Player-4
See you in 25 years
Diddy will do this to you after you throw him as well, so also keep that in mind
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Meta Knight's New Match Up Thread: Diddy Kong
- Thread starter demonictoonlink
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zyth
Smash Lord
LMAO thats what I say everytime I see one....
but really this mu is definitly hard just because.
Diddys ground game is pretty much unbeatable when he pulls the bannanas out unless you know how to slide with them to and steal them from him.
in the air diddy has less advantage but can sideb to try and stay out of MK punishment range when coming back down.
the onlly real thing to try and pull off I can think of is to gimp him while hes off the stage, when he tries to jump or sideb get close to him with dair which will probly scare him into airdodging and by then you can chase him some more and hit him with another one before or during his upb.
don't go too much on diddy since I usually try MrGnW when I see him
Orion*
Smash Researcher
there are a lot of vids up, just study them, honestly
a male platypus
Smash Apprentice
I'd say 50/50 as far as an actual ratio goes.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
i feel like its 6:4 when i play everyone but adhd (even if i lose, i just did something blatantly wrong). he makes me feel like its closer to even -.-
I feel like its 60:40 also but I didn't know if I was gonna get flamed for saying that because everybody asks how to fight diddy kong and they'd never think we have that much of an advantage
Player-4
See you in 25 years
LOL I completely agree with this statement. Props.Stop caring about the ratio, it won´t win you the matchup.
Quit worrying about the ratio and just learn the MU.
It's slightly in MKs favor, so learn what it takes to beat him. Knowing the ratio does absolutely nothing but make you feel like you should have won because it's "6-4"
makoforce
Smash Ace
when a banana hits your shield doesnt it pop up? if so couldnt we just instant throw it OoS.
I don´t know if this was allready mentioned.
If Diddy throws a banana at your shield you can jump before it hits the shield.
You will then get out of the shield + instantly be back at the ground and then you are able to react to whatever the Diddy does.
Give you more options than the OoS stuff.
If Diddy throws a banana at your shield you can jump before it hits the shield.
You will then get out of the shield + instantly be back at the ground and then you are able to react to whatever the Diddy does.
Give you more options than the OoS stuff.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
i usually just z grab or instant throw unless the diddy likes to fair me XD
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Gnes jabs me out of my glidetoss ;_;
***got
***got
glide toss ISN'T that useful IMO, it's usually predictable and doesn't give you that much reward, and any time you throw a banana at diddy you're risking that he regains control of it, I usually like to just take control of them and guard them, only throwing it if it's nearly guaranteed to hit
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Glide toss = free Dsmash even if he jabs you
Now Gnes has told me he's Side-B'd Infinity out of GT before. ********.
You hear that Gnes. Your character is BROKEN!
Now Gnes has told me he's Side-B'd Infinity out of GT before. ********.
You hear that Gnes. Your character is BROKEN!
Gnes
Smash Master
U mad?
10saltylooks
10saltylooks
Player-4
See you in 25 years
I so mad
Orion*
Smash Researcher
i wish i got a chance to play gness in tournament :[ our friendlies where fun!
Adrostos
Smash Rookie
Hello Smashboards, This is my take on the Diddy MU for what i have learned through experience.
There is one major factor in this MU that heavily sways the results of the round even more so then it does in several other MU's. This factor is Momentum. Both Mk and DDK can put momentum to great and devestating effect. controlling and maintaining the pace of your offensive and defensive choices during either to maximize the use of your momentum, or minimize the effect of the DDK's momentum, will decide the match.
Metaknight Tools and Tips.
Do not be fooled the ground does not belong to only Diddy, Metaknight has impressive ground speed and various options to avoid being pressured without a safe escape route.
- Learn the spacing of How far diddy can throw a banana forward with and without glidetossing. (this will make alot of things easier in the mu >_>)
-Do not try to Aggresively pressure Diddy with Nado when he is on the floor, even without a banana his fast ground speed can make most of mk's landing choices unsafe. However, If you get Diddy into the air you can read his ground recovery with nado and basically any of his airs to try to continue the juggle.
-If you Use a WELL spaced ftilit once to check diddy you can avoid any punish that diddy trys to comeback with. given the slight hitlag on the his shield and the time it takes to throw the banana oos you will have enough time to raise shield, and better yet roll back. (provided he doesnt Pshield the first ftilit slash youre fine)
-IMO Dont try to Control diddy's bananas, Rather try to Keep them out of play entirly. If you Grab a banana throw it upwards or onto platforms or near ledges. Yes Diddy can Easily recover bananas from platforms or sitting on ledges, But to do so he will have to go exactly where you want him, now you have baited him into a situation. All you need to do is find the right way to follow him and start your momentum. Now if he opts not to chase the bananas or waits for one or both to expire you still have the advantage in that now his best wepon is just out of reach, atleast in terms of safe reach.
-When Gimping if DDK is directly below the ledge dont try falling nair. Even M2K overshoots this lolol? diddy's often charge their up b to try and find an oppourtune time to release. Fall down off the ledge and hover just below and off the ledge so that the Diddy up b will come between you and the ledge to try and recover. Wait for him to fly up and Dair him (out of Reaction of his up b reelease, dont sit there dairing or ull miss) and for most stages this will put diddy in a pretty much unsurvivable position.
-When Diddy is Recoverying horizontally hover between the stage and him and ABOVE his Side b or second jump spacing.
-Remember that When diddy holds a banana and shields he can no longer shield grab. Glide toss is slower then a basic shield drop to toss and both of those options are even Slower then a Shield grab. If you see the oppourtunity take advantage of this and Grab diddy !!!! people are always so afraid of being close to diddy but you can still control tight spacing as long as you dont panic and get stupid.
-Be patient on finding kill moves, if you become impatient when ddk is at high percent your lead will diminish quickly. This is what i meant about maintaining the pace between offense and defense. you cannot always be one or the other!
Sorry if anyone Disagrees with any of this, These are all based on personal experience.
There is one major factor in this MU that heavily sways the results of the round even more so then it does in several other MU's. This factor is Momentum. Both Mk and DDK can put momentum to great and devestating effect. controlling and maintaining the pace of your offensive and defensive choices during either to maximize the use of your momentum, or minimize the effect of the DDK's momentum, will decide the match.
Metaknight Tools and Tips.
Do not be fooled the ground does not belong to only Diddy, Metaknight has impressive ground speed and various options to avoid being pressured without a safe escape route.
- Learn the spacing of How far diddy can throw a banana forward with and without glidetossing. (this will make alot of things easier in the mu >_>)
-Do not try to Aggresively pressure Diddy with Nado when he is on the floor, even without a banana his fast ground speed can make most of mk's landing choices unsafe. However, If you get Diddy into the air you can read his ground recovery with nado and basically any of his airs to try to continue the juggle.
-If you Use a WELL spaced ftilit once to check diddy you can avoid any punish that diddy trys to comeback with. given the slight hitlag on the his shield and the time it takes to throw the banana oos you will have enough time to raise shield, and better yet roll back. (provided he doesnt Pshield the first ftilit slash youre fine)
-IMO Dont try to Control diddy's bananas, Rather try to Keep them out of play entirly. If you Grab a banana throw it upwards or onto platforms or near ledges. Yes Diddy can Easily recover bananas from platforms or sitting on ledges, But to do so he will have to go exactly where you want him, now you have baited him into a situation. All you need to do is find the right way to follow him and start your momentum. Now if he opts not to chase the bananas or waits for one or both to expire you still have the advantage in that now his best wepon is just out of reach, atleast in terms of safe reach.
-When Gimping if DDK is directly below the ledge dont try falling nair. Even M2K overshoots this lolol? diddy's often charge their up b to try and find an oppourtune time to release. Fall down off the ledge and hover just below and off the ledge so that the Diddy up b will come between you and the ledge to try and recover. Wait for him to fly up and Dair him (out of Reaction of his up b reelease, dont sit there dairing or ull miss) and for most stages this will put diddy in a pretty much unsurvivable position.
-When Diddy is Recoverying horizontally hover between the stage and him and ABOVE his Side b or second jump spacing.
-Remember that When diddy holds a banana and shields he can no longer shield grab. Glide toss is slower then a basic shield drop to toss and both of those options are even Slower then a Shield grab. If you see the oppourtunity take advantage of this and Grab diddy !!!! people are always so afraid of being close to diddy but you can still control tight spacing as long as you dont panic and get stupid.
-Be patient on finding kill moves, if you become impatient when ddk is at high percent your lead will diminish quickly. This is what i meant about maintaining the pace between offense and defense. you cannot always be one or the other!
Sorry if anyone Disagrees with any of this, These are all based on personal experience.
good stuff actually
Deez vs Omni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2UqzdbasOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CT5EpDs3WU
my match vs deez this past Saturday. i could do better but a w/e's
Deez
vs Omni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2UqzdbasOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CT5EpDs3WU
my match vs deez this past Saturday. i could do better but a w/e's
Bloodcross
Smash Champion
I prefer Jump Cancel Toss rather than Glide Toss. You would gain much more control imo.
Fair to pick up nanners rather than dash attack (only if you're far enough from diddy when you CAN dash attack). I somehow always Jab when I try to pick up nanners with A... it must be me though.
Getting the grab on Diddy is really important. He can't do much of anything at all other than outpredicting you (side b'ing your attempted shieldgrab or something). I personally just choose from Nado to Shieldgrabbing the possible Fair for more grab-rack-up-damage.
If you have a stock lead, you could just stand at the ledge and/or shield camp when you're in the range of Diddy's glidetoss (learning the range is important as Adrostos mentioned). If you get hit with a nanner you'll just fall to the ledge. If he grabs you, you won't die until around 195% with DI... I believe, correct me if I'm wrong. Just a general view for now.
Nado pressure is terrible vs Diddy. His shield is really broken and can punish you easily with his speed, especially with a nanner in hand. But when juggling, Nado can keep him in the air and rack up damage well. UpB OoS is also pretty terrible vs Diddy. It's asking you to get punished with Fair or Uair. I use a ton of Fair vs Diddy. It's my personal best OoS option. Full hop Dair seems to work too, but you could always just roll to mix it up and keep Diddy guessing.
Fair to pick up nanners rather than dash attack (only if you're far enough from diddy when you CAN dash attack). I somehow always Jab when I try to pick up nanners with A... it must be me though.
Getting the grab on Diddy is really important. He can't do much of anything at all other than outpredicting you (side b'ing your attempted shieldgrab or something). I personally just choose from Nado to Shieldgrabbing the possible Fair for more grab-rack-up-damage.
If you have a stock lead, you could just stand at the ledge and/or shield camp when you're in the range of Diddy's glidetoss (learning the range is important as Adrostos mentioned). If you get hit with a nanner you'll just fall to the ledge. If he grabs you, you won't die until around 195% with DI... I believe, correct me if I'm wrong. Just a general view for now.
Nado pressure is terrible vs Diddy. His shield is really broken and can punish you easily with his speed, especially with a nanner in hand. But when juggling, Nado can keep him in the air and rack up damage well. UpB OoS is also pretty terrible vs Diddy. It's asking you to get punished with Fair or Uair. I use a ton of Fair vs Diddy. It's my personal best OoS option. Full hop Dair seems to work too, but you could always just roll to mix it up and keep Diddy guessing.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
I've had a lot of success with tornado against diddy, actually-same usage as on snake-be careful, and it's basically free damage-especially when he's airborne. Just don't do it if he has a ****ing banana, because that **** is nasty.
Actually, Diddy is good at avoiding/punishing Meta Knight's B with his Side-B, B, shield, and bananas. One thing that I don't see Diddy's use very often when their shield is low is Up-B OoS when Meta Knight is above them; it's ridiculously good.
Bloodcross
Smash Champion
Like what? no really, idk
Bloodcross
Smash Champion
Jem.
Smash Master
I might make a new big post re-evaluating the matchup, I feel like I re-learned the matchup after Felix got home from MLG. I still think it's MK favor though.
When you have a small lead that is something like 3 stocks high percent vs 2 stock 0%, I usually just run around until the Diddy get's greedy. You don't even need the ledge, he'll probably try to kill you with fair when you just run around.
When you have a small lead that is something like 3 stocks high percent vs 2 stock 0%, I usually just run around until the Diddy get's greedy. You don't even need the ledge, he'll probably try to kill you with fair when you just run around.
He can wait for your shield to get low.
Fair, DSmash, jump in and UTilt.
If you don´t shield he can banana to dsmash you (it connects, even if you get hit offstage to the ledge).
KassandraNova
Smash Master
A good diddy will almost never let you land a nado if he is on the ground. With or without a banana.
If he's in the air thats a different story.