Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[DarthEnderX]

I'm an advocate for this too. I'm not gonna open the can of worms by saying distinctly that Eggman works BETTER as a boss

I am.

Qaulity, Not Quantity but I argue that outside the classic era, there isn't really anything at all.

There's a bunch of music. Which is the best part of modern Sonic anyway.

Castlevania got 2 characters right out the gate.

A Fighter and an Echo. Don't exaggerate.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I want to see the death egg robot as a smash boss

 

[Mamboo07]

I'm an advocate for this too. I'm not gonna open the can of worms by saying distinctly that Eggman works BETTER as a boss, but I think it would be a satisfactory role for him and characters like Tails or Knuckles would be strong fighters in their own right. Many of Eggman's most iconic attacks and gadgets just work nicely on that large scale and I think it would do him a great amount of justice, so I'm very much in support.

I think if anything it's pretty criminal this hasn't happened already, moreso than simply not having a second Sonic character.

I would have him both as a fighter and a boss.

Pretty much how we have Giga Bowser and Bowser himself as well Ganon.

 

[Will]

Eggman would be a great character and boss fight. I say add him as both. I prefer him over the other Sonic characters anyway.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Pretty much how we have Giga Bowser and Bowser himself as well Ganon.

Bowser and Ganondorf have no issues throwing hands with their foes. Eggman is always riding something.

Eggman is more of a Dr. Wily than a Bowser.

 

[Noipoi]

Fighter, boss, either is fine with me. I just want Sonic’s equivalent to Bowser to have a prominent role in the game.

So long as he says “Get a load of this!!!”

 

[Will]

Bowser and Ganondorf have no issues throwing hands with their foes. Eggman is always riding something.

Eggman is more of a Dr. Wily than a Bowser.

I’d be scared too if I was about to get my ass whipped by a ************ that’s faster than light and can destroy planets. Being a coward in the final ten seconds of the game shouldn’t disqualify you.

Remember when we took the L for saying Isabelle was just a pacifist secretary? I’m not taking another one.

We are pissing on the moon.

 

[smashkirby]

But I want a character that actually is a cowboy. I want a real yeehaw guy. Do people still like Dillon?

Well... I do.

I think it'd be cool if Street fighter got more songs and a similar treatment to KOF, where said songs are from games that take place in the same universe as SF, like Rival schools, Strider and Final fight.

REALLY hoping that ends up being the case...

 

[Louie G.]

My major hangup with Dr. Eggman honestly has very little to do with his feasibility. I'm sure they could make him work, I would love to see them try. I do however believe that Tails, Knuckles and Shadow offer similarly viable options for a second character, already have some meaningful presence in the game and have been requested about a decade longer than Eggman has. And would, in addition. presumably be easier to conceptualize and develop off an existing base.

Granted, Dr. Eggman is not a character who really needs fan support. It's a no brainer that he is a popular and important character, but in Sonic's case I believe a new fighter would be heavily influenced by that persistent fan demand. The other three have been far more prevalent in discussion since Brawl up until Sephiroth was revealed, and I'm not sure we've had enough time since then for the tides to shift so dramatically where Eggman has become the clear crowd pleaser. Compared to say... Knuckles, who was already a Mii Costume in Smash 4 and added as an AT in Ultimate. That latter promotion tells me he must have done pretty well on the ballot, and he's been having a really great few years to boot. It's easy to get tunnel vision about who was immediately popular during the tail end of Ultimate, but Eggman's time in the sun was relatively brief.

My personal prediction would be Tails, with a mix of modest support dating back to Brawl, distinct moveset potential with his twin tails and seniority over the other two I mentioned. But Knuckles and Shadow have been just as heavily a part of the conversation if not moreso, especially Shadow since so many people were backing him as an echo fighter. And then Knuckles demonstrably for the reasons I mentioned in the last paragraph.

Which is where I will say Eggman would still make a great boss, and it would be a nice spread of content to have a new fighter from the batch I mentioned alongside a brand new boss character. If we got Sonic, Tails and/or Knuckles and then a really well fleshed out Eggman boss fight I think many people would be satisfied. But if they opted to add him as a playable character instead... well, I'd be really happy, because I like Dr. Eggman. Who doesn't?

Remember when we took the L for saying Isabelle was just a pacifist secretary?

...We?

 

[Will]

...We?

IDK are you in the goddamn quote, Louie?

 

[Speed Weed]

...We?

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[Swamp Sensei]

Personally I want Tails as the next Sonic character. I'm not expecting him though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Shadow is my main choice(mind you, moreso as an Echo, but I don't mind him being a semi either~).

Really, no clue who else I actually want. Any would be cool, though. I'm all for playable Dr. Eggman, though. He's awesome.

 

[Speed Weed]

My favorite Sonic character is Metal Sonic but like, he's not happening c'mon now lmao. Would be sick though

 

[Louie G.]

I'll round out the trifecta and say Knuckles has always been my favorite... athough I'm not 100% sure whether he would be the most interesting choice for Smash. I'm sure his glide and potentially some sort of digging attack would make him distinct, and he'd probably be satisfying to throw around big stupid punches with. I feel like Tails and Eggman would probably be more mechanically fresh, though. Particularly I wonder if Tails could implement some greater form of air mobility, like a special air dash or an extended float with aerial smash attacks? I think we're overdue for a character with more of a true flight state.

I don't care about Shadow that much, he'd be fine. Would probably like to see him fleshed out to at least semi-clone status, I always had a few reservations about him being an echo fighter but I suppose it could work if they wanted to.

 

[Arcanir]

My personal choice would also be Tails as I loved the little guy since Sonic 2 and I'd like to be able to play him in the next game. I wouldn't mind Dr. Eggman or Knuckles though as I think they'd be fun additions.

 

[SharkLord]

I think Tails should be added, specifically with a game-accurate flight mechanic that allows him to skip over the entire stage. This will be balanced by the fact that he can easily fly himself into the blast zone if he's not careful

 

[Will]

I think Tails should be added, specifically with a game-accurate flight mechanic that allows him to skip over the entire stage. This will be balanced by the fact that he can easily fly himself into the blast zone if he's not careful

All I’m hearing is WiFi Tails stalling all match

 

[SharkLord]

All I’m hearing is WiFi Tails stalling all match

Counterpoint: On crappy wi-fi, the lag spikes will mean your inputs have an even greater chance of flying into the blast zone

Realistically Tails' flight would most certainly be nerfed a bit to keep him from melting the game balance. It's just that he's too busted in the games to not bring up

 

[Will]

Counterpoint: On crappy wi-fi, the lag spikes will mean your inputs have an even greater chance of flying into the blast zone

No way. That never happens, the WiFi warrior is gifted in spamming, camping, and abusing good recoveries.

 

[Lionfranky]

Which 5 Microsoft reps are most likely to join next?

Mine would be...

Master Chief

Crash

Dragonborn

Doom Slayer

Overwatch rep, most likely Tracer

 

[Laniv]

If it were up to me, I'd pick Tails, because for every Player 1, there must be a Player 2.

Also happy new year everybody

 

[PeridotGX]

Wild to think that the Switch 2 is releasing this year. I mean, it isn't official, but everyone knows it's happening. The Nintendo Switch feels, paradoxically, both fresh and ancient. I remember the first time I played it like it was yesterday, but that was seven years ago - I was in middle school then, now I'm in college. Mario Odessey is about as old now as Galaxy 2 was when the former released. I've probably spent more time playing Ultimate than both versions of 4 combined (which is saying something). God, time is wild.

Melodrama aside, what unrevealed games do we think we're getting this year? Either for the switch 2 or the original. If I had to lay down a few predictions...

• Genealogy of the Holy War remake (Switch 1)
• Heart Gold/Soul Silver remakes (Switch 1)
• Metroid Prime IV (Maybe on Switch 1, definitely on Switch 2)
• A new Animal Crossing (Switch 2)
• A new 3D Mario (Switch 2)

 

[Geno Boost]

There is something I don’t see people asking for but if Microsoft remains part smash I want to see actual windows content in next smash in base game remember that content such as pictochat and miiverse were added opens a door for something like windows xp stage and Microsoft entertainment pack content such as minesweeper or skiifree or even Clippy and Microsoft agents
Think of windows stage works like Warioware stage but opens panels so you play something then goes back to desktop

Which 5 Microsoft reps are most likely to join next?

Mine would be...

Master Chief

Crash

Dragonborn

Doom Slayer

Overwatch rep, most likely Tracer

Same as yours except overwatch didn’t Nintendo have beef with overwatch few years ago?

 

[Ivander]

Same as yours except overwatch didn’t Nintendo have beef with overwatch few years ago?

No they didn't? As far as I'm aware, they didn't have any issues with Activision or Overwatch.

Are we sure we aren't thinking about the Samus and Fortnite thing, where they simply refused to allow Samus in Fortnite?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Being a coward in the final ten seconds of the game shouldn’t disqualify you.

Being a Boss in a giant mech is not being disqualified. It's just different than being a Fighter.

Remember when we took the L for saying Isabelle was just a pacifist secretary?

Isabelle didn't have the benefit of making way more sense as a Boss.

Though, that's certainly no guarantee. Ridley made way more sense as a Boss and still ended up becoming a Fighter.

Which 5 Microsoft reps are most likely to join next?

Wishlist:
1. Rash/Zitz [Battletoads]
2. Kerrigan [StarCraft]
3. Doom Slayer [Doom]
4. Illidan [Warcraft]
5. Corvo [Dishonored]

 

[MrMcNuts]

That's assuming the Rabbids would even be playable characters (which I don't expect).

As much as I think Rayman will be the first playable rep from Ubisoft, I wouldn't totally count out some form of rabbids getting in eventually as well. That plus the fact they're considered separate franchises now, I think it would be best to just make Rayman's symbol something strictly from his games

 

[RileyXY1]

Wild to think that the Switch 2 is releasing this year. I mean, it isn't official, but everyone knows it's happening. The Nintendo Switch feels, paradoxically, both fresh and ancient. I remember the first time I played it like it was yesterday, but that was seven years ago - I was in middle school then, now I'm in college. Mario Odessey is about as old now as Galaxy 2 was when the former released. I've probably spent more time playing Ultimate than both versions of 4 combined (which is saying something). God, time is wild.

Melodrama aside, what unrevealed games do we think we're getting this year? Either for the switch 2 or the original. If I had to lay down a few predictions...

• Genealogy of the Holy War remake (Switch 1)
• Heart Gold/Soul Silver remakes (Switch 1)
• Metroid Prime IV (Maybe on Switch 1, definitely on Switch 2)
• A new Animal Crossing (Switch 2)
• A new 3D Mario (Switch 2)

If the Switch 2 really is coming out this year I'm not expecting any new major Switch 1 games. It just doesn't make sense to release games for an older system when you're trying to sell a new system.

 

[fogbadge]

We are pissing on the moon.

wow that must have been quite the new year's party

 

[dezeray112]

Which 3 sega reps are the most likely for the next smash bros.

I think another character from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is likely in which I think Dr. Eggman could be a candidate (although I could see Shadow possibly work as an echo fighter.)

If there were other candidates I would like to see, maybe Beat from Jet Set Radio or someone from Virtua Fighter.

 

[Opossum]

If the Switch 2 really is coming out this year I'm not expecting any new major Switch 1 games. It just doesn't make sense to release games for an older system when you're trying to sell a new system.

Tell that to every 3DS game released from the back half of 2016-2019.

 

[Oracle Link]

When it comes to female video game characters, it's always somewhat puzzles me why Alis Landale never seem to get the same amount of recognition as them. She was one of the earliest ones, having debuted before Chun-Li and Lara Croft and, unlike Samus, was always seen as a female from the start.

Maybe its cause Phantasy star is relatively Obscure when it comes to the main stream!

 

[Wonder Smash]

Happy New Year, eveybody!

Maybe its cause Phantasy star is relatively Obscure when it comes to the main stream!

Maybe but heck, I've heard about Phantasy Star for years and the only SEGA console I owned was the Dreamcast (unless people count the mini consoles).

I see Alis as like SEGA's equivalent to Nintendo's Samus in some ways. The way they get recognition is also just really strange too.

Samus is recognized as one of the most iconic female characters in video games, yet in her first appearance, people weren't even supposed to know she was female until at the end of the game.

Then there's Alis, a female protagonist that's meant to contrast with the male protagonists in RPGs and most other games, but doesn't get enough recognition for being one.

As much as I think Rayman will be the first playable rep from Ubisoft, I wouldn't totally count out some form of rabbids getting in eventually as well. That plus the fact they're considered separate franchises now, I think it would be best to just make Rayman's symbol something strictly from his games

Whatever his symbol would be, I just don't think the monster would be it. I remember the fake picture back during Smash 4 and while I never believed it anyway, the one thing that really stood out to me was the symbol. I saw it being used again in that video and I just can't picture that being it. At least the Rabbid's head seem more recognizable and was even part of Rayman's name in the logo.

 

[Will]

wow that must have been quite the new year's party

yes, yes, im sure you saw the national headlines this morning

 

[RileyXY1]

Tell that to every 3DS game released from the back half of 2016-2019.

Although home consoles are a different beast, and what you said actually led to a studio (AlphaDream) going bankrupt and shutting down.

 

[Noipoi]

If the Switch 2 really is coming out this year I'm not expecting any new major Switch 1 games. It just doesn't make sense to release games for an older system when you're trying to sell a new system.

To use an example from the series I know best, Pokemon always releases games on the older system months or even years into the new system's lifespan. BW2 dropped while the 3DS was a year old, USUM dropped months after the Switch...It's something they get crap for every generation. I wouldn't be surprised if we get Legends: Ducklett on the old model even when the Super Switch is fast approaching.

Yes, yes, take a shot whenever Noipoi mentions Pokemon.

 

[Will]

Yes, yes, take a shot whenever Noipoi mentions Pokemon.

Got sent to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. You owe me approximately $13,000.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Got sent to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. You owe me approximately $13,000.

Is that the hospital bill or the bar tab?

 

[RileyXY1]

To use an example from the series I know best, Pokemon always releases games on the older system months or even years into the new system's lifespan. BW2 dropped while the 3DS was a year old, USUM dropped months after the Switch...It's something they get crap for every generation. I wouldn't be surprised if we get Legends: Ducklett on the old model even when the Super Switch is fast approaching.

Yes, yes, take a shot whenever Noipoi mentions Pokemon.

Although this might not happen anymore due to the games now being on a home console.

 

[Will]

Is that the hospital bill or the bar tab?

The ambulance fee. The hospital was $40,000, and the bar was only $1500. They had a buy two get one free on shots.

I was waiting until those other bills were due to mention them.