brinboy789
Smash Champion
WHY is MK still in grabs? put DK or IC's, they have amazing grab games. WHY is MK still in grabs???
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I'm pretty good with ness, but seriously, PKT is REALLY overrated...almost any aerial can just cancel it out. If you airdodge the PK thunder can get to you, but almost everyone has something to cancel it out. As an attack, I think lucas' is better as an attack and especially in recovery, and ness's ub is one of THE EASIEST TO GIMP IN THE GAME >_>
i admit falco's down b has great uses and is fairly good, but not that good.Down B:
-Put Peach's on the list.
-Put Falco's on the list.
Dair:
-Zelda is NOT the worst. It's a spike, and not a terrible one at that. Now, take ZSS''s for example. Near no redeeming factor to that.
peach's turnips are good... but it's more her ability to glide toss than it is to actually use turnips that makes them good. and falco's definitely shouldn't be on.Down B:
-Put Peach's on the list.
-Put Falco's on the list.
Dair:
-Zelda is NOT the worst. It's a spike, and not a terrible one at that. Now, take ZSS''s for example. Near no redeeming factor to that.
Probably because, in all honesty, it IS overrated. I love the attack, but holy ****, it's basically Ness's only claim to fame. Don't even tell me that his air game is taken more into account than this stupid move.How the hell is pk thunder overrated. No one gives it props cept ness mainers. It DOESNT MATTER that any attack can cancel out the head, a good or even decent ness player is tryingto hit you with the tail, which has INFINITE priority. Airdodging gets punished too. Normally, a ness wont lead pkt at you with the head, he`ll swipe around the tail while you air dodge then get hit with the head, or get hit with the tail while you try to cancel out the head thats already below you, then get tailwhipped again and again and then popped into the air for more pkt juggling. play a good Ness OFFLINE (PKT sux online) and youll see.
Lucas` is NOT better as an attack. for recovery, no duh.
I don't main ness. I second him . But yeah if an opponent is high enough and no platforms to get in the way then pkt is undodgeable which is nice. I rarely get teh head cancelled out because most people will try and dodge it all together which is difficult since you can just circle it right as they dodge and they'll still get hit. Tailwhipping can gimp too if you do it right (not hard). Oh and pkt2 is nice as wellHow the hell is pk thunder overrated. No one gives it props cept ness mainers. It DOESNT MATTER that any attack can cancel out the head, a good or even decent ness player is tryingto hit you with the tail, which has INFINITE priority. Airdodging gets punished too. Normally, a ness wont lead pkt at you with the head, he`ll swipe around the tail while you air dodge then get hit with the head, or get hit with the tail while you try to cancel out the head thats already below you, then get tailwhipped again and again and then popped into the air for more pkt juggling. play a good Ness OFFLINE (PKT sux online) and youll see.
Lucas` is NOT better as an attack. for recovery, no duh.
Mario's has sub-par range. Horrible speed, and just isn't too great. Pika's is a nice get off me move even though Dsmash is better in most situations, C.F's and ZSS's have much better range and pop them into combo position even better than mario's...First of all: valiant effort.
Obviously this is WAY harder than a tier list and there is going to be a ton of problems... a lot of the choices are awful close, and it's hard to say which move is best because matchup and situation govern all of that.
However, I am stunned that you said Mario has the worst dtilt in the game. His dtilt is a pretty good combo starter.
I mean dont Pikachu and Ike have pretty crappy dtilts. What about CFalcon and Zamus, their dtilts are like Marios.
I mean, especially since Mario is your main...
However, I am stunned that you said Mario has the worst dtilt in the game. His dtilt is a pretty good combo starter.
His dtilt is a pretty good combo starter.
....dtilt...good combo starter.
....dtilt... good.
Its the actual grab, not grab GAME, brinboy...Mario's Dtilt is bad, I can't think of any Dtilt worse than it. Dtilt has little bit of priority and is slightly disjointed but its startup and ending lag make it just awful. Dtilt is at best a medicore juggling tilt at very specific percents. Most Mario mains just pretend Mario's Dtilt doesn't exist.
Well, since you're picking on my two mains I'll have to correct you.I mean dont Pikachu and Ike have pretty crappy dtilts.
is that including luigi's down taunt?Well, since you're picking on my two mains I'll have to correct you.
Pikachu's dtilt is amazing as it has the 2nd most horizontal range for any ground attack for Pikachu. Plus it trips which leads to combos.
Ike's dtilt is the 4th strongest overall spike, 2nd strongest grounded spike. Plus it cuts through shields of taller characters.
Yes it is, Luigi's down taunt is the strongest spike in the game, and the grounded spike that beats Ike's dtilt.is that including luigi's down taunt?
Its so scary seeing it used. Has anyone ever pulled it off in a tourney and if so, VIDS PLEASE!Yes it is, Luigi's down taunt is the strongest spike in the game, and the grounded spike that beats Ike's dtilt.
I answered your question... Look upviparogon, WHY is MK STILL in 5th for grabs? put in IC's or DK or something, MK's isnt THAT great!
Probably because, in all honesty, it IS overrated. I love the attack, but holy ****, it's basically Ness's only claim to fame. Don't even tell me that his air game is taken more into account than this stupid move.
It does matter that the head can be canceled out. Lots of projectiles ignore the ZOMG INFINITE (laser) priority of the tail and can still clash with the head.
I'm sick of you Ness players telling everyone to play a good Ness. PK Thunder > PK Thunder 2. PK Thunder 2 is basically a powerful smash attack that can be treated as a huge projectile. It's also Ness's main recovery attack, a move that requires reading and prediction to even be used effectively and, after the invincibility wears off, a move that most characters can override with one attack.The actual thunder projectile is way better than the blasting thing.
Yes it is, Luigi's down taunt is the strongest spike in the game,
ooo oops you didnt quote me so i thought it didnt concern meIts the actual grab, not grab GAME, brinboy...
WTF ARE YOU TALING BOUTT?ooo oops you didnt quote me so i thought it didnt concern me
then how exactly is MK's grab 5th? his grab range is average, and his grabs are decent, but 5th? im pretty sure snakes grab and DK's grabs do more damage and knockback...
Test it yourself. Ness's Dair is MUCH MUCH weaker than Luigi's Dtaunt.are you being serious? If so your wrong.
its highly damage dependant, but at 0 luigis taunt is the strongest spike in the gameare you being serious? If so your wrong.
You know what I mean for the list, right? if not, check above you...time for a spot dodge list.
1. D3
2. ROB
3. MK
4. Snake
and yoshi should be on the grab list.
maybe even number 1
Seriously? I was gonna argue Ness` is at 0%, and Ganon`s is at later percents. thats very awesomeits highly damage dependant, but at 0 luigis taunt is the strongest spike in the game