Nintendo 3DS

[Wave⁂]

Higher resolution is only really for 3DS games, and there's only maybe three games out so far. Other tidbits are going to be released in May or something. Joystick is something, though. The novelty factor of 3D is still there, I guess.

 

[theeboredone]

A 3DS without 3D is just a PSP with a crappy camera LOL.

 

[*Tyson*]

Yeah, who knows though. Just gotta do the waiting game till the good stuff comes out. I do get excited at the thought of the games it could potentially have in the next few years though. Especially Pokemon and Mario and Luigi games.

 

[theeboredone]

Yeah, for sure. I'm personally looking forward to Megaman Legends 3. Though, it's gonna be a LONG time before I invest in the next gen portable system. Need to see the revisions, price drops, games, features, etc.

 

[Wave⁂]

A 3DS without 3D is just a PSP with a crappy camera LOL.

Number of screens the PSP has: 1
Number of screens the 3DS has: 2

 

[theeboredone]

Number of screens the PSP has: 1
Number of screens the 3DS has: 2

 

[sakuraZaKi]

In regards to MML3, I hope they don't cancel it for an NA release... The thing wasn't even greenlit, and apparently, according to a few articles, Capcom doesn't think MM is popular in the states.

 

[Sariku]

Pokemon Grey will come out, just watch. There is no reason they wouldn't release it because B/W has already sold phenomenally. It makes people want to buy a 3DS because Pokemon is Pokemon. My guess is that it will be out in Japan in September/October, like all Pokemon games do. If not, it's the Ruby/Sapphire remake.

They HAVE to have a Pokemon release every year. A hardcore one. So it'll happen.

 

[UltiMario]

There was a time before Remakes existed and there wasn't always a Pokemon Every Year. Now that's going to happen again.

They're not going to make R/S remakes because there is no need to. You go back to every interview ever back in the mid 2000s and Gamefreak says at EVERY TURN that they DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A G/S REMAKE AT ALL. I remember reading tons of this crap as a kid, and then due to INSANE demand from G/S being incompatible, they were remade.

The demand for an R/S remake is VERY Small compared to R/G or G/S, and they're compatible up to Gen V.

Stop getting your hopes up for the R/S remake already, it's not going to happen.

 

[Wave⁂]

B-b-b-but... R/S isn't compatible with the 3DS, soooo

 

[LLDL]

I just noticed that Rayman 2 was a launch title 3DS and essentially a launch title for the original DS.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

^ It's fun to play as well

 

[The Real Gamer]

B-b-b-but... R/S isn't compatible with the 3DS, soooo

Ding ding ding you are correct.

I still say it's too early to determine if there will be one or not. HG/SS didn't come out until the DS was towards the end of its lifespan... The 3DS just game out.

Only time will tell... If you're right Ulti by the time the decision is out I THINK I'll be old enough to buy you a beer, so I'll wager that.

 

[theeboredone]

See no reason why there wouldn't be a Grey. Instant monies...and I mean by both selling more 3DS and Pokemon.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I already explained why dooood.

It's already been confirmed that there will most likely be no Pokemon Grey, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.

Making the same game as B/W for the 3DS would kill both B/W's sales, as well as take away sales from Gen 6 since it wouldn't have the hype of being the 3DS's first Pokemon game. Why make the same game anyway when you can start fresh again on an entirely new system?

Plus there's no point in wasting time on making Grey for the DS when GF has a whole new toy to play with in the 3DS. My guess is that they're ditching Grey entirely and focusing on making Gen 6 for the 3DS... Or maybe they're just trolling us who knows.

Ruby/Sapphire remakes can be expected somewhere far along the road in the future on the 3DS if tradition follows.

 

[GwJ]

Lol, there probably won't be a Pokemon Grey.

If they make Grey version, it'll severely affect the sales of the first 3DS Pokemon game.
If they put Grey version on, it won't sell if it's for the DS as that's old news. If it's for the 3DS, the next generation pokemon game will get totally upstaged by Grey and won't sell as well because it won't have the 'first 3DS Pokemon game' novelty.

Just saying, since it's in the transitional period, it doesn't make sense really.

 

[Sariku]

Lol, there probably won't be a Pokemon Grey.

If they make Grey version, it'll severely affect the sales of the first 3DS Pokemon game.
If they put Grey version on, it won't sell if it's for the DS as that's old news. If it's for the 3DS, the next generation pokemon game will get totally upstaged by Grey and won't sell as well because it won't have the 'first 3DS Pokemon game' novelty.

Just saying, since it's in the transitional period, it doesn't make sense really.

Whoever makes this argument is ****ing ********, in my honest opinion.

This is Pokemon. Any game they make will sell well, regardless if it's the first game on a new system, the last game on an old system, an enhanced remake, or a new generation altogether. Maybe there won't be a Pokemon game this year, as Platinum came out two years after Diamond/Pearl, but I do doubt it and would be disappointed if this was the case. Let's be honest- Black and White have no replay value. I logged 120 hours into it and I don't really want to touch it anymore. I can't EV train because of not allowing auto levels online (you can auto level to lv. 50 but then you are limited to three Pokemon). There is no battle frontier or anything but a ****ty battle tower remake to actually keep me entertained.

This is all just like Diamond and Pearl before it. They need something to entertain us, and I know anyone here, even if they refuse to admit it, will pick up Grey/Zebra/Jailbait or whatever it ends up being called if it came out next March on the 3DS. Then when Gen 6 comes out, you'll pick that up too, regardless of the fact it doesn't have as much "hype." Even if Grey doesn't come out (which it will), we will still receive Ruby/Sapphire remakes for 3DS before Gen 6, so why complain. I say there is a better chance of never having a sixth generation before getting Grey and Ruby Sapphire remakes.

Ruby and Sapphire still sells for 25-30 dollars at my local gamestops as well. People STILL want this game because it's the best Pokemon generation besides the first. If some ****** was able to convince Nintendo to not remake the game, then they're also ****ing ********.

 

[Wave⁂]

People STILL want this game because it's the best Pokemon generation besides the first.

inb4****storm

Strictly in terms of amount of money earned, it'd probably be more profitable to release Gray. They don't really have to put much effort into it. Besides, Kyruem. However, the amount of time it takes probably makes it not worth it; they're better off working on gen VI.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Whoever makes this argument is ****ing ********, in my honest opinion.

This is Pokemon. Any game they make will sell well, regardless if it's the first game on a new system, the last game on an old system, an enhanced remake, or a new generation altogether. Maybe there won't be a Pokemon game this year, as Platinum came out two years after Diamond/Pearl, but I do doubt it and would be disappointed if this was the case. Let's be honest- Black and White have no replay value. I logged 120 hours into it and I don't really want to touch it anymore. I can't EV train because of not allowing auto levels online (you can auto level to lv. 50 but then you are limited to three Pokemon). There is no battle frontier or anything but a ****ty battle tower remake to actually keep me entertained.

This is all just like Diamond and Pearl before it. They need something to entertain us, and I know anyone here, even if they refuse to admit it, will pick up Grey/Zebra/Jailbait or whatever it ends up being called if it came out next March on the 3DS. Then when Gen 6 comes out, you'll pick that up too, regardless of the fact it doesn't have as much "hype." Even if Grey doesn't come out (which it will), we will still receive Ruby/Sapphire remakes for 3DS before Gen 6, so why complain. I say there is a better chance of never having a sixth generation before getting Grey and Ruby Sapphire remakes.

Ruby and Sapphire still sells for 25-30 dollars at my local gamestops as well. People STILL want this game because it's the best Pokemon generation besides the first. If some ****** was able to convince Nintendo to not remake the game, then they're also ****ing ********.

Sariku you're still not understanding how remaking the ---->SAME GAME<--- for a brand new system is a very, very dumb move from a business perspective. If you want to make as much money as possible off of the 3DS you start off with a brand new generation just like they did with the Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS. Breaking that trend would make 0 sense.

We're in the "hardcore Pokemon fan" demographic of course we'll buy anything GF throws at us, but I will guarantee that making Pokemon Grey for the 3DS would kill sales for both B/W as well as generation 6. If that happens generation 6 gets delayed even longer as well as loses a good portion of hype for not being the 3DS's first Pokemon game. Less hype = less sales.

Plus I'm fairly sure 95% of us here would rather have a new generation 6 game in development right now instead of Game Freak focusing on making B/W again in 3D... Completely unnecessary. Black and White are some of the most complete games GF has ever made and received extremely good reviews from all angles, so a need for Pokemon Grey isn't nearly as large as you might think.

However I do believe a R/S remake will indeed be made in the future.

 

[GwJ]

Whoever makes this argument is ****ing ********, in my honest opinion.

This is Pokemon. Any game they make will sell well, regardless if it's the first game on a new system, the last game on an old system, an enhanced remake, or a new generation altogether. Maybe there won't be a Pokemon game this year, as Platinum came out two years after Diamond/Pearl, but I do doubt it and would be disappointed if this was the case. Let's be honest- Black and White have no replay value. I logged 120 hours into it and I don't really want to touch it anymore. I can't EV train because of not allowing auto levels online (you can auto level to lv. 50 but then you are limited to three Pokemon). There is no battle frontier or anything but a ****ty battle tower remake to actually keep me entertained.

This is all just like Diamond and Pearl before it. They need something to entertain us, and I know anyone here, even if they refuse to admit it, will pick up Grey/Zebra/Jailbait or whatever it ends up being called if it came out next March on the 3DS. Then when Gen 6 comes out, you'll pick that up too, regardless of the fact it doesn't have as much "hype." Even if Grey doesn't come out (which it will), we will still receive Ruby/Sapphire remakes for 3DS before Gen 6, so why complain. I say there is a better chance of never having a sixth generation before getting Grey and Ruby Sapphire remakes.

Ruby and Sapphire still sells for 25-30 dollars at my local gamestops as well. People STILL want this game because it's the best Pokemon generation besides the first. If some ****** was able to convince Nintendo to not remake the game, then they're also ****ing ********.

Well, thanks for the compliment first of all.

Second of all, I know it doesn't make too much sense, but I just feel that releasing a 3DS pokemon game first that's not a new one would be a mistake on their part.

 

[Sariku]

Sariku you're still not understanding how remaking the ---->SAME GAME<--- for a brand new system is a very, very dumb move from a business perspective. If you want to make as much money as possible off of the 3DS you start off with a brand new generation just like they did with the Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS. Breaking that trend would make 0 sense.

We're in the "hardcore Pokemon fan" demographic of course we'll buy anything GF throws at us, but I will guarantee that making Pokemon Grey for the 3DS would kill sales for both B/W as well as generation 6. If that happens generation 6 gets delayed even longer as well as loses a good portion of hype for not being the 3DS's first Pokemon game. Less hype = less sales.

Plus I'm fairly sure 95% of us here would rather have a new generation 6 game in development right now instead of Game Freak focusing on making B/W again in 3D... Completely unnecessary. Black and White are some of the most complete games GF has ever made and received extremely good reviews from all angles, so a need for Pokemon Grey isn't nearly as large as you might think.

However I do believe a R/S remake will indeed be made in the future.

It's not a dumb move if it makes profit. And it being Pokemon, it'll make profit x5. If they told me right now that I could buy Black/White with a new Battle Frontier alone, I'd buy it. And why would you want a Gen 6 already? I know if we get it within the next 3 years, it'll be bad. I could promise it. It would feel like overkill with 150 new Pokemon AGAIN.

 

[Wave⁂]

Sariku with that riposte

Actually, releasing Gray would be a smart move on Game Freak's part because if they space it out right, it'll stop us fans from complaining about a lack of a gen VI game. It'd essentially buy them time.

 

[Rikana]

A 3DS without 3D is just a PSP with a crappy camera LOL.

I lol @ this analogy.

 

[The Real Gamer]

It's not a dumb move if it makes profit. And it being Pokemon, it'll make profit x5. If they told me right now that I could buy Black/White with a new Battle Frontier alone, I'd buy it. And why would you want a Gen 6 already? I know if we get it within the next 3 years, it'll be bad. I could promise it. It would feel like overkill with 150 new Pokemon AGAIN.

Business isn't just about making a profit it's about making the greatest amount of profit in the shortest amount of time... They'll make more money making generation 6 within the next 3 years and then the remake 2 years later as opposed to making Grey in 2 years and then a less-hyped generation 6 2 years later.

3+ years is plenty of time in my eyes. It only took 4 for the transition from Gen 4 to Gen 5 and that includes using a whole new engine PLUS the time it took for them to make both Platinum as well as Heart Gold and Soul Silver in between. If they ditch Grey completely the development time for generation 6 would be much, much faster and the quality wouldn't be diminished at all. Plus if what I think is true then GF has probably been working on generation 6 for almost a year now... B/W was released nearly a year ago in Japan.

Only problem is if they really decide to not make Grey then we'll have a bit of a Pokemon drought... Overall the timing for the release of the 3DS isn't very good for Pokemon at all.

 

[Sariku]

The 3DS REALLY doesn't matter at this point. It has nothing to do with them remaking it. If they just ported B/W to the 3DS and gave us 3D Pokedex models and 3D attacks, there would still be mad hype for it. Then when Ruby/Sapphire remakes come out and they're "evolved," there will STILL be mad hype.

A new generation shouldn't be hyped because of its "graphical capabilities." Ba humbug. A generation should solely be based on it's region, it's Pokemon, and what it can bring to the table that the past games haven't. You can argue that they could graphically bring out what others haven't, but how about they do that with Grey/Ruby/Sapphire, and then create something even more amazing with G6? You act like GF can only go so far, and whatever they put in the first 3DS Pokemon game will be what all of the future games will be based upon. They could shake the table up at ANY point.

Also, from all of your posts before, you're the one who believes that huge things will come out of the 3DS Pokemon game. I don't think so. I think if it be Grey, Ruby/Sapphire, or gen six, we'll get the same over-the-top-at-a-slight-angle view, 2D sprites for Pokemon, MIDI sound effects, and so on. Nothing will change. I would love it if it did, but this is the same company that has been using the same ****ty Pokemon cries since the first game. The same company that said that gender differences will be big and barely any Pokemon in the grand scheme of things have them.

I don't expect change from GameFreak. I only expect whatever makes them the most money, which would be pumping out Pokemon games.

 

[The Real Gamer]

You can argue that a generation shouldn't be hyped because of its graphics but its a fact that new generations get a LOT of hype because of new technology and graphics greatly contributed to the sales that R/S/E and D/P/P had. Heck even Black and White couldn't have been made if it weren't for the new engine.

I don't think GF will change that trend anytime soon so I'm still expecting a generation 6 before a Grey 3DS release until I'm proven otherwise.

If they went with the same 4 direction over the top view w/ 2D sprites I'd be extremely disappointed the 3DS has far more power graphically than any other handheld Nintendo has even been close to having. Someone said earlier that is has the graphical capabilities of a Wii even? If it's any time for GF to change its now, or else the games run the risk of becoming stale after a while. Pokemon has always been known to have poor graphics, so why not improve on that?

EDIT: Heck now you've got me thinking if GF is just gonna BS generation 6 and not take the time needed for big improvements then maybe they should just go ahead and make Grey instead so they can have more time. :\

 

[UltiMario]

>Not reading all the posts, just sort of stepping back here.

You DO realize that a representative at Gamefreak ACTUALLY STEPPED OUT TO DEBUNK THE RUMOR THAT THERE WOULD BE NO THIRD GAME THIS GENERATION. They ARE planning a "Grey" version (or whatever name it is) and WILL release one within probably the next 2 years (going by release patterns).

Anyone that argues there won't be a third game is dumb because GF already said there would be. Read Bulbanews more guys.

 

[Sariku]

You can argue that a generation shouldn't be hyped because of its graphics but its a fact that new generations get a LOT of hype because of new technology and graphics greatly contributed to the sales that R/S/E and D/P/P had. Heck even Black and White couldn't have been made if it weren't for the new engine.

I don't think GF will change that trend anytime soon so I'm still expecting a generation 6 before a Grey 3DS release until I'm proven otherwise.

If they went with the same 4 direction over the top view w/ 2D sprites I'd be extremely disappointed the 3DS has far more power graphically than any other handheld Nintendo has even been close to having. Someone said earlier that is has the graphical capabilities of a Wii even?

Gen five wasn't using a new engine. They just added visual flair and tilted the camera down. Even Metroid Prime Hunters had cut scenes. Pokemon is just way far behind. And what if it has graphics like a Wii? You know what Wii Pokemon did? It used N64 3D models (har har) and everything besides the arenas looked terrible as ****. Don't get me started on the WiiWare Pokemon releases (but Rumble is better than almost any Pokemon game I have ever played).

If it's any time for GF to change its now, or else the games run the risk of becoming stale after a while. Pokemon has always been known to have poor graphics, so why not improve on that?

Why is it now? Because a new piece of hardware came out? Sure, I guess, but why should they? "To improve the quality of the games"? Who cares if it looks outdated? The fact is the game is still Pokemon, and no matter how hard you want to argue that they should change it up, they won't because they have no reason to. If they had something to prove, then that'd be cool, but they have nothing to prove. They just have to release a new game and let us buy it. And they will. And it will be Grey in two years, if not next year.

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EDIT: Glad to see I won. ^_^

 

[mystery_dungeon]

>Not reading all the posts, just sort of stepping back here.

You DO realize that a representative at Gamefreak ACTUALLY STEPPED OUT TO DEBUNK THE RUMOR THAT THERE WOULD BE NO THIRD GAME THIS GENERATION. They ARE planning a "Grey" version (or whatever name it is) and WILL release one within probably the next 2 years (going by release patterns).

Anyone that argues there won't be a third game is dumb because GF already said there would be. Read Bulbanews more guys.

The fact that the first four gens all had a third game released sometime after the first two also helps.

 

[theeboredone]

Yeah, I don't want to hate on Pokemon fans, but there are plenty of loyalists and peeps who don't care about how redundant the game is. So if a grey version was the same graphics with subtle new features, people would buy it. It's Pokemon. From a business perspective, it would be cheap to make, and you would make plenty of money from it.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Gen five wasn't using a new engine.

I don't even know where that came from just ignore that.

They just added visual flair and tilted the camera down. Even Metroid Prime Hunters had cut scenes. Pokemon is just way far behind. And what if it has graphics like a Wii? You know what Wii Pokemon did? It used N64 3D models (har har) and everything besides the arenas looked terrible as ****. Don't get me started on the WiiWare Pokemon releases (but Rumble is better than almost any Pokemon game I have ever played).

Just because the graphics in the past have been ***** it doesn't mean they should continue the trend. The past Nintendo handhelds never had the graphical capabilities to take advantage of the technology and branch off from the traditional 2D sprite look, over the top view, etc. and within a decent time span. The 3DS does, and if they can, why not? I'm sure everyone here would like to see a newer, better-looking Pokemon, including you even. Change is good... And will lead to more hype... Which means more money.

Why is it now? Because a new piece of hardware came out? Sure, I guess, but why should they? "To improve the quality of the games"? Who cares if it looks outdated? The fact is the game is still Pokemon, and no matter how hard you want to argue that they should change it up, they won't because they have no reason to. If they had something to prove, then that'd be cool, but they have nothing to prove. They just have to release a new game and let us buy it. And they will. And it will be Grey in two years, if not next year.

It's been proven time and time again that if you don't change your formula in some way over a period of time then success will only last you so long. If GF really wants generation 6 to be received well by its fans then they'll really need to up the graphics a notch since the 3DS has such a greater amount of potential than past handhelds.

EDIT: Glad to see I won. ^_^

Whoah Whoah Whoah I said only IF GF is gonna BS Gen 6. ^.^

 

[UltiMario]

There's no reason to BS a series that has just entered an extremely successful reboot. They worked hard to make B/W good, and they succeeded. Why break it once you've re-mastered it?

 

[The Real Gamer]

I just don't want to see generation 6 rushed. I want GF to blow my mind with the excellent utilization of the 3D technology instead of going the "safe" route and sticking with the out-dated over the top angle and lame 2D sprites. If that means working on Pokemon Gray for the 3DS first and then improving on the later games, then so be it.

Only time will tell.

 

[GwJ]

I just want Game Freak and Pokemon Company (is that the name?) to make a Pokemon game like Colosseum for the 3DS. I found Colosseum to be among the best Pokemon games ever.

 

[F8AL]

They should remake Pokemon Stadium for the 3DS. And Super Mario RPG.

 

[Fuelbi]

Making the same game as B/W for the 3DS would kill both B/W's sales, as well as take away sales from Gen 6 since it wouldn't have the hype of being the 3DS's first Pokemon game. Why make the same game anyway when you can start fresh again on an entirely new system?

Platinum and Emerald did the exact same thing on their gens as well. As soon as the third version came out, sales for the first two went down.

What would stop them from making Grey if they've already done it before

 

[kinghippo99]

They should remake Pokemon Stadium for the 3DS. And Super Mario RPG.

I don't understand why they'd want to remake Pokemon Stadium that's limited to only the original 151 when they could make a new Stadium/Colloseum-ish game that encompasses all 600something Pokemon. Unless they release r/b/y on the e-store and it can somehow interact with the remake.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Platinum and Emerald did the exact same thing on their gens as well. As soon as the third version came out, sales for the first two went down.

What would stop them from making Grey if they've already done it before

Next time read my whole post I said that making Grey for the 3DS before making a new generation would greatly decrease B/W's sales as well as negatively effect generation 6's sales.

EDIT: A new Pokemon Colosseum on the 3DS would be sweet.

 

[Sariku]

I just want Game Freak and Pokemon Company (is that the name?) to make a Pokemon game like Colosseum for the 3DS. I found Colosseum to be among the best Pokemon games ever.

Colosseum was fun until I realized it sucked. I think you mean that you want a Pokemon game where you run around with 3D models.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Colosseum sucked??

Well I haven't played the game since its release... Need to play it again.