Ntsc vs pal

[Zoler]

In my opinion PAL is better. Every low tier is basically buffed because of the nerfs to sheik, fox, falco, marth etc. Fox uppsmash in ntsc is just ridicolous, even more than rest

lol so basically hbox / mango would still come in top 3 in pal?
._. that sucks
if you guys really want to play PAL that much in america, get euros to spend 120349141$ and send everyone a copy of PAL version + A PAL GC, if not stop complaining and continue to play your respective version.

You do understand everything you're doing here is trying to start a flame war? We're not arguing HOW or IF you should use it, but which one is better, you troll.

inb4 19 pages of US vs EU and then lock

tbh I'm pretty sure it's all preference

there's only a few minor differences, but the one you've played longer is the one you will think is superior (generally)

If you knew the changes you would know which one is better. I dont think theres one thing better with NTSC lol (except puff has a harder fox/falco/sheik(lol)/marth to face.

 

[FoxLisk]

1) starcraft is a more balanced game than melee. why are we playing melee instead? balance isn't the only thing people want in a game.

2) nobody gives a **** about the whole 'low tiers are more viable' bull****. they're still not viable, as you've all admitted. low tiers aren't winning tournaments or even doing well in them. it's still fox, falco, peach, shiek, marth, and would be puff if anyone in europe had taken her up yet.

3) from (2), we can conclude that the only thing we need to be looking at is the matchups that might actually be significantly changed. If sheik > link is only +2 instead of +3, that doesnt change anything. but if fox > sheik is +2 instead of +1, or falco > marth is +1 instead of 0, or something, that actually matters to the metagame.

so if you're going to talk about balance, at least talk about it in the relevant way. high tiers still dominate low tiers in pal.

 

[Zoler]

Even if it's better by just 0,00001% it's still better lol. And I'd say it's better by way more than that too.

There's also a lot of changes to the high and top tier matchups. Peach vs Sheik, Peach wins in PAL and vice versa. Marth has a way better matchup vs sheik in PAL than in NTSC. Sheik doesn't **** EVERYTHING in PAL... I could go on forever.

Also Starcraft ftw :embarrass

 

[Magus420]

If you knew the changes you would know which one is better. I dont think theres one thing better with NTSC lol (except puff has a harder fox/falco/sheik(lol)/marth to face.

-Many multihit attacks actually work
-Ganon's f-air and d-air don't suck balls
-Samus extender
-Flame canceling
-Link's up-B can gimp
-Link superjump is cool
-Mario's weight isn't nerfed
-Stock icons don't look dumb
-Progressive scan video support
-Can use the らミメソ tag
-Frozen turnip glitch

 

[Strong Badam]

why did someone even bring up the PAL tier list
puff is still 6th on the ****ing NTSC tier list, i seriously don't give a crap about what a tier list says and neither does anyone who places highly at tournaments.

 

[Zoler]

-Many multihit attacks actually work
-Ganon's f-air and d-air don't suck balls
-Samus extender
-Flame canceling
-Link's up-B can gimp
-Link superjump is cool
-Mario's weight isn't nerfed
-Stock icons don't look dumb
-Progressive scan video support
-Can use the らミメソ tag
-Frozen turnip glitch

Agreed some stuff are better, but overall ganon, link and mario has still better matchups in PAL i believe because of the nerfs to top tier characters?

Tho the japanese is cool PAL with japense voices would be the best

why did someone even bring up the PAL tier list
puff is still 6th on the ****ing NTSC tier list, i seriously don't give a crap about what a tier list says and neither does anyone who places highly at tournaments.

As far as I know we don't even have an updated tier list o.O

 

[ETWIST51294]

Let's all play V1.0 then

I would love to actually.

 

[Archangel]

PAL as standard and everyone quits in a years time. Mainly because nobody can beat Mango, Hungrybox, & Armada ever and as much as I love them that would be extremely whack. Just think...Drunk Mango would have won ROM2 if PAL was the standard....lol

 

[Siglemic]

dude lol

pal is way more balanced overall

who cares about ****ty puff

also connor holy christ clean your inbox i can't send you anything

 

[Nø Ca$h]

falcon should be better in pal too because his worst matchups are nerfed

 

[EPsilon933]

PAL as standard and everyone quits in a years time. Mainly because nobody can beat Mango, Hungrybox, & Armada ever and as much as I love them that would be extremely whack. Just think...Drunk Mango would have won ROM2 if PAL was the standard....lol

Your theory doesn't apply when they're not at the tournament.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

dsw wouldnt have beaten falcomist in pal lol

 

[Strong Badam]

who cares about ****ty puff

like... /everyone/? everyone hates playing against puff, an awesome idea is to make the match-up harder for most players by changing to PAL.

 

[X1-12]

Puff is so over used in PAL.

there are only 2 puff mains in the UK, only one at highish level, but there are 7 billions falco/foxes..

 

[Nihonjin]

PAL's more balanced overall, NTSC's more balanced at the top.
But seeing as the low tiers don't really matter that much because (though it's a little closer) they get ***** in PAL as well, I'd say NTSC is better for tournamnets.

 

[Geist]

I've always wanted a PAL version, then I'd have them all. Until then I really wouldn't judge.
I like how some people favor their version over a version they haven't played. LOL

v.1.0 is actually the best though.

 

[X1-12]

does the fact that fox can't waveshine marth (he falls over) change the match-up much?

 

[ETWIST51294]

Nah because Marth can't gimp Fox as easily. Fox may not be able to shine up smash and **** but Marth got nerfed too.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Falco's second half of his D Air doesn't spike anymore, which outside of some really miscellaneous comboing means nothing.

I play PAL, you are not the PAL authority you like to pretend to be.

ive played ntsc alot and in case you didnt notice im european (but its impossible that you havent noticed that if youve ever read any of my posts ever) so ive played pal more

although based on what you said first we agree lolol

 

[gm jack]

PAL's more balanced overall, NTSC's more balanced at the top.
But seeing as the low tiers don't really matter that much because (though it's a little closer) they get ***** in PAL as well, I'd say NTSC is better for tournamnets.

Actually just likes having a good match up on Peach.

 

[X1-12]

Pal is more balanced but probably slightly less fun, I just hate people meteor cancelling marth's D-air.

 

[gm jack]

Pal is more balanced but probably slightly less fun, I just hate people meteor cancelling marth's D-air.

Then just do it again until the stun lasts long enough.

Or use Falco. That works.

 

[Zoler]

Personally I like NTSC cuz I'm sheik, the grab are so broken haha you get like x10 more "skill" from that grab

Same with fox

I think PAL is better tho but it's not that big of a difference rly

 

[BigD!!!]

nihonjin up there got it right

everyone is blindly assuming that balancing changes automatically improve the game, but really the changes mostly came in the form of making it so you cant do most of the stuff that is your favorite thing to do with your top tier character. what makes melee great is the top tier matchups. play some zelda vs ness or kirby dittos for a while and see if you think that tournaments should be full of matches like that. low tier viability, overall, does not matter and really would probably make people like the game less. people like marths gimps, falco's amazing combos, fox's everything, etc. sheiks cg is a little lame, but i bet most sheiks go through whole tournaments without even using it pretty often; it only applies to like 3 matchups besides low tiers

 

[Zoler]

nihonjin up there got it right

everyone is blindly assuming that balancing changes automatically improve the game, but really the changes mostly came in the form of making it so you cant do most of the stuff that is your favorite thing to do with your top tier character. what makes melee great is the top tier matchups. play some zelda vs ness or kirby dittos for a while and see if you think that tournaments should be full of matches like that. low tier viability, overall, does not matter and really would probably make people like the game less. people like marths gimps, falco's amazing combos, fox's everything, etc. sheiks cg is a little lame, but i bet most sheiks go through whole tournaments without even using it pretty often; it only applies to like 3 matchups besides low tiers

Do you even know anything about PAL or just speaking from the facts written in this thread? Fox uppsmash, fsmash, downsmash kills maybe 10% earlier.. WOW everything about fox is gone and he doesn't make it back as easily, easier to gimp maybe less entertaining I get that but still it's like not that longer anyway. And falco, wut, falco has like the same combos, ever seen good falcos play in European tournaments, didn't think so.

Also Nihonjin said nothing about entertaining, he just said it's more balanced.

 

[Dark Sonic]

In addition to reduced gimping power, other characters kill him or combo him better because of him being super light (he falls from Shine now).

If by super light you mean only slightly lighter (Marth is on the exact edge of characters who can't fall from the shine in NTSC, and on PAL he just moved to the other side of that weight threshold).

Nah because Marth can't gimp Fox as easily. Fox may not be able to shine up smash and **** but Marth got nerfed too.

uh....all Marth has to do is substitute dair with his 9001 other gimping methods. He can still just repeatedly bair, unsweetspot fair, neutral B, nair, or reverse up B for off stage edgeguards, and every on stage edgeguard he had still works.


Marth's dair not being a spike is really not that big a deal. We use it in NTSC because it's there, but it's not like it's his only gimping tool <_<.






I personally think that Marth is actually a better character in PAL due to the easier Sheik matchup and (imo) easier Fox matchup. Marth doesn't get shine->wavedash grabbed, Fox kills him later (yes he's lighter, but Fox's vertical kill moves are also weaker <_<), and Marth kills Fox even faster (shorter up B and lighter weight are bad for Fox here). He still has to deal with a harder Peach matchup (spikes were actually relatively important there, gimping Peach by other means is hard), and I guess slightly less lopsided matchups over all (because of him being lighter I guess). I don't think Marth's tiny nerfs were enough to really tip ANY matchup into the opposing character's favor.

But what do I know, that's just theorycraft <_<

 

[Zoler]

You got it right there, EVERY character is better pretty much because of the nerfs to fox and sheik. and sheik and fox is still amazing so lolol. falcos dair isnt that much of a deal in combos

 

[BigD!!!]

i know a lot about pal, but i was basically just saying that nerfing top tier characters in favor of making low tier characters viable is not a good way to improve melee, because the reason most of us like melee is the top tier characters and the way their matchups are played.

 

[AXE 09]

So I guess a player like me doesn't matter >.>

 

[LLDL]

Couldn't you just inject the insides of the pal iso into the ntsc and whala. Lol i don't know anything about that stuff so someone explain the problem.

 

[MaNg0]

So I guess a player like me doesn't matter >.>

agreed


Also the **** american version is wayyyy better

and the ****ty euro version is a peice of ****

i would **** that game also

it wouldnt change ne thing cept

life looks alot easier in the euro version

alot less gay ****

WHICH U GUYS NEED

IF U HAVE NE CHANCE OF BEATING ME


America baby

 

[Siglemic]

guys puff is not the best character!!!

mango and hbox win because they're super good not because of puff

maybe hbox uses jiggs as a crutch a little lolz

 

[LLDL]

America baby

 

[MaNg0]

wish i knew what flag that was


show ne one an american flag

theyll know

 

[Zoler]

agreed


Also the **** american version is wayyyy better

and the ****ty euro version is a peice of ****

i would **** that game also

it wouldnt change ne thing cept

life looks alot easier in the euro version

alot less gay ****

WHICH U GUYS NEED

IF U HAVE NE CHANCE OF BEATING ME


America baby

Mango must be the biggest troll on here

wish i knew what flag that was


show ne one an american flag

theyll know

If you seriosuly don't know which flag that is it's just too sad...

also

Sweden **** YEA:

 

[MaNg0]

still dont no what flag that is

show me an america flag

ill know

 

[Zoler]

Oh wow

I love you dude, almost makes me wanna cheer for you over Armada at APEX almost

 

[AXE 09]

So... Is the main reason why people perfer NTSC because they're afraid of Puff????

I don't think Puff is the problem. I think Mango/Hbox are just too good, and everyone blames it on Puff. If Ken/M2k were still the best, I don't think anyone would argue.

 

[Armada]

Nihonjin: I guess you really hate Peach

Axe is awesome and he knows pal is better =)

But puff is broken in pal to so ban the char

 

[EPsilon933]

Nihonjin: I guess you really hate Peach

Axe is awesome and he knows pal is better =)

But puff is broken in pal to so ban the char

And you think MetaKnight is justice still, right?