Data Mah0ne's Stuff about Puff

[Tekk]

If you get hit by samus' upB, you can't rest her, even if you SDI out.
Chasing her free falling isn't that easy, if she knows what she's doing.

 

[Krynxe]

^ This

I'd normally go for a safer punish

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

make sure you sh when you follow her, not just running. If i can slow walk to usmash with fox, you should be able to follow with rest.

 

[Mahone]

... except upsmash has infinite range compared to rest

 

[Massive]

... except upsmash has infinite range compared to rest

Seriously, there is no comparison.

Fox's usmash has a long-lasting, huge hitbox.

Rest is a tiny *** hitbox, and samus' hurtboxes are jank-tacular after an up-b.

 

[Smasher89]

Umm what? Samus can actually attack up really well, and puff has a ****ty time defending low.

Uh what?, you mean that samus has a way to approach a top platform camping puff that´s main strategy is going for timeout?

 

[Massive]

Uh what?, you mean that samus has a way to approach a top platform camping puff that´s main strategy is going for timeout?

I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but timing out matches as a strategy is a great way to get everyone you've ever met to never want to play/talk to you again.

 

[knightpraetor]

yeah don't think you can just follow it

but you can proably move to where you think the samus is falling preemptively and rest if they went there and just take a bair/fair if they didn't. but there's no way I can see the jiggs getting it very often except if the samus is up b ing on FD...just with aerial DI alone they should be able to make you miss at least half the time or more, and wtith platforms it will get to be less, and if they start edgecanceling it I would imagine getting it would be pretty unlikely.

 

[FoxLisk]

... except upsmash has infinite range compared to rest

Welcome back!

 

[boomrested]

Going to a tournament tomorrow, gonna get some stuff recorded. I'll post it here, would anybody be up for critiquing it?

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

Pull off dair rollout tomorrow on a recording setup and you'll be my hero

 

[King5280]

if theres a recording setup at the tourney tomorrow i'm gonna try to get some matches on it too.

 

[Tekk]

omgMahoneisbackomgomgomg

boomrested: I'd be glad to

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Uh what?, you mean that samus has a way to approach a top platform camping puff that´s main strategy is going for timeout?

Uhh yeah, i think that samus does in fact have a way to stop puff from standing on the top platform until timeout

 

[Mahone]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14273958&postcount=9846

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

gj sir

 

[Metà]

it's really, really hard to rest samus out of her up-b. they always have lots of options once they get out, like ledge-cancelling, grabbing the ledge, falling through platforms, etc. The earlier you SDI out, the better your opportunity to punish her.

oh yeah, and it's a lot easier to get out of her up-b if you're not playing V1.0. In that version, you can't SDI most of the hits.

 

[boomrested]

Unfortunately, I was not able to pull off dair->rollout yesterday at the tournament But I was able to pull off taunt->rest during a teams match. (I'll find the video later) However, I played a Bo5 money match against a Peach (SOLAR) in my area, I'd really appreciate it if someone could critique it.
http://www.twitch.tv/habulous/b/313502615 from 3:12:28 to 3:26:30
Sorry that it's not a nice small YouTube video, the stream was recorded so we just played it on the stream. Thanks in advance.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I did not expect that ballsy rest in game 3. Good work throughout the set. I think one thing you need to work on is mixing up your aerials with grabs. The Peach loved CC'ing your bairs, and then downsmashing (which doesn't seem optimal to me for her to do, but whatever), so just try to mix in empty hop grabs if you start seeing them CC. Grabbing in general is something you need to do more, too, cause that upsets Peach's shield game. Towards the end, you were spacing your bairs around her CC, which is good, too.

This Peach loves downsmash. I feel like you could float around, bait one from her, then rest punish, a little bit more.

Make sure that you're not throwing bairs out to cover space, but rather, to hit her. You baired open air a lot, and then got punished. Focus on being more reactive.

 

[hungrybox]

I like how this guy thinks

 

[hungrybox]

downair to upsmash should be a staple against floaties

especially peach and samus

 

[Krynxe]

dair grabs as well. Peach especially doesn't have many quick options when you're on top of her like that, a lot of really bad peaches will probably mash c-stick down until something happens.

 

[boomrested]

Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely utilize all of it at next tournament. Particularly, I could use comments on my spacing. People kept telling me to work on my spacing, so anything you guys can tell me would be really helpful. Here's another game I played against a falcon, where my spacing flaws might be easier to notice:
http://www.twitch.tv/habulous/b/313502615 From 3:36:30 to 3:46:15

And if you want to see a taunt to rest: Go to 4:11:35 and watch the magic.

 

[Republican0fHeaven]

hahahaha you totally read him on that taunt rest

 

[-LzR-]

downair to upsmash should be a staple against floaties

especially peach and samus

I've been trying to do that but Puffs dair must be like the single most hardest move in the game to L-cancel.

Anyways, is there frame data somewhere telling how many frames advantage you have after successfully dairing your opponent?

 

[Mahone]

gj sir

oh boy, here it comes...

calm down guys, im still human like the rest of you...

just like a little better

 

[idea]

I still have to add you (and other people) on skype and ask you what the big deal was at some point

after essays though...by april 9th I am done with university :D

(same reason I haven't watched those videos yet, boomrested)

 

[Tekk]

oh boy, here it comes...

calm down guys, im still human like the rest of you...

just like a little better

s'getting a little serious over here

 

[knightpraetor]

congrats on your win mahone...i keep forgetting who that wenbo guy is, but khorn was pretty good last time i checked...did you go all jiggs?

 

[Metà]

I still have to add you (and other people) on skype and ask you what the big deal was at some point

after essays though...by april 9th I am done with university :D

(same reason I haven't watched those videos yet, boomrested)

all puff skype chat

this has to happen

 

[Krynxe]

all puff skype chat

this has to happen

What an awesome idea

Somewhere to spam

No but seriously, I just did it. Mahone, Tekk, Meta and I so far. More puffs need to get on this skype train.

Add me: Krynxe

I'll invite to the group

 

[ShroudedOne]

Ooh. Me, me, me. Even though I don't main Puff.

 

[Strong Badam]

I've been trying to do that but Puffs dair must be like the single most hardest move in the game to L-cancel.

Anyways, is there frame data somewhere telling how many frames advantage you have after successfully dairing your opponent?

i never thought i'd see the day when a goddamn jigglypuff player would complain about something being technically difficult about their character.

frame advantage depends on who you're fighting. weight and all that.

 

[-LzR-]

Yes, I have problems with technical stuff with Puff and I am bad.
Also considering actually using Skype if there is a Puff group there.

 

[boomrested]

I'll get onboard with this skype thing if it's actually gonna happen. I'd have to make an account first, but still...

 

[boomrested]

...whoops double post

 

[Mahone]

congrats on your win mahone...i keep forgetting who that wenbo guy is, but khorn was pretty good last time i checked...did you go all jiggs?

Naw, i went all falco except 1 game in gf i went puff when he cped dreamland

 

[idea]

What an awesome idea

Somewhere to spam

No but seriously, I just did it. Mahone, Tekk, Meta and I so far. More puffs need to get on this skype train.

Add me: Krynxe

I'll invite to the group

yeahh some other time...i've barely started on this essay and it was technically due last night at midnight.

 

[knightpraetor]

lololol they all lost to your falco......not your fox? man nova is getting too free when you can beat them with your tertiary

 

[Mahone]

naw, i was trying really hard for no apparent reason hahahaha