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Ntsc vs pal

jugfingers

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I always just assumed PAL was the weaker inferior version because i've never played it, but is it really?

it probably is...

but, if your a European peach player please enlighten us as to why we should use your version.

up until genesis/pound it didn't really matter that Europeans used a different version than us, but with the recent emergence of Europeans into the american smash scene it seems that the matter should be pursued, because if it can be decisively proven that PAL is more balanced perhaps it should be the tournament standard, I'm sure anyone with a Wii could download it and burn it to a CD pretty easily.

I mean it is most likely an etiolated version of NTSC concocted for the fragile European gaming population but I'm sure they would like a chance to refute this idea anyways.
 
INSANE CARZY GUY

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pichu/puff would go up on the tier list and I think everyone would be mad about that.

also F*** what they did to yoshi and marth in PAL that's dumb.
 
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This looks like a troll topic but I'll answer anyway.

It's more balanced. Sheik doesn't auto-gay the entire low tier cast via D-throw CG and Marth actually has to put effort into some of his gimps because of his nerfed Dair. In addition to reduced gimping power, other characters kill him or combo him better because of him being super light (he falls from Shine now). Fox is also lighter (not good since he's like 4rth lightest character in NTSC already) and has nerfed smashes (notably U-smash) so he's less gay. Falco's Dair also doesn't spike forever, the weak hit after it's been out for a while is not a spike and simply pushes the opponent away.

Other small changes include Ganon Fair being weaker and Link's Up+B not semi-spiking.

Overall there's some good balance changes. That is the argument for why PAL is the better version. In all seriousness it might be, but the population disparity and other factors prevent it from taking off in North America as the tournament standard.

Edit:

On a somewhat unrelated note, how would you go about gauging the strength of the different versions? What specifically makes NTSC the stronger, superior version, and what makes PAL the weaker, inferior version? Is it the lack of special movie in PAL?
 
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drakrain plays it, it most be good, but the only change most people can argee is good is the sheik d-throw. if you let pal in fox's upair/up-smash would be weaker and more puff jjohns would pop up and the fact puff isn't nerfed leads to more whining. the smash commutiy isn't mature enough to simplely be happy with something all really amazing.
 
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This Topic is unfair because these boards are 90% North American so it will be an us vs Them thread......and they are waaaaay outnumbered so its kinda ghey. The unbiased truth is Neither version is fair at all. Sheik, Marth, Falco, Fox, & especially puff have unfair advantages over pretty much Everyone in NTSC. In PAL the only difference is you Peach joins the list because her worse MU's are nerfed and Marth falls from the list. (Which obviously sucks for Marth's like myself lol) Not to mention screwing with Ganon, Yoshi, & other non top/high tiers was just plain....mean.:laugh:

I have a proposal. Down the road(Pound5/APEX2 or something new) We host a double tourament. Not Melee & Brawl but Melee-NTSC & Melee-PAL. Based on top 20 results we should be able to decide what is more balanced. Either way 2 of top 3 spots will be likely be Jiggs. However the others 18 should vary based on versions. I think that would be 1 hell of an event though.
 
Siglemic

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dude lol

if anyone can tell me how to get a burned copy of pal working on a hacked wii

freaking let me know

because connor and i have been trying forever

thx

(i can play burned copies of ntsc games just fine with gc backup loader btdubbz)
 
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What the hell are you guys talking about, Yoshi is buffed in PAL both in his own strength/weight and by comparison because of less gay stuff.
 
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PAL is probably the better version of the game, but it's a discussion that won't go anywhere because neither side is gonna "switch." i don't even know how you would switch versions if you really wanted to.
 
MikeHaggarTHAKJB

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i think pal is better overall mainly because of sheiks nerfed downthrow which makes low tiers MUCH more viable to use. many other nerfs of various high tier characters makes the cast a little bit more balanced as well.

although i really wish out version had some of the nuts stuff yours has like the extended grapple of samus (dont ask me why they got rid of it) and flame canceling. WHY DID YOU GET RID OF IT NINTENDO WHY ;(
 
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Insane Crazy Guy: Ntsc is much easier so i guees NTSC is the noob version.

Why pal is better
Sheik,Marth,Fox,falco is nerfed.

I know Ganons fair is weaker and a couple changes is stupid but overall the game is so much more balane.
Except for puff all the best chars are nerfed so more chars have actually a better chance to place better.

Pal>Ntsc
 
Charlesz

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if sheik marth fox and falco are nerfed, doesn't that mean peach is top 3? lololol
 
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dudes i just sent this message to connor and i'm copying it here cause it took me forever to get pal working on my ntsc wii.


Hi connor i want you to know I got pal working on my ntsc wii!!!

All right. first off i changed my wii's region to pal/euro (i'm pretty sure you already know how to do this it's pretty easy w/ the homebrew app)

then when you go into gc backup launcher, have an NTSC burned game in the wii. Then when it reads it, eject the game, and put in melee pal.

once it reads the disc and gives you the options press Y for ntsc and it'll load it.

I don't know if you know this about pal melee but if you hold B while it's starting then it gives you the option to start it in 60hz (60fps) mode instead of 50. This is what you want most likely since you probably have an american TV.

Sometimes your tv will stop displaying while it's starting up because you haven't set it to 60hz yet. Just hold b while melee is starting and mash A when you think melee has started.

and yeah. full color full fps. you have to reunlock everything though =[

good luck!
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yeah the way we need to get it working is kinda janky but whatever at least it works right?

let's make america pal-only

k that'll never happen but pal is awesome!!!
 
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Before I read anything, I have to say...

Gay Americans are gay and never want to play PAL. Probably because they're so desperate at getting good in NTSC that they're afraid PAL will ruin their game.
 
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Really the only reason I would want Ntsc is because I know there will be johns about their broken charcter being a little worse and puff being techincally better. however I won't mind not being chain thrown by sheik for once.
 
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Charlesz said:
if sheik marth fox and falco are nerfed, doesn't that mean peach is top 3? lololol
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they're not nerfed that badly.

pretty much they're nerfed enough that lower tiers have more of a chance, but IMO they still keep their current tier placings.

with a couple exceptions like marth he's probably a spot down or so, ganon's a spot down, etc.
 
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I would definitely have to say that PAL should be the tournament standard version of Melee.

The ONLY reason I can think of that's a valid argument for NTSC being used instead is because that's what everyone in America is used to, and it's much easier to access here.

Seriously, what other arguments can you have? PAL is much more balanced in many ways. I don't understand how anyone can say that NTSC is a better choice.
 
MikeHaggarTHAKJB

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Also I want to point out that the holding B-trick to get 60hz works in PAL on european TVs aswell and its the mode that everybody plays in.
Also when you run it in 50hz (which you dont, unless youre a ****** that likes lag and choppiness) it still RUNS in 60fps you just cant see all the frames.
 
Blistering Speed

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Fox got ***** in PAL. All smashes weaker and Up B shorter. What's gay is that I still think he's the best character in the game despite this.

Also, Falco's nerf was kinda relatively insignificant.
 
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Spam_arrows said:
I have a proposal. Down the road(Pound5/APEX2 or something new) We host a double tourament. Not Melee & Brawl but Melee-NTSC & Melee-PAL. Based on top 20 results we should be able to decide what is more balanced. Either way 2 of top 3 spots will be likely be Jiggs. However the others 18 should vary based on versions. I think that would be 1 hell of an event though.
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Why don't Americans go to a European tournament instead........

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=265173&page=41
 
gm jack

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Just for reference, there is a fairly new PAL tier list.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=270158

While puff is acknowledged as top tier, note how she is not the best. I think people need to remember that only Mango and Hbox really dominate with puff, and are both fantastic players and are/could be ranked similarly with other characters if they played as well as they do with puff.

And as a Sheik main, the nerfed Dthrow stops half the cast being invalidated. It's still very hard fights for them, but a single grab from a character who excels at getting grabs not leading to a lost stock is a huge change.

PAL>NSTC
 
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lol so basically hbox / mango would still come in top 3 in pal?
._. that sucks
if you guys really want to play PAL that much in america, get euros to spend 120349141$ and send everyone a copy of PAL version + A PAL GC, if not stop complaining and continue to play your respective version.
 
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inb4 19 pages of US vs EU and then lock

tbh I'm pretty sure it's all preference

there's only a few minor differences, but the one you've played longer is the one you will think is superior (generally)
 
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