Official BBR Tier List v5

[~ Gheb ~]

When I look at the diddy match-up I look at how Zac can take sets off of Gnes and how he feels it's about a -1, so I usually base my opinion on that. Why? Because that is clearly GaW being played at the best of his ability in the particular match-up. Also, from experience I do not find the match-up hard, but then again I don't play amazing diddys offline.

I wouldn't use the only example of a good Diddy losing to GW in like a year as indicator for the match-up. Think of all the times where GW proved just flat-out unable to keep up with Diddy ...

 

[Orion*]

It can be used as a relation/representational system just as numbers or words can.

I think the whole "win x games / 10" is kind of garbage because we never see that kind of thing.

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Finally somebody who agrees with me on the Diddy vs GW matchup! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thinks that Diddy absolutely wrecks him.

Cool Story Bro

Well, if you count planking, yeah it's a lot closer.

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Matchups do change at lower levels of play, Gheb.

LMAO

I mean, I feel like ZSS, G&W and Lucario

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Removing the large amount of useless, massively biased and misinformed votes could make a good list.

I really wish mods could just ban people for being disrespectful still sometimes..
Would be mad funny

brownie, your definition of biased and uninformed could just include anyone who disagrees with you. not to mention that your idea of biased and misinformed could be JUST as biased and misinformed.

Thank you

KID say you wrong son.

I ****ing died laughing, Imagined NAKAT saying that to KID

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hey look, I'm Orion!

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Cool Story Bro

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Thank you

I really wish mods could just ban people for being disrespectful still sometimes..
Would be mad funny

Cool story Bro

Thank you

LMAO

I ****ing died laughing, Imagined NAKAT saying that to KID

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[Orion*]

Why make words when other people do it for you

 

[Juushichi]

Why make words when other people do it for you

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In unrelated news, how did you do in your last tourney Orion?

 

[DMG]

Address post to Orion

UNRELATED

 

[Juushichi]

Unrelated to "let's talk about the same topics list v5" is what I mean.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

People were *****ing about controversy over Fox's rise, but that's pretty much stopped!

Only because I've gotten tired of arguing, particularly with must be like, 50% of Fox's results never being posted here. >_>

He shouldn't be that high, and that won't change in my mind.

 

[Conviction]

^ Was waiting on him LOL

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe it's a bit high. I don't know. Really, the controversy was mainly over the fact that his rise in this list was completely unwarranted. The reasoning the BBR gave was enough to spark some heated arguments.

It's been argued to death, though.

 

[Orion*]

in unrelated news, how did you do in your last tourney Orion?

Ummm 2nd in everything.
Normal losses to Mr.R lmao. I tried diddy in WFs, and then did like falco/wario/diddy in GFs.

Diddy actually felt pretty good, Two of the games where last stock mid percent I recall. One game I did something dumb and got gimped. But it's more comfortable than MK for me by far.
After my exams are done (TOMORROW OH GOD LOL) and I actually allow myself to practice this game for the first time in a while I think I will probably use him for that matchup.

Address post to Orion

UNRELATED

I should have just listened to you and picked up diddy again in the first place LMAO

Only because I've gotten tired of arguing, particularly with must be like, 50% of Fox's results never being posted here. >_>

He shouldn't be that high, and that won't change in my mind.

You got ***** by like everyone in that argument bro... LMAO im sorry

 

[Conviction]

Shaya, get them to make a "Like" button on this!

 

[Deleted member]

You're better off asking Ankoku about that.

Or just ask for it in this thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299959

 

[DMG]

Yeah man. Diddy too good, learning him is probably your overall best choice outside of MK. Versatility up the butt

 

[Seagull Joe]

You haven't tried D3 yet vs Marth?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

If you play ZSS and want to switch to a better character, who is a comfortable transition? ZSS is so weird that I find any of the top-level characters to feel a bit like starting over. :\ Pikachu is an exception, but he's kind of a lot of work LOL

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Maybe it's a bit high. I don't know. Really, the controversy was mainly over the fact that his rise in this list was completely unwarranted. The reasoning the BBR gave was enough to spark some heated arguments.

Oi, there is no way anybody can justify the meaning for the rise.

"We're lowering PT because it's just Reflex being amazing. We're lowing Pit because it was undeserved hype, which we covered up as "potential" last tier list. And now we're raising Fox because TKD is amazing, and we think Fox has "potential". No, this is not the same "potential" at Pit, why do you ask?"

 

[GHAL416]

Well at least we know who's still king next list lmao

 

[Conviction]

Not going this repetitive argument with you again Niddo.

Fox sucks, he need's his own Tier right above Ganon.

 

[Orion*]

You haven't tried D3 yet vs Marth?

I did, I even went through the bother of getting the chain grab down LOL. The problem with both D3 and ICs in the MU for me is that my playstyle is generally... well more extreme. Either I am camping like a ******, or I am rushdown- I have problems really playing the middle ground, especially vs a character that can combat my spacing.

If MK hard camps marth, they will just wait and **** you. If MK hard rushes marth he will just get grabbed. I still think MK wins that MU solidly it's just past a certain extent at high level I don't feel myself growing at the MU anymore. I could just copy how someone else does it I guess... but its just not in my general playstyle/mindset.

My diddy already has most of the tech skill, and knows what to do in most situations from playing ADHD it just needs to get in the experience // fluidity. For me, putting that kind of work in so that I can enjoy the game seems much more enjoyable than frustrating myself w/ MK atm...

I will still continue to practice and learn the MU, and one day maybe it will click but atm I'm not getting better at it so it's time to try something different lol.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Actually I'd argue below Ganon, above Metaknight.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Wolf is a heavy Marth with Bair instead of Fair and a projectile. Try out Wolf vs Marth. I'm sure Semifer does adequate against Mr.R and Leon.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Wolf is a heavy Marth with Bair instead of Fair and a projectile. Try out Wolf vs Marth. I'm sure Semifer does adequate against Mr.R and Leon.

dont think he ever places higher then them, so id be inclined to disagree with that sentiment.

 

[z00ted]

don't ****ing try Wolf...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Picking up Wolf to "counter" Marth is literally the dumbest thing I've seen you say in a LONG time, Joe :|

 

[Tagxy]

Isnt Diddy a terribad MU for marth anyways? Assuming MK doesnt work he'd seem like a very obvious second choice if not first.

 

[Mr-R]

try wolf please, that sounds like a marvelous idea!

 

[-Jumpman-]

Isnt Diddy a terribad MU for marth anyways? Assuming MK doesnt work he'd seem like a very obvious second choice if not first.

I'd say not, but EU marths lack matchup experience.

 

[Tagxy]

Im only repeating what Ive seen posted from the best American Marths.

 

[z00ted]

It's not terribly bad, some argue it even.

I think it's in Diddy's favor like +1.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Im only repeating what Ive seen posted from the best American Marths.

Different playstyles etc., although Gnes or ADHD would **** EU easily.

 

[DMG]

Isnt Diddy a terribad MU for marth anyways? Assuming MK doesnt work he'd seem like a very obvious second choice if not first.

Terribad? No. But that MU opinion has gone from Marth winning to being even or slight advantage Diddy. The MU is kinda weird for both characters approaching wise, a lot of angles that get countered and covered by the other char.

It's not terribly bad, some argue it even.

I think it's in Diddy's favor like +1.

Yeah most Marth's think that.

Different playstyles etc., although Gnes or ADHD would **** EU easily.

Nope. EU the best. I like puddin

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Wolf is awesome.


But I can't recover with him at all. ANGLE THE FIREWOLF.Always do it straight up, and then cry as I drop straight back down to my death.

 

[Mr-R]

I'd say not, but EU marths lack matchup experience.

I have enough diddy experience and u know that lol

 

[Laem]

Ramin thinks EU = Ramin

 

[Seagull Joe]

I just said try him vs Mr.R. I didn't say he is a Marth counter .

 

[Mr-R]

Ramin thinks EU = Ramin

he said EU marths, when he could have just said "leon".
dunno bout andy though

 

[Orion*]

Wolf is a heavy Marth with Bair instead of Fair and a projectile. Try out Wolf vs Marth. I'm sure Semifer does adequate against Mr.R and Leon.

My wolf is so free lmao, the only thing I will give it credit for is I'm really good abusing shine invince frames.

dont think he ever places higher then them, so id be inclined to disagree with that sentiment.

well.... yeah I'll just put it like.
there's a difference between adequate and "winning"

atm my MK is "adequate", or tbh Ghebs MK is "adequate". It depends on what your standards are...

I don't want to be adequate LMAO, I want to win.

don't ****ing try Wolf...

LMAO

Assuming MK doesnt work he'd seem like a very obvious second choice if not first.

He is
moreso than my other characters at least, lmao.

try wolf please, that sounds like a marvelous idea!

XD

It's not terribly bad, some argue it even.

I think it's in Diddy's favor like +1.

This is what I think as well

I have enough diddy experience and u know that lol

Then y u get hit by fair so much?


side note:

but yeah, I do think wolf does okay vs marth but he's not someone that I would imagine "picking up" Especially from scratch for the MU.

I already played diddy for some specific MU's like GaW in 2008, and just played against // fooled around with the character so much that he's very familiar for me.

 

[Mr-R]

Then y u get hit by fair so much?

CAUSE FAIR IS AN EXTEMELY STUPID AND UNFAIR MOVE THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER !l!