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Mangos Falco Advice
- Thread starter MaNg0
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TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
TheManaLord
Smash Hero
uair is falcons best move period by infinity i wish fair was just another uair
Cross.
Smash Ace
quick question: If you see an enemy approaching you in the air, what is your best anti air option?
TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
CC ->Shine depending on the aerial.
Powershield/Shield -> JC Shine OoS.
Run back RSHL.
Run back Pivot F-smash.
Wavedash backwards Grab.
Standard options.
Basically you are going to dash dance like any normal character and mix in lasers to force them to approach you in a way that you can counter.
Powershield/Shield -> JC Shine OoS.
Run back RSHL.
Run back Pivot F-smash.
Wavedash backwards Grab.
Standard options.
Basically you are going to dash dance like any normal character and mix in lasers to force them to approach you in a way that you can counter.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
^ pifft too much work
just turn around and uptilt.
just turn around and uptilt.
PB&J
Smash Hero
well it matters what percent u are at..up tilt is good for anti air and short hop retreating dair is good too..or laser..u pick
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
If this was Marth, maybe; otherwise, no. There are much better options (such as the ones you listed).
Cross.
Smash Ace
Thanks for all the replies guys
Velox
Smash Ace
wavedash backwards and grab isn't so bad.. I think you probably just have a problem with Falco's bad grab game, but that's standard practice with any and all characters.
Obviously though, the problem with Falco is he doesn't have a move like Marth's u-tilt or Fox u-smash, but you can still just turnaround and u-tilt with Falco to stop aerials dead (works against Falcon's shffled n-air approach), and this may seem weird, but people do it, and why do you need to see the whole community do it? Just be different..
This also depends on the character though. Like with Marth, lots of Marth players will be full hop double jumping at u, but with Falcons you might get some shffled n-airs in the face (in which case u could just crouch cancel shine). Like, you can see that those two approaches might neccessitate different reactions from you.
like you could dash away and dash back into a dash attack too, obviously the problem with this is Falco's bad dash, but you can make it work with a combination of wavedashes, intial dashes, having had good spacing from the beginning and not being all up in ur opponent's grill, etc..
Obviously though, the problem with Falco is he doesn't have a move like Marth's u-tilt or Fox u-smash, but you can still just turnaround and u-tilt with Falco to stop aerials dead (works against Falcon's shffled n-air approach), and this may seem weird, but people do it, and why do you need to see the whole community do it? Just be different..
This also depends on the character though. Like with Marth, lots of Marth players will be full hop double jumping at u, but with Falcons you might get some shffled n-airs in the face (in which case u could just crouch cancel shine). Like, you can see that those two approaches might neccessitate different reactions from you.
like you could dash away and dash back into a dash attack too, obviously the problem with this is Falco's bad dash, but you can make it work with a combination of wavedashes, intial dashes, having had good spacing from the beginning and not being all up in ur opponent's grill, etc..
Dojomaster2
Smash Cadet
- Joined
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What is the most effective move coming out of a dthrow. Ive been shining then into an uair. I know there has to be something better than that
Scidadle
Smash Champion
First things first dojomaster.
Don't expect down-throw to work.
90% of the time human opponents will tech it.
But lets say they dont, you can shine like you said or dsmash or even read their roll and side smash
Don't expect down-throw to work.
90% of the time human opponents will tech it.
But lets say they dont, you can shine like you said or dsmash or even read their roll and side smash
Stratford
Smash Champion
Falco usmash is actually **** though.
80% if they're not good
99% if they're good
dthrow blows, except sometimes on platforms since it limits their tech options, and vs. ICs since it keeps the second climber from punishing.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Yeah mogwai....
You're right haha
90% is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to low
Seriously my favorite throw with falco is F-throw
Up-throw just never did it for me : /
You're right haha
90% is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to low
Seriously my favorite throw with falco is F-throw
Up-throw just never did it for me : /
Dojomaster2
Smash Cadet
- Joined
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Thanks for the info and for the quick reply, same to you scidadle
Scidadle
Smash Champion
No prob brah.
Hit me up on aim if you need the halp.
I'll try my best to help.
(Not a falco main but I know a few things : /)
Hit me up on aim if you need the halp.
I'll try my best to help.
(Not a falco main but I know a few things : /)
TresChikon
Smash Lord
D-throw pisses off noob Foxes like mine.
Do it alot if they dunno how to get out of it.
Do it alot if they dunno how to get out of it.
it's an OK mix in vs. competent Foxes too 
I've been able to get quick dthrow chains in on Eggm, Cactuar and PC before just cause they don't expect good players to do that janky ****.
I've been able to get quick dthrow chains in on Eggm, Cactuar and PC before just cause they don't expect good players to do that janky ****.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
f throw is falcos best throw vs spacies
f-throw is great off the stage, but I'm uncomfortable with it on stage. I don't really know how you use it more reliably than uthrow in the middle of the stage, chops. To each his own I guess. Also, wtf, Bronx? for how long? we should play I'm like 30 minutes from the bronx.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
u can tech chase off f throws wen their on the middle of the stage up throw is limited they can di it but oos tourneys is esy to get away with up throw shine. up throw f smash still works well nowadays lol
Scidadle
Smash Champion
I ****ing love f-throw
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
lol IMO upthrow > fthrow > downthrow > backthrow. I really only use backthrow when my back is against the edge of the stage and I can throw them off; downthrow really only used situationally on some platforms, and then mostly just upthrow and fthrow.
kmgamer
Smash Apprentice
Quick question, I'm having some problems vs fox when i try to smash di his uair to avoid the kill. I know the timing for smash di in general but how exactly is this technique performed?
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Fortress | Sveet
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If that link didn't help, press your control stick or your cstick in a direction as the first hit of the uair hits you.
I feel like uthrow shine actually works vs. most DI, but I don't really know, I've never really looked into whether it works or not cause it always seems to work enough to be worth using. I don't like fthrowing cause Falco's tech chase game is either a guessing game (if you go for anything other than laser) or yields very low rewards (if you cover several options with laser).
bthrow >>>>>> dthrow. bthrow -> ftilt works like 90% of the time vs. fast fallers and frequently eats their jump off stage. and bthrow -> fsmash on fast fallers also works a lot more than it should (ROB$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!). It's still worse than uthrow and fthrow though.
The direction you go if relevant though, that's the whole point of that link
Fortress | Sveet
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yea its relevant, but that link never explained how to SDI. i was just clarifying that.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=60218
I'm link happy.
Whenever I f-throw, they always hit me before I do anything. There's like no stun from that move.
I'm link happy.
Whenever I f-throw, they always hit me before I do anything. There's like no stun from that move.
Fortress | Sveet
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0% fthrow->regrab
20% fthrow->(di away) laser or (di in) grab
40%+ fthrow->(di away) laser or (di in) tech chase
20% fthrow->(di away) laser or (di in) grab
40%+ fthrow->(di away) laser or (di in) tech chase
... fthrow does not actually chain, if you're regrabbing off fthrow, you desperately need to find better players to play against...
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it works similarly to marth's fthrow chain. it works by giving them a few options and allows you to predict and punish their actions.
for example, if someone started jabbing out of my fthrow chain, i'd fsmash them the next time they tried it. if they buffer a dodge, you can dash dance and follow it.
no need to follow every one of my posts and point out obvious things mogwai.
for example, if someone started jabbing out of my fthrow chain, i'd fsmash them the next time they tried it. if they buffer a dodge, you can dash dance and follow it.
no need to follow every one of my posts and point out obvious things mogwai.
uhg, well, no, you're giving blatantly wrong advice in an advice thread, so it is important that I correct you.
Falco's fthrow chain isn't like Marth's, in that the counter to Falco's is "do anything because you have a frame advantage," whereas Marth's actually works at 0-5%ish on the whole cast. seriously, unless you've knocked the controller out of your opponent's hands, you should not be able to link fthrow -> fthrow.
Falco's fthrow chain isn't like Marth's, in that the counter to Falco's is "do anything because you have a frame advantage," whereas Marth's actually works at 0-5%ish on the whole cast. seriously, unless you've knocked the controller out of your opponent's hands, you should not be able to link fthrow -> fthrow.
Marth's doesn't even combo at 0-5% if you DI away.
You can still buffer a roll/spotdodge.
That's better than what Falcos fthrow does, but most people just do something to not get grabbed again after fthrow.
Seriously try it, fthrow is pretty cool if you mix it up with up- and backthrow.
PS: and why would you dthrow on platforms?
who techs that when he can just DI the lasers to get off the plattform?
You can still buffer a roll/spotdodge.
That's better than what Falcos fthrow does, but most people just do something to not get grabbed again after fthrow.
Seriously try it, fthrow is pretty cool if you mix it up with up- and backthrow.
PS: and why would you dthrow on platforms?
who techs that when he can just DI the lasers to get off the plattform?
Stratford
Smash Champion
Fthrow is top tier against spacies.
I'm not disagreeing with fthrow being good, I love fthrowing people off stage and I sometimes do it to create tech situations, I'm just saying it doesn't chain at all. I'm not sure on the frame data on Marth's, but I am sure that the only responses that might get you out at 0% are buffered spotdodge/roll, which are hard to do on reaction at least, whereas Falco's is easily avoided by doing almost anything at the %s where it doesn't ground the opponent.
if you're in the center of the platform, dthrow -> shield leads to easy tech chases because you can shine OoS vs. get up attack and tech in place and you're close enough to still catch up to either tech roll. if you're near the edge of the platform, I tend to pretend it's the edge of the stage and f/bthrow them off the platform and pursue with an aerial (though dropping and shooting is probably a better idea in general.)
Blunted_object10
Smash Master
How to you deal with a Marth who waits near the ledge and powershields so well!?
What is the best way to approuch against a Marth who likes to dash away a lot when you try an aerial towards him and you it's hard to laser him because he powershields so well!?
I will give you guys videos when I can but some advice would be great!
What is the best way to approuch against a Marth who likes to dash away a lot when you try an aerial towards him and you it's hard to laser him because he powershields so well!?
I will give you guys videos when I can but some advice would be great!
voorhese
Smash Master
if he "powershields so well" i would guess either you are not lasering well enough, or once you hit him with a laser you dont take advantage of it....i will have to see the video
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
My play partner KoJ suffers from this problem because of me haha. He is currently attempting to make low lasers muscle memory now so when I powershield it, he is already jumping over it. This is not possible with medium height lasers. If you shoot high lasers though, you could crouch under them, but that means not moving against a Marth who just powershielded a laser.
After you adjust your height, laser over and over until they miss, or mix in a more competent ground game of dash dancing (going traditional for the win). Just be careful because your dash isn't as long or as fast as Marth's is, which is why most Falco's laser spam him in the first place.
Beating his dash dancing is necessary not just for him, but against every high level player. Every other (good) character is gifted with a fantastic grab game, and most abuse it by baiting aerial approaches with dash dancing to mes your spacing, and grab you during l-cancel lag. If you are going to approach him near the edge he only has so far he can run to dash dance camp you. You have to remember to overshoot.
However, approaching Marth near an edge is just asking for your stock to be taken though. Your best bet is to use platforms carefully, dash dancing, and lasers to force him center stage where you can take his ******** gimping game away from him.