Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Same here, the only spanish word I know is "no"
) and hows the weather? (general to THE EXTREME) which to me is kinda far fetched :\. anyway ur thoughts O_O? btw tis cold >_<
I'd compare Snake more to The Rock and/or Doran than anything else. He's all about 1 for 1 trades and controlling the board, then getting in there with some kind of powerful attack to finish it up.
</jokes>
Actually Snake has a pretty strong advantage against Metaknight, and I know of at least one stage where Snake completely stuffs Metaknight. I haven't shared the information about it because I don't want people flaming me for it and we're still studying the matchup more in-depth here locally. The deck you're looking at for comparison would probably be Big Red.
Once MK planks, Falco loses whatever advantage he has. He has very few options to deal with Planking and out of the few that he has none of them are safe.
LOL, did you forget that Elf N Nail came around as the top deck the day before Ravager was banned? The bans ended up making the format worse. The Brawl community could learn something from that.
I lol'd. And man, Elf & Nail was a fun deck. Clerics was a pretty good deck back in the Skullclamp days too. It had the savage tech of being ably to pre-board Disciple of the Vault for the Affinity matchup.LOL, did you forget that Elf N Nail came around as the top deck the day before Ravager was banned? The bans ended up making the format worse. The Brawl community could learn something from that.
Is Voltaic Key in there just so you can grab Key/Tez/Tinker/Will off Gifts? I'm not too familiar with decks that run Gifts to be honest. In fact when I did play Type 1 I started out on Gay/R Fish and then graduated to combo, so I don't really know much about Drain-based decks at all lol.
I know that, but can't you just do the same thing with Tezzeret? Or is searching for more artifacts really that much more important?
I'm not sure a transformational board would be very good at all actually. Same thing with green and Tarmogayf, it's just not really something you need to do.
It's based off a list I saw on TMD which I believe had origins with Smmenen. I can't find the original list, but I remember it ran Simian Spirit Guides and Wheel of Fortune but I took those out for more Cabal Rits and Ad Nauseam. I haven't really tested it that much but it's only like 3 cards off from the last combo deck I played so it should still run fine. As for Repeal, I can't think of anything that it could solve that Chain of Vapor can't. They both lose to Chalice for 1 but otherwise solve the same problems with the only real difference being that Chain does it cheaper but with no cantrip.
If I have Voltaic Key out, I win if I get Time Vault down with 1 mana open. With Tezzeret, I need to wait another turn or already have Time Vault. Plus, Tezzeret is 3UU, while Voltaic Key needs only 2 colorless. Sometimes getting Tezzeret down is a pain and so is having to wait a turn. I'm considering running 2 though, just because he's blue.
Well, it lets me win off the bat with Gifts like 10% more often, plus you can Regrowth Ancestral Recall or Black Lotus for mana and stuff.
Good point. What's the Cleric list (although I really only care about T1)? Does it run the infinite life combo (still in Extended, right?)?
This is very true I suppose.
Regrowth? Yes, absolutely and I definitely see your point there. It's just Tarmogoyf that I'm iffy about. Also, when you said "transformational sideboard" I kind of interpreted it as meaning something ridiculous like "the other 3 scarecrows and 6 REBs" so I guess that's the main reason I reacted so adversely to it lol. I think the deck looks fine right now and the only legit concern I'd have with adding green for Regrowth is the effect it would have on the manabase. Of course if you don't see many Wastelands or Blood Moons that's not a problem.
Ever played a combo deck against Stax? You NEED a lot of bounce lol. Now that I look at it again I may have gone a little overboard but I feel I do need at least 1 bounce spell for each casting cost (Chain for Chalice at 2, Hurkyl's for Chalice at 1, Rebuild for Trinisphere - though Chain is probably the least important here). I might cut a bounce spell or two for some Spirit Guides. And Thoughtseize is not in there for Meddling Mage, it's in there because I don't want to jeopardize the manabase to run Xantid Swarm against control or aggro control so I'm using Thoughtseize+Defense Grid (not that I don't like Xantid Swarm). Why would they name Duress with Mage anyway? Dark Ritual would be much more effective. Also, it's hard to run extra Duresses in the board when I have 4 in the main lol. But yeah, what I'm most concerned about with the SB is actually the Tormod's Crypts. I'm not sure if I need 3 but at the same time I don't want to go down to 2.
Technically the infinite life combo is still in extended but it relies almost exclusively on Daru Spiritualist and Miren the Moaning Well. There aren't really any redundant effects except for Lightning Greaves/Shuko. On top of that, Aether Vial is banned so you can't do any end of turn setups like you could in old extended. It also doesn't have the alternate win condition of Cephalid Illusionist+reanimation spell+Sutured Ghoul since all those rotated out. The combo is possible I guess but it's generally not worth it.
It's called Cardboard Crack for a reason lol.
God ****. I believe it but still.
But what if you could win $1000 using that piece of cardboard instead of selling it?
At larger tournaments like Pro Tours, Grand Prixs, Regionals, States/Provincals, etc. the payout is very high. For FNM (Friday Night Magic) though it's usually very low. Most stores have weekly or semi-weekly tournaments of other constructed formats or drafts with payout being roughly the same as FNM. There are also some Type 1 tourneys for Moxen or other Power 9 cards, but those are few and far between. You could also just get 7 other people and draft with each person chipping in a little for a pot (like $5 each for a $40 pot with first getting $20, second getting $10, and third/fourth getting $5).
Magic is like 4,000 x better than Yu-Gi-Oh! If you like strategy (as I'm sure you do), and found YGO at least tolerable, you'll go freaking insane over Magic.
Really? I thought it was more. You sure you're not thinking GP? I guess I'll go ask my friend who won a GP.
In New England you can find a mox tourney like biweekly, even just near MA.
After you've learned the basics of the rules, download Magic Workstation, and you can build decks (and play other people) online for free.
Since it's worth the slot because of a number of different synergies, it isn't that obviously gooduntil you play the deck.
Yeah, the mana base will become slightly weaker to such, but maybe it's worth it. That's what I need to determine. Since I'm dependent on nonbasics for the most part, adding Tropical Island doesn't really weaken the manabase as much as you might think.
I have, but it was Flash, lol. I just don't see enough open slots to board all the bounce in anyway. I don't know how flexible your deck is, that's just my general assumption.
Heh, I don't mean that someone would name Duress with MM, but that you can't make them discard MM with Duress. Since Duress doesn't make you lose 2, I'm wondering if Thoughtseize is really better or not. IDK how low your life has to go to win, though.
What do they get with Tez? Is persecute bad in the metagame?
4th best? Except for Wild Mongrel, I can't think of many that really compare to it personally. What are your top 3?
Umm, Goblin Welder, Darksteel Colossus, Auriok Salvagers, Elvish Spirit Guide, Simian Spirit Guide, Street Wraith, Sundering Titan, Hellkite Overlord, Akroma, Tidespout Tyrant, Psychatog, Dark Confidant, Ichorid, and Painter's Servant (and more debatably, Protean Hulk) are all better in context of their decks.
I would agree, though all those cards are definitely good, especially Shade. The thing is, Shade is like the Morphling of 2cc creatures, dependant on mana, whereas Tarmogoyf is more like Psychatog, dependant on your graveyard.
Fixed.
I guess so. =/
You do have a point there.
That totally doesn't count lol.
Well you only bring Hurkyl's and Rebuild against Workshops. The other 2 Chains are for decks with other problematic permanents that don't run an assload of artifacts to complement them, like Null Rod in Fish or Oath.
Oh, ok. With Massacre that's not really a concern, but I see your point.
It's not a matter of how much life I need to lose to win, it's a matter or resources. 2 life to get your opponent to discard a card could mean that you'd be unable to draw 2 more cards you need with Bargain or Will or that you'd die if you revealed something like Desire off of Ad Nauseam. Between fetches, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, and Grim Tutor, you'll probably be losing at least 6 life per game also. You certainly can play Thoughtseize if you want to but in the end it's a limitation of your options.
Lock pieces like Ensnaring Bridge, Trinisphere, Chalice, Vedalken Shackles, etc. The deck is more like Stax than Type 1 Tez in that there's no combo finish and it focuses on locking down the board instead. The only real ways it wins are Trinket Mage beatdown, stealing creatures with Shackles, and using Tez's -5 ability.
Actually, upon talking with some people I know who still play Magic, I've determined that yes, it is bad. In fact, my whole deck has changed a lot. I'll post the new list.
Those are perfect comparisons, although Psychatog also grows your graveyard on its way to kill.
I have to figure out the best way to sig this.
Are you not conviced that it is great, or are you hurt that I was saying it isn't intuitive?
Oh, and when Meandeck Gifts was legal I did it too, but I just cast Rebuild after Gifting my way to a winning position (and Hurkyl's Recalling if there's chalice on 3), and then did my thing... so it doesn't really count either.
So why not run Duress?
Goodnight. It's the same time in my time zone, but I'm taking a semester "off," so I stay up really late. This list seems much better, especially against what I assume Zoo plays. How long did this design take? It's so drastically different.
lol I'm not hurt, but yes it's the latter.Are you not conviced that it is great, or are you hurt that I was saying it isn't intuitive?
I AM running Duress. If you go back and look at my list it's in my maindeck between Chain of Vapor and Thoughtseize.
I was wondering why all your posts are at like 4 am. Anyway, this deck took about 3 hours to redesign. A lot of changes I made to it made other changes pretty obvious.
This reminds me a lot of old 4 Color Control. I think Thirst would benefit you much more as a draw engine, but on the other hand you're not running Welder so who knows. This definitely seems like a "Danger of Cool Things" kind of deck since it omits so much else that makes most Tez decks good. Also, why do you have Mana Leak as opposed to, say, Misdirection?
