.
edit: outside of recovery

 

[Judo777]

iono if that makes it best though, i guess it depends on the moveset, but some characters with slow jumps and quick aerials have the luxury of being able to retreat aerials UP

No no JUST looking at the jumps. Moveset doesn't matter when determining how good your jump is. Zss' DJ aerials are better than sheiks because her DJ is almost as good and her aerials are way better, but Sheiks DJ is better.

Oh Zss' DJ is really close to being as good as the others I listed, shes just a tad short. Rob's is up there too.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can Sonic deal with his bad MUs better than Peach can?

 

[Espy Rose]

Sonic's bad match ups are all wiped out by Meta Knight (and those MUs are beginning to arguably be not as bad as originally thought), and his other two somewhat troublesome match ups (Falco and Lucario) are incredibly scarce. Beyond that, Falco and Lucario are among the characters whom I feel don't initially trouble Sonic as much as I previously thought.

In other words, Sonic does just fine in the current meta because he really doesn't have much to worry about. He has losing match ups, but at this point in time I don't really believe there's a single match up that blocks his success aside from a planking/scrooging/camping Meta Knight.

So I guess yes, I feel like Sonic can handle his difficult MUs to a better degree than Peach can.

 

[Coney]

falco's first jump never fails to piss me off

for a character with such a **** recovery, that ***hole can jump

 

[Judo777]

falco's first jump never fails to piss me off

for a character with such a **** recovery, that ***hole can jump

yea falco easily has the highest full hop. And its as fast as sheiks to boot.

 

[infiniteV115]

Lololol
Snake's jumps are so bad, he can't even get on top of the lower BF platforms from a fullhop. He has to either fair or bair (and I think uair too not sure though).

 

[Coney]

Lololol
Snake's jumps are so bad, he can't even get on top of the lower BF platforms from a fullhop. He has to either fair or bair (and I think uair too not sure though).

...what?

this CAN'T be true

really?

i have to test this now

 

[Chuee]

...what?

this CAN'T be true

really?

i have to test this now

I actually think it's true ;_;

 

[Espy Rose]

It should be true, zak.
Snake's full jump is hilariously stubby and bad.

Then again, that's a good thing for him. He is destined to fight grounded.

 

[Judo777]

...what?

this CAN'T be true

really?

i have to test this now

yea man its true its actually pretty difficult to tell the difference between is FH and SH

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah, when I first noticed how bad his FH was, I thought
"Holy ****. I think that's actually shorter than ZSS' shorthop"
It's not worse, though. It goes slightly higher. That's still saying a lot, though XD

 

[Tesh]

*baits snake into double jumping to reach low platform*
*shuttle loop*

I learned something today.

How do I get a Snake to jump on a platform though?

 

[Steam]

*baits snake into double jumping to reach low platform*
*shuttle loop*

I learned something today.

How do I get a Snake to jump on a platform though?

by making him play the matchup wrong

 

[Z'zgashi]

Sonic's bad match ups are all wiped out by Meta Knight (and those MUs are beginning to arguably be not as bad as originally thought), and his other two somewhat troublesome match ups (Falco and Lucario) are incredibly scarce. Beyond that, Falco and Lucario are among the characters whom I feel don't initially trouble Sonic as much as I previously thought.

In other words, Sonic does just fine in the current meta because he really doesn't have much to worry about. He has losing match ups, but at this point in time I don't really believe there's a single match up that blocks his success aside from a planking/scrooging/camping Meta Knight.

So I guess yes, I feel like Sonic can handle his difficult MUs to a better degree than Peach can.

I like how Yoshi has the exact same trouble characters as Sonic, and for the same reasons. I feel like, aside from the last sentence of paragraph 1 (they havent gotten any easier for us), you could change every instance of the word Sonic to Yoshi, and it would be 100% correct.

 

[Espy Rose]

Except Yoshi has another problem in his shield, and has no immediate OoS option.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Eeeeyup, which is why Sonic is a better character.

 

[Delta-cod]

I like how Yoshi has the exact same trouble characters as Sonic, and for the same reasons. I feel like, aside from the last sentence of paragraph 1 (they havent gotten any easier for us), you could change every instance of the word Sonic to Yoshi, and it would be 100% correct.

What do you mean they haven't gotten any easier for us? We haven't had discussions on them recently, but I know for a fact that I've found ways to push the Lucario MU closer to even from our original "lol get dookied on" ratio. I've mentioned this before, as well.

 

[BlueXenon]

I think in the next tier list, sonic will be 5 places higher and peach will only move down one spot.

 

[DMG]

I think who gives a ****, it's Peach

 

[Deleted member]

All aboard the Sonic train again...

Except not. Let's talk about . What has he been up to lately?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Falln has done well with him in SoCal.

vs ~ 5/5

 

[juiey2]

Personally, i don't believe in tiers.
If metaknight was out(not going to discuss that), tiers wouldn't matter.
Because the tiers are based in tournaments, wtf dude? why you backroomers can't make a tier based on matchups? my god -.- don't tell me you did, ike went 2 positions up -.-

 

[Fuujin]

Personally, i don't believe in tiers.
If metaknight was out(not going to discuss that), tiers wouldn't matter.
Because the tiers are based in tournaments, wtf dude? why you backroomers can't make a tier based on matchups? my god -.- don't tell me you did, ike went 2 positions up -.-

God I know!

****ing backroomers

 

[lilseph]

Falln has done well with him in SoCal.

vs ~ 5/5

vs -2

 

[Espy Rose]

All aboard the Sonic train again...

Except not. Let's talk about . What has he been up to lately?

Becoming so obscure that I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist on the disc.

 

[Deleted member]

Y.b.M. does consistently well in the Midwest.

Other than that, I don't know. I don't think he's bad, though.

 

[Linkshot]

My Kirby partner hasn't been playing lately (hell, my whole region hasn't), so I don't know what's up with Kirby right now.

Hopefully I can give input in September.

 

[Espy Rose]

YBM also uses ZSS.

 

[Deleted member]

Last couple tourneys I've seen him at he only used Kirby.

You'll be seeing him soon, Espy.

 

[Z'zgashi]

What do you mean they haven't gotten any easier for us? We haven't had discussions on them recently, but I know for a fact that I've found ways to push the Lucario MU closer to even from our original "lol get dookied on" ratio. I've mentioned this before, as well.

I meant more number wise. Sonic's MU's have been increasing full numbers, ours have just been like, 'oh look, its lower on that number.'

 

[Delta-cod]

There's no real difference between the two. Are you saying Sonic's good MUs are getting better for him? That's not as important imo as having bad MUs get easier.

As a numerical example, I believe that going from +1 to +2 is less important than going from, as in Lucario's example, -3 to -2.

 

[Kantrip]

I think he meant Sonic's matchups are becoming so much easier that he's getting those number changes (-3 to -2 or -2 to -1), while Yoshi's matchups are only becoming easier while still remaining at the same number.

 

[Delta-cod]

The matchups I mentioned are definitely getting easier by numbers. If they weren't, then there wouldn't be much improvement being made.

 

[Z'zgashi]

What Crimson said.

I was more or less saying Sonic's improving far more than we are, that's it. Never meant we arent getting better.

And I dare you to say Lucario isnt -3. Falco was already -2, so there is NO WAY he's -1. Im sorry, but those numbers arent changing THATS MY POINT.

 

[Delta-cod]

Lucario isn't -3.

 

[Conviction]

Lucario isn't -3.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Lucario isn't -3.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't spam it, guys.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Lucario is too bad a character to +3 anybody outside of bottom tier imo. I don't think his character design allows for such dominance against any characters except Falcon and Ganondorf.