Melee Match-Up Chart (NTSC) [Update 008 - 09.09.28]

[otg]

when is fox vs sheik going to be changes to 4-6?

and why is sheik vs dmario 7-3?

what do you think it is?

 

[x After Dawn x]

When the matchup isn't more or less even.

you mean like now?

this

when is fox vs sheik going to be changes to 6-4?

fixed

also falco vs sheik should probably be 6-4. learn the matchup, avoid gimps, and the match is yours.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

d-mar vs sheik is even (or 55-45 sheik, but we rep that as 5-5 in this sytem)

 

[Vulcan55]

Good one.

 

[Strong Badam]

i don't think fox sheik is in sheik's favor by enough to say 6-4. if it really was then I'd think M2K would use Sheik instead of Marth against Fox.
falco, on the other hand....

 

[Juggleguy]

Fox/Sheik in Sheik's favor 6-4? .. if anything, I thought it would be the other way around.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

yea it is the other way around... 6-4 fox. sheik's worst matchup.

 

[unknown522]

in single digit, fox / falco / jiggs are all 6-4 against sheik. If not, they're all 55-45 for them.

 

[Dorsey]

55-45 sounds about right unknown, but I must say that I think fox is slightly tougher than the other 2. And then there's the fact that good powershielding can change the falco sheik match-up altogether... but yep, sheik's only 3 "bad" match-ups, lol.

Also Sheik v. ganon should be 6:4.

 

[otg]

d-mar vs sheik is even (or 55-45 sheik, but we rep that as 5-5 in this sytem)

Man if only that was true. 7-3 might be a lil extreme I'll admit, but it's def Doc's worst matchup regardless of the cg -> fsmash and stupid easy edgeguards. Go watch Dogy v. M2k, and you'll see how hopeless that matchup can be.

 

[x After Dawn x]

yeah my bad I meant Fox vs Sheik should be 6-4.

sveet made a mistake lol

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Those players are on completely different skill levels, of course its going to look hopeless.

edit:: mistake? me? NEVER!

 

[otg]

I know htat m2k is m2k, but dogy is one of the (if not the) best doc(s) atm. We really have nothing else to compare it to, so if you want an example of this matchup at the current level of the metagame, then there you have it.

I find it interesting that dogy did better than darkrain though.

 

[ChivalRuse]

dogy is one of the (if not the) best doc(s) atm.

No offense to Dogy, but, well, Boss is the greatest.

I have video footage of Boss gimping Chillin like three times in teams with fthrow > dair the illusion > DJ uair > cape the up-b.

^_^

 

[Strong Badam]

dogy did better than darkrain though.

what ?

 

[otg]

Darkrain has gotten 4 stocked in almost every match ive ever seen vs. m2k

 

[Strong Badam]

so you've only seen him vs. m2k.... once? he's taken m2k to last stock twice and was 2 stocked another game. he's clearly done far better than Dogy has (not to say that Dogy hasn't done well against M2K considering the match-up disadvantage and M2k being M2K, Dogy is still a beast).

 

[otg]

I didn't mean anything by it strong_bad, just thoguht it was interesting.

 

[RaynEX]

Unknown522 posting: Didn't notice that I wasn't signed in...

Man if only that was true. 7-3 might be a lil extreme I'll admit, but it's def Doc's worst matchup regardless of the cg -> fsmash and stupid easy edgeguards. Go watch Dogy v. M2k, and you'll see how hopeless that matchup can be.

Sheik v doc is 65-35 for shiek

 

[ChivalRuse]

Darkrain has gotten 4 stocked in almost every match ive ever seen vs. m2k

Realize that M2K would probably try harder against Darkrain than against Dogy. >_>

 

[KirbyKaze]

d-mar vs sheik is even (or 55-45 sheik, but we rep that as 5-5 in this sytem)

Sheik ***** Doc what are you talking about

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yeah. I thought Sheik was Doc's worst match-up.

 

[Strong Badam]

I didn't mean anything by it strong_bad, just thoguht it was interesting.

and wrong.

Realize that M2K would probably try harder against Darkrain than against Dogy. >_>

no johns

Yeah. I thought Sheik was Doc's worst match-up.

no one agrees on what doc's worst match-up is. some think it's marth some think it's falcon some think it's sheik

 

[otg]

I think Falcon/Marth might be closer to 40-60, sheik is probably 35-65. But yeah they are all gay.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

Out of Sheik, Marth and Falcon, Sheik is the worst for Dr. Mario. Trust me. Although its not that bad either.

 

[otg]

DJ do you think those are the worst 3 though? How do you think doc does vs. spacies

 

[Strong Badam]

doc is a hidden falco slayer according to chopz

 

[phish-it]

doc is a hidden falco slayer according to chopz

Meh, Falco is harder than fox, the d-air messes him up.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

DJ do you think those are the worst 3 though? How do you think doc does vs. spacies

Yeah, those I believe are Dr. Mario's three worst matchups. Although Fox might be an exchange for Falcon.

Meh, Falco is harder than fox, the d-air messes him up.

Nah son. Falco is easier to fight with Dr. Mario than Fox. Fox's Drill-shine up-smash>Falco's d-air.

 

[Strong Badam]

fox's blue hexagon off stage > anything Falco has.

 

[unknown522]

falco ***** doc.

 

[adumbrodeus]

no one agrees on what doc's worst match-up is. some think it's marth some think it's falcon some think it's sheik

Don't the Japanese think that Doc counters Sheik or some such nonsense?

 

[Strong Badam]

the japanese play this game still?

 

[x After Dawn x]

Does it really matter what the Japanese think? They don't even play Melee anymore.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Yea i guess i was totally wrong about doc v sheik

 

[Dorsey]

hmm I don't know a lot about doc... I know his cg on fox though and it's not tremendously hard to do. Can he cg falcon? I have a hunch that IC should be a little tough for doc as well..

 

[x After Dawn x]

I'm no Doc expert, but from what I can gather, he should only be able to cg Falcon at lower percents, if not at all.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Fox and Falco both have guaranteed combos on Doc at any percent. Fox with his waveshine > upsmash, Falco with his shine > anything and dair > anything.

I feel like Falco vs Doc is easier from a Falco's perspective. The lasers are so good for forcing him to make mistakes/shield. And dair is just amazing because it can't be CC'ed. >_>

 

[Alphicans]

Don't the Japanese think that Doc counters Sheik or some such nonsense?

They only play on FD though right? I could maybe see that then, but that's a pretty long stretch.

 

[victra♥]

Does it really matter what the Japanese think? They don't even play Melee anymore.

Apparently they still do(?). There were some recent videos released of japanese players.