Official BBR Tier List v5

[TheReflexWonder]

Yoshi's spike is weak?

Compared to all the good ones, yeah. It functions, at least, which is more than Mario can say.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Yoshi probably won't spike anyone with a tether or good vertical recovery until at least 50 or 60% as I understand it.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Charizard's is solid as far as power goes, but its range is quite great and doesn't make any sense--

There is no sourspot. I spike Aether and stuff, no problem.

 

[Xebenkeck]

I thought the weakest spike was a ground based one like Zelda's dtilt, or are you guys simply refering to aerials?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I thought the weakest spike was a ground based one like Zelda's dtilt, or are you guys simply refering to aerials?

I think they're referring to aerial spikes. That said, does Zelda's D-Tilt send people downward if they're offstage?

 

[GimR]

Charizard's is solid as far as power goes, but its range is quite great and doesn't make any sense--

There is no sourspot. I spike Aether and stuff, no problem.

this is hilarious, I told my brother that Charizard's spike HAD to be super disjointed. This pic confirms my suspicions lol

 

[_Kadaj_]

Luigi's D tilt does lol

 

[Xebenkeck]

I think they're referring to aerial spikes. That said, does Zelda's D-Tilt send people downward if they're offstage?

I know it did in melee, im not sure about brawl, i was just using it as an example it was the first ground based one i thought of, all i remember from that thread way back when is that

Ganon
Ness
Zelda
Snake
were the 4 strongest spikes

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Character	Move	        Initial Power 	Growth Rate 	Damage	      4725 MPH
Luigi	        Down Taunt	4725	        0.0	        2	      0
Ganon	        Dair	        1286.8	        57.17           23	      37.13993353
Ganon	        Down-B	        2220.6	        40.427	        15	      46.94869765
Ike	        Dtilt	        2377.487	38.04	        14	      47.71169821
Ness	        Dair	        3318.68	        23.277	        12	      48.41672037
Ike	        Dair	        1901.88	        42.82	        16	      49.92993928
Zelda	        Dair          	2108.413	38.537	        16	      51.89804603
ZSS	        Down-B	        2531.96	        33.253	        12	      53.95013984
Snake	        Fair	        1898.6	        40.427	        15	      54.91367156
DK	        Dair	        1776.413	38.537	        16	      60.51314321
TL	        Dair	        1778.893	34.257	        16	      70.00014596
DK	        Fair	        1487.653	36.397	        16	      72.94543506

Samus	        Dair           	673.55	        40.43	        15	      85.20900322

Here are the best spikes in the game.

Edit: my bad, meteors. There are no spikes in brawl.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

this is hilarious, I told my brother that Charizard's spike HAD to be super disjointed. This pic confirms my suspicions lol

Full-hop immediate D-Air hits standing characters like Ice Climbers and taller, hah. It's pretty stupid--I can do it through Battlefield platforms and the like.

 

[-Mars-]

Zeldas dtilt does spike similar to Links if you hit with a certain part/distance.

 

[Xx swift xX]

is meteor canceling a lot slower in brawl than in melee?(as in the amount of time before you can cancel) because I find meteors to be more effective than they were before.

 

[-LzR-]

It's 25 frames. In Melee it's like -2.

 

[Laem]

Full-hop immediate D-Air hits standing characters like Ice Climbers and taller, hah. It's pretty stupid--I can do it through Battlefield platforms and the like.

haha that's ridiculous and very awesome

 

[Z'zgashi]

No one mentioned Marth's usmash as a spike.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Traditional spikes are probably more important for the discussion.

 

[Z'zgashi]

lol okay, then how 'bout that dair? Footstool > spike anyone?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Toon Link, too.

Does the U-Smash of Sonic have the potential to spike?

 

[Poltergust]

Yoshi's spike is weak?

Ridiculously weak, dude. Yoshi can spike people at 150% and as long as they still have a double-jump they can quickly jump out of the hit-stun.

That said, as Yoshi, I've managed to survive getting spiked by Snake's f-air at 150% and Zelda's sweet-spotted d-air at 110% before (I had my double-jump, of course).

Charizard's is solid as far as power goes, but its range is quite great and doesn't make any sense--

There is no sourspot. I spike Aether and stuff, no problem.

That's actually really nice to know. I had no idea that the hitbox was so big. No wonder when I tried beating while recovering with u-air I'd always trade hits... and die. >.>

Toon Link, too.

Does the U-Smash of Sonic have the potential to spike?

Yes, but it's a weak spike. Not even all that functional since you can't intentionally do it, either.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yoshi's fair spike can still be lethal to some characters because it sets up nice footstool gimps.

 

[da K.I.D.]

yes it does reflex

I cant find the vid for it tho. sorrys.

 

[Poltergust]

Yoshi's fair spike can still be lethal to some characters because it sets up nice footstool gimps.

Eh, I guess. At least it's easier to hit with than most other spikes.

 

[Z'zgashi]

@Polt: Cuz he head becomes the size of his whole body lol

And yoshi can dair > footstool or dair > nair/uair.

 

[Ripple]

we should talk about the return of ROB to high tier

 

[Deleted member]

How strong is Marth's tipper d-air?

 

[Z'zgashi]

@Ripple: Not unless ROB mains step it up. If they really start doing work in nationals and such, he has a good chance. He'd have to at least beat out tink.

Auspher: Very.

 

[GimR]

Full-hop immediate D-Air hits standing characters like Ice Climbers and taller, hah. It's pretty stupid--I can do it through Battlefield platforms and the like.

Sweet, that's the first thing I thought of when I saw your pic.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Imma piss off my brothers with that now. Thanks Reflex.

 

[stingers]

ROBs def. going back to high tier =]

 

[Mister Eric]

I agree, ROB is nowhere near down and out. And I won't stop until he's a notable character again.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Imma cheer for you guys. I like ROB, he's one of my fav chars.

 

[Wild ARMs]

Ohmagawsh, Ganon tier!
My friend is going to love this. I imagine he'll say something like, "Ganon didn't get worse, and the others didn't get better, he just ftilted them out of bottom tier so he could have some peace."

 

[the king of murder]

Ohmagawsh, Ganon tier!
My friend is going to love this. I imagine he'll say something like, "Ganon didn't get worse, and the others didn't get better, he just SPARTA KICKED them out of bottom tier so he could have THE DARK PITS OF HELL FOR HIMSELF."

Fixed.

10

 

[da K.I.D.]

was I the only one who saw a post from a guy named 'King of Murder' and immediately assumed it was a ganon main?

also, Rob cant go any higher, thats preposterous. He loses to sonic...

Btw. assuming I get there, accepting all rob vs sonic MMs at pound.

 

[the king of murder]

was I the only one who saw a post from a guy named 'King of Murder' and immediately assumed it was a ganon main?

Only half right. I also main Ike who happens to be my first brawl main. Speaking of Ike, I find it funny that he was first assumed to be a bad character and later proved those people wrong with his good tournament performence and futher look into his arsenals. Kinda like Sonic. Also they both have blue spiky hair and a really extreme strong and weakness.

 

[Wild ARMs]

Fixed.

10

Couldn't have said it better myself. And in fact, I didn't.
Also, creepy similarities... (The ones between Sonic and Ike)

 

[Tarmogoyf]

was I the only one who saw a post from a guy named 'King of Murder' and immediately assumed it was a ganon main?

Nope, I also assumed that lol

 

[phi1ny3]

^ Uh you'll have to explain this to me lol. Only "blessing" I can think of is the shieldpush preventing characters from pressuring your shield as much as they would otherwise :x

I'm not sure if I'm at liberty to say, but if you know what DSC is, you'll get the picture.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

How has nobody mentioned Peach's D Tilt spike!?!

Oh yea cause you'll never land it lol


So yea ROB. Meh

 

[stingers]

u cant even land peaches dtilt spike in melee. how u gonna land it in brawl x.x